Everything I Warned People About on SpaceBattles is Coming True

Simonbob

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Oh i know. But these are politicians, not the people who do this shit with own money. They can grift easily and waste other people's money at not a loss, but a gain, but they are always potentially only one election away from being unceremoniously replaced.

Everybody misses that politicians, elected folk, aren't nearly as powerful as people think, these days. The Swamp? That has some elected folk, but the majority of the power now is in the hands of bureaucrats and bigger companies.

That's where the money is. That's where the ability to avoid the complex (and insane) regulations that hold little guys back.


When President Donald Trump tried to pull all the troops out of the Middle East, the generals lied to his face, and did what they wanted.


Elected politicians only have the power of those who obey. And the bureaucrats often don't.
 

ParadiseLost

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That's the same person, ten years later.

These two-faced bloodsuckers think it's okay to prey on ordinary people, and they do it with a smile and vociferous reassurance that it's for the greater good. Enough is enough. We've suffered enough pay cuts, enough pointless stagnation, enough of overinflated costs of necessities and overinflated housing prices. Our way of life is being crumpled up and thrown in the garbage by self-serving oligarchs and internationalists who we never elected and never permitted to do any of this.

Economists today are largely just corporate and special interest group propagandists.

Economics is dead.
 

Bassoe

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Further to the idea that AI will be used to justify a digital ID...

There’s not much Skynet could possibly do to drive news credibility any lower than human reporters already did after such hits as:
  • "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."
  • "Anyone who loses their job because of the new trade deal we just made will be retrained and get a better one."
  • "We're not spying on our own citizens."
  • "We'll be welcomed as liberators."
  • "But this group of insurgents are Moderate Freedom Fighters™, not bloodthirsty jihadist terrorists."
  • "Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and had no accomplices."
 

*THASF*

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What did I say on SB, like, a decade ago? I said cities will be laid out in repeating tessellated grid units with residences in the center and all services within walking distance. Telecommuting and paperless office tech would eventually lead to "office-less corporations" where people just step right out of bed and into their computer chair and they're at work, which, in turn, would lead to cities being redeveloped as "residential-centric" and eliminate office buildings entirely. Since the commute would no longer exist, the services that facilitate that commute (gas stations, laundromats, etc.) would disappear and be replaced with services that exclusively facilitate occasionally straying from a central residential hub for diversion and socialization. For the sake of "logistical efficiency", everything would be tracked with IoT, from end to end, including the people.

Now, they're actually doing it.
 

Marduk

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What did I say on SB, like, a decade ago? I said cities will be laid out in repeating tessellated grid units with residences in the center and all services within walking distance. Telecommuting and paperless office tech would eventually lead to "office-less corporations" where people just step right out of bed and into their computer chair and they're at work, which, in turn, would lead to cities being redeveloped as "residential-centric" and eliminate office buildings entirely. Since the commute would no longer exist, the services that facilitate that commute (gas stations, laundromats, etc.) would disappear and be replaced with services that exclusively facilitate occasionally straying from a central residential hub for diversion and socialization. For the sake of "logistical efficiency", everything would be tracked with IoT, from end to end, including the people.

Now, they're actually doing it.

But if the corporation doesn't need an office, why the fuck would its workers even live in a city (or even a suburb, which are nothing but a lifehack to avoid some city problems even at the price of a long commute to work in city) with its hyper-expensive real estate and shitty governance by a thousand special interest lobbies, among which are the greens proposing this?
The whole point of living in a city is the job opportunities, and if they are just as accessible from every podunk nowhere with an internet connection...
The knives will *have* to go out in the establishment camp over this.
 
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*THASF*

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But if the corporation doesn't need an office, why the fuck would its workers even live in a city (or even a suburb, which are nothing but a lifehack to avoid some city problems even at the price of a long commute to work in city) with its hyper-expensive real estate and shitty governance by a thousand special interest lobbies, among which are the greens proposing this?
The whole point of living in a city is the job opportunities, and if they are just as accessible from every podunk nowhere with an internet connection...
The knives will *have* to go out in the establishment camp over this.
Charitable Answer: Because rural living means longer supply chains and more hospitals, fire stations, police stations, etc., to cover a very large area, defeating the purpose of clustering people together, which is to shorten the distance to services and from raw material to product to consumer as much as possible.

Uncharitable Answer: So people can be farmed. So they can be fed, and watered, and watched with cameras, like cattle.

I’m going to give you a little scenario. Let’s say you’re a wealthy Western oligarch.

The IPCC are saying that we need to put an end to all fossil fuel use. Yes, that includes diesel fuel for mining vehicles, semi-tractor trailers, farm equipment, and everything else. Zero additional carbon. Not a single drop of additional fuel burned. George Monbiot is saying that we need to put an end to basically all livestock farming, and that GMO monoculture crops are destroying 2000 acres of farmland a day in America due to soil erosion. Kate Raworth is pushing her zero growth, circular economy pipe dream. Jeremy Rifkin is saying that we just need to hold out a little while longer and avoid ecological collapse, and we'll have some sort of communitarian techno-utopia where goods and ideas just magically produce themselves, or something.

The puppet politicians you've put into power are panicking, because a whole generation of workers is about to retire, creating a massive brain drain as legions of barely sentient, mouth-breathing TikTokers take their place, while also putting additional strain on a completely bankrupt social security system that already gave away its entire budget to you. China and Russia are champing at the bit to start World War III, fracturing supply chains and cutting you off from cheap labor, plastic baubles, and microchips. Also, at the same time, AI automation is promising to make millions of people suddenly, irreversibly jobless.

You're faced with the unenviable position of having to ease the world's population into a zero-growth, economically stagnant hell, where their bread and circuses are sharply curtailed, their pensions are canceled, and they're forced to rent everything they need to live from you.

Given these conditions, how do you prevent people from:

A. Fleeing into the countryside and becoming a few billion subsistence farmers burning biomass for heat and producing India-level pollution and runoff? (Note: Realistically, this does not happen, since very few people actually have the knowledge, initiative, or willpower to do this, so you get mass looting instead)
B. Voting for populist candidates who promise to make us more dependent on fossil fuels and industrial capitalism, not less?
C. Dragging out the guillotines and cutting your head off?
D. All of the Above?
 
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Marduk

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Charitable Answer: Because rural living means longer supply chains and more hospitals, fire stations, police stations, etc., to cover a very large area, defeating the purpose of clustering people together, which is to shorten the distance to services and from raw material to product to consumer as much as possible.

Uncharitable Answer: So people can be farmed. So they can be fed, and watered, and watched with cameras, like cattle.
Yet again, why would the people in question go along with those "benefits" while those economics push them personally in the other direction?
Cities in large part create the very reasons why they need so much of these services while also making them more expensive (see: crime, drugs, crazies), raw materials are rarely in cities to begin with, and the modern city runners of all people hate having factories nearby anyway.

This is going to be an elite version of prison fight where the "remoteable" service based corporations want to save big money by getting rid of offices while the real estate funds and cities want to stop them because that will fucking murder their budgets so hard that even stopping doing all the stupid shit and grifts won't save them.

And that's only half of the problem. Say hi to e-outsourcing. Once you have the job set up for full remote work, why even pay an American to do this stuff when you can have some teenager in Bangalore, India do it for ya on his cheap gaming computer and consider half the US minimum salary making out like a bandit?
I’m going to give you a little scenario. Let’s say you’re a wealthy Western oligarch.

The IPCC are saying that we need to put an end to all fossil fuel use. Yes, that includes diesel fuel for mining vehicles, semi-tractor trailers, farm equipment, and everything else. Zero additional carbon. Not a single drop of additional fuel burned. George Monbiot is saying that we need to put an end to basically all livestock farming, and that GMO monoculture crops are destroying 2000 acres of farmland a day in America due to soil erosion. Kate Raworth is pushing her zero growth, circular economy pipe dream. Jeremy Rifkin is saying that we just need to hold out a little while longer and avoid ecological collapse, and we'll have some sort of communitarian techno-utopia where goods and ideas just magically produce themselves, or something.

The puppet politicians you've put into power are panicking, because a whole generation of workers is about to retire, creating a massive brain drain as legions of barely sentient, mouth-breathing TikTokers take their place, while also putting additional strain on a completely bankrupt social security system that already gave away its entire budget to you. China and Russia are champing at the bit to start World War III, fracturing supply chains and cutting you off from cheap labor, plastic baubles, and microchips. Also, at the same time, AI automation is promising to make millions of people suddenly, irreversibly jobless.

You're faced with the unenviable position of having to ease the world's population into a zero-growth, economically stagnant hell, where their bread and circuses are sharply curtailed, their pensions are canceled, and they're forced to rent everything they need to live from you.

Given these conditions, how do you prevent people from:

A. Fleeing into the countryside and becoming a few billion subsistence farmers burning biomass for heat and producing India-level pollution and runoff?
B. Voting for populist candidates who promise to make us more dependent on fossil fuels and industrial capitalism, not less?
C. Dragging out the guillotines and cutting your head off?
D. All of the Above?
>world population
Here's their problem. Some of the world population already *is* India and Africa and doing that, some of the world doesn't care what IPCC thinks, some of the world don't care what western oligarchs think (got their own), any oligarchs are a short way from going "hey, i don't need to save the world after all, they just need to make a deal with a somewhat functional country anywhere". For all the virtue signalling to true believer globalists and their useful idiots (i'm not even sure how many layers of useful idiocy are involved there), i'm pretty sure that even many of the western oligarchs have plenty of thoughts about what is the right moment to ask "who's we?" and stop concerning themselves with "fixing the world" for a moment.

The carbon obsession is something driven by very loud idiot zealots and scammers with private jets using the power of the former for obvious purposes, while the rest of the world doesn't care and it shows.
Does anyone expect the local politicians to try push the draconian green policies this far in India or China? Does anyone expect the western politicians and oligarchs to even think of how to explain to their voters why they can't have cars (and i don't mean silly laws to ban them in 2030 or 2040 but when the time actually arrives) while China can and what difference does it make "for the planet"?
If politics get too hot, the latter will suddenly disappear, and the former will either do the same or spectacularly fall on their swords.

The politicians voting for those "promise laws" don't even know if their party will be a major one in 2030 and if it will exist at all in 2040, they are just exploiting a very stupid and gullible section of the voter base for now.
 
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