The Americas 🇧🇷 Federative Republic of Brazil Discussion Megathread

[Sobek]

The alliance between Lula and Alckmin is really, REALLY souring people towards them

 

[Cherico]

Not Brazilian this outside my wheelhouse

 

[gral]

@gral @Cherico I see that Bolsonaro is aggressively gaining in the polls lately.

I think that the polls are correcting themselves to get closer to reality instead.

EDIT: Also, yes, Lula/Alckmin is a bit too much for some people to swallow. I still think there's a big possibility that Lula will not run, and is doing this to raise the price of his support, anyway.

 

[49ersfootball]

I think that the polls are correcting themselves to get closer to reality instead.

Explains why Lula is getting nervous & desperate on the campaign trail. This explains from the very get-go why I was doubling-down on Bolsonaro getting reelected.

 

[gral]

Explains why Lula is getting nervous & desperate on the campaign trail. This explains from the very get-go why I was doubling-down on Bolsonaro getting reelected.

Lula and his supporters have been getting more hysterical since late February. They know what is going on.

Mind you, Bolsonaro won't get as many votes as he did last time, but should he run(small probability of him not doing so), he is favorite to win the election.

 

[49ersfootball]

1985: Inauguration of Jose Sarney as Brazil's 31st President:

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[49ersfootball]

March 15th, 1990: Inauguration of Fernando Collor de Mello as Brazil's 32nd President:

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[49ersfootball]

May 5th, 1994: Funeral services of Brazilian racing driver Ayrton Senna at the Legislative Assembly Building in Ibirapuera Park in Sao Paulo, Brazil:

@gral @Cherico @The Immortal Watch Dog @The Whispering Monk @stevep @WolfBear @Captain X @DarthOne @TheRomanSlayer @Buba @Tiamat

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[Buba]

He killed himself and was buried almost 30 years ago.
So ... ?

 

[49ersfootball]

He killed himself and was buried almost 30 years ago.
So ... ?

DUMBASS: here's the link with the information
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

They kept the guy alive despite brain death until he arrived at the hospital to avoid having the race suspended pending a criminal investigation.

 

[49ersfootball]

They kept the guy alive despite brain death until he arrived at the hospital to avoid having the race suspended pending a criminal investigation.

If I recall ESPN did a special documentary on Senna's life story several years ago & showed highlights of the race which showed his fatal crash on live TV.

 

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[Sobek]

Brasil is sliding into some complete shithole territory. There is a very high chance of either electoral fraud or complete sheep voting for the socialist criminal back into power now. We have started seeing political murders and attempted murders, but because the media is mostly pro-crime and especially looking to get back it's status and political power they are gonna try and ignore leftist doom posting and calls for violence and overplay right wing ones. And, of course, they will attack the right far more because the murder they did had a gun, which pushes their argument of keeping the entire population unarmed "for security".

Lula congratulates and thanks man who "saved him" and "went to jail for doing so" by pushing a guy under a truck



And this one happened this weekend, PT campaign finance dude killed by Bolsonaro supporter

Guarda Municipal que era tesoureiro do PT é morto a tiros por apoiador de Bolsonaro na própria festa de aniversário, em Foz do Iguaçu

Boletim de ocorrência cita que autor dos disparos era policial penal federal e chegou no local gritando "Aqui é Bolsonaro!". Secretário de Segurança Pública fala em 'intolerância política'.

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The biggest problem is that people are extremely emotional, and very much sheep when it comes to this sort of shit. I have seen a deluge of YouTube comments already on the news of people going "OMG we need to remove Bolsonaro! Bolsonarism kills!" The entire argument is a appeal to emotion, we had one murder so we need to give up completely and just get the criminal back.

I have a very, VERY low ammount of faith. There is of course a big chance that people will ignore it and just vote Bolsonaro back in, especially if it goes to a 2nd round. But it's still bad enough that I am gonna make plans to leave.

 

[gral]

You think it's bad? It will become a lot worse. And Bolsonaro will at best(I don't think he will) slow down the slide. But things will get worse. I have some plans; what remains to see is whether things will go to shitter before I'm able to act on these plans or not.

As for the death of the guy, I think it's rather... convenient for a regional party treasurer die at the hands of someone of the rival party. Entirely possible, mind you, but too convenient.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Brasil is sliding into some complete shithole territory. There is a very high chance of either electoral fraud or complete sheep voting for the socialist criminal back into power now. We have started seeing political murders and attempted murders, but because the media is mostly pro-crime and especially looking to get back it's status and political power they are gonna try and ignore leftist doom posting and calls for violence and overplay right wing ones. And, of course, they will attack the right far more because the murder they did had a gun, which pushes their argument of keeping the entire population unarmed "for security".

Lula congratulates and thanks man who "saved him" and "went to jail for doing so" by pushing a guy under a truck



And this one happened this weekend, PT campaign finance dude killed by Bolsonaro supporter

Guarda Municipal que era tesoureiro do PT é morto a tiros por apoiador de Bolsonaro na própria festa de aniversário, em Foz do Iguaçu

Boletim de ocorrência cita que autor dos disparos era policial penal federal e chegou no local gritando "Aqui é Bolsonaro!". Secretário de Segurança Pública fala em 'intolerância política'.

g1.globo.com

The biggest problem is that people are extremely emotional, and very much sheep when it comes to this sort of shit. I have seen a deluge of YouTube comments already on the news of people going "OMG we need to remove Bolsonaro! Bolsonarism kills!" The entire argument is a appeal to emotion, we had one murder so we need to give up completely and just get the criminal back.

I have a very, VERY low ammount of faith. There is of course a big chance that people will ignore it and just vote Bolsonaro back in, especially if it goes to a 2nd round. But it's still bad enough that I am gonna make plans to leave.

That bad?

 

[Sobek]

Yes that bad. South America is full of other commie governments, who are having a lot of issues. It would take literally no time at all for Lula's Brazil to come out and just support Argentina and Venezuela with subsides and hold them onto power while they destroy the country in the name of Socialism, sliding the entire continent into the black hole of communism.

Lula is really just a face being used to draw suckers in by playing voters into "nostalgia" for "better times" by pretending the good economic state of 2002-2010 Brazil was his doing and that he will magically do it again. Lula's campaign speeches are literally the exact same ones from when he ran in 2002, to the point where some stuff he keeps talking about is downright absurd (He loves to talk about hunger in Brazil, which is not a issue anymore like it was when he first ran and ironically one of the few things he could be said to have done well in ending, but he speaks as if he never got power and it is still the exact same)

The problem is that the Brazilian Uniparty (Centrão) is extremely technocratic minded, and very much still monarchical in their thinking. They openly act like they are nobility, they obviously carry themselves like nobility, and the government is absolutely determined that they should be a centralized state and get it's grubby little hands on everything. They are convinced the solution is more government control, and plenty of people in Brazil are actually delusional enough to think it could work if they "just have the right people". They don't understand the point of privatizations, or the idea that the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the demands of the expanding bureaucracy. Shit is like a bucket of crabs.

I am really, unironically planning to leave the country if Lula wins. Even Civil War USA would be better, because at least I would be allowed to forge my own life.

 

[gral]

Yes that bad. South America is full of other commie governments, who are having a lot of issues. It would take literally no time at all for Lula's Brazil to come out and just support Argentina and Venezuela with subsides and hold them onto power while they destroy the country in the name of Socialism, sliding the entire continent into the black hole of communism.

Lula is really just a face being used to draw suckers in by playing voters into "nostalgia" for "better times" by pretending the good economic state of 2002-2010 Brazil was his doing and that he will magically do it again. Lula's campaign speeches are literally the exact same ones from when he ran in 2002, to the point where some stuff he keeps talking about is downright absurd (He loves to talk about hunger in Brazil, which is not a issue anymore like it was when he first ran and ironically one of the few things he could be said to have done well in ending, but he speaks as if he never got power and it is still the exact same)

The problem is that the Brazilian Uniparty (Centrão) is extremely technocratic minded, and very much still monarchical in their thinking. They openly act like they are nobility, they obviously carry themselves like nobility, and the government is absolutely determined that they should be a centralized state and get it's grubby little hands on everything. They are convinced the solution is more government control, and plenty of people in Brazil are actually delusional enough to think it could work if they "just have the right people". They don't understand the point of privatizations, or the idea that the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the demands of the expanding bureaucracy. Shit is like a bucket of crabs.

I am really, unironically planning to leave the country if Lula wins. Even Civil War USA would be better, because at least I would be allowed to forge my own life.

I mostly agree with what you say, the only thing I disagree is that you imply the above won't happen with Bolsonaro winning reelection. It will(just slower), because the guys that support him are from a different faction of Centrão, and the only difference between factions is who gets the gibs.

 

[Sobek]

That's true. Bolsonaro is surrounded by many sycophants and Centrão people who, unlike the big wigs, are willing to get a smaller slice of the pie.