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Senor Hortler

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They're putting in a black Jesus for the wrong goddamn reasons. Just... fucking hell.
The motherfucking wasn't black! He was born in Bethlehem! The motherfucker is 100 miles closer to fucking Athens than he would have been to even the start of the Sahara let alone the fucking Sub-Saharan blacks! There is no reason to include a black Jesus in church unless you're in fucking Africa! (Or black church in America).
 

CarlManvers2019

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The motherfucking wasn't black! He was born in Bethlehem! The motherfucker is 100 miles closer to fucking Athens than he would have been to even the start of the Sahara let alone the fucking Sub-Saharan blacks! There is no reason to include a black Jesus in church unless you're in fucking Africa! (Or black church in America).

I expect a Black Mohammed soon, oh wait, I think they actually “respect” Muslims
 

Bear Ribs

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Jesus was very much in favor of private charity.

That said if they want a black person in church murals it seems to be that they should logically make a mural of the Ethiopian Phillip was ordered to preach to and baptize: a canonical black person dear to Jesus' heart given several miracles had to happen to reach him.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Jesus was very much in favor of private charity.

That said if they want a black person in church murals it seems to be that they should logically make a mural of the Ethiopian Phillip was ordered to preach to and baptize: a canonical black person dear to Jesus' heart given several miracles had to happen to reach him.

Do they even know that much regarding history to begin with to know him? Let alone the bible itself?
 

Terthna

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Jesus was a Jew.
Unfortunately, with the Jews betraying Jesus being so integral to his story, that runs into issues of cognitive dissonance for many Christians who never bought into the whole "don't treat other people like crap" part of their religious doctrine, and treat Christianity more like a tribe than a belief structure. After all, how dare you insinuate that Jesus himself was one of the hated, treacherous Jews? No, he has to be of some other ethnicity; else how could they justify persecuting them?
 

CarlManvers2019

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Unfortunately, with the Jews betraying Jesus being so integral to his story, that runs into issues of cognitive dissonance for many Christians who never bought into the whole "don't treat other people like crap" part of their religious doctrine, and treat Christianity more like a tribe than a belief structure. After all, how dare you insinuate that Jesus himself was one of the hated, treacherous Jews? No, he has to be of some other ethnicity; else how could they justify persecuting them?

That and demands for Jews to convert to Christianity

And by then, they probably wouldn’t be able or allowed to keep their own cultural practices and aesthetics which mark them as being different from the rest, I mean they’ve really interbred with many other surrounding peoples so only way you’d know someone was Jewish is with aesthetics and practices

Kinda ironic, if Yahweh’s the only God, well then these guys have been worshipping him for far longer than almost everybody’s ancestors. Also, I think even in the Old Testament, it was mainly just those of the blood who worshipped him, everybody else was a pagan who barely or rarely ever converted and by now has severely mutated and adapted and created so many religious practices that were never around before
 

Yinko

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Unfortunately, with the Jews betraying Jesus being so integral to his story, that runs into issues of cognitive dissonance for many Christians who never bought into the whole "don't treat other people like crap" part of their religious doctrine, and treat Christianity more like a tribe than a belief structure. After all, how dare you insinuate that Jesus himself was one of the hated, treacherous Jews? No, he has to be of some other ethnicity; else how could they justify persecuting them?
From what I've read, the divide actually goes all the way back to the beginning. The earliest versions of the Church were founded by returnee Greco-Jews and expat Greeks. So there was a very high degree of Greek influence in the early Church which alienated native Jews whom they tried to convert, resulting in a lot of strain both directions, but made the religion very effective at converting Grecophile Romans.
 

Terthna

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Its the priests, not the Jews, that betrayed Jesus.
True; but sadly in many people's minds, then as now, the actions of individuals reflect on their tribe for those outside of it. Any crime one Jew commits, in the minds of those who wish to despise them, all Jews are guilty of.
 

Duke Nukem

Hail to the king baby
True; but sadly in many people's minds, then as now, the actions of individuals reflect on their tribe for those outside of it. Any crime one Jew commits, in the minds of those who wish to despise them, all Jews are guilty of.
People have blamed jews for everything for centuries.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Its the priests, not the Jews, that betrayed Jesus.

I think it was the Jews under the Priests, whom people forget, were important figures in their society

Sure Jesus maybe the messiah, but as far as they know, he might not be and the authorities they already knew are guys they follow
 

AnimalNoodles

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They're putting in a black Jesus for the wrong goddamn reasons. Just... fucking hell.

My problem is that it is unoriginal and hideous. Its painted by a crazy white chick.

There are many fine depictions of black Jesus in Africa, esp in the Ethiopian church that they could have used, but this choice was deliberate.

This is a fine depiction of Jesus in an African style


I would have no problems with this.

It brings to mind 2 things.

Firstly, as always social justice doesnt create, it can only subvert, ruin and destroy. The painting in question is a perfect example of that. It isnt a new creation, just a deliberate perversion of the original.

Second Blackness is manifested strictly in terms of Taking From Whites. The original picture is 'blacker' than the Ethiopian one because it takes something from whites. Even though the Ethiopian picture is a genuine icon from an actual African church, its a unique creation entirely unconnected to whites, so therefore it lacks 'blackness'.

Finally id like to point out that the levant is a genetic blender. There is a group of people in the levant that has been there for thousands of years, has never mixed, has never left. They are closest to the face of the israelites of the time. They are the Samaritans.

They look like this.

 
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