Alternate History Empire of Brazil does not end with Pedro II

[WolfBear]

I wouldn't say she was a positive example of a female ruler...

I don't think the reason they didn't like Isabel and Gaston was solely because they were a woman and a Frenchman respectively(it didn't help, of course). They(especially Gaston) seemed to be disliked on their own merits, although I haven't seen much about it that would give me a better read of both personalities - D.Isabel was said to be an Ultramontane Catholic, something that was bound to clash with every Freemason out there(one of which was her father), not to mention with Brazilian policy regarding Catholicism(Church Edicts, including Papal ones, could only be enacted in Brazil by authorization of the Emperor), but that's the only thing I know.

Whenever I hear "Masons!", I think of conspiracy theories, to be honest.

 

[gral]

Whenever I hear "Masons!", I think of conspiracy theories, to be honest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Question Not quite, at least not in regards to the Empire.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

I wouldn't say she was a positive example of a female ruler...

I don't think the reason they didn't like Isabel and Gaston was solely because they were a woman and a Frenchman respectively(it didn't help, of course). They(especially Gaston) seemed to be disliked on their own merits, although I haven't seen much about it that would give me a better read of both personalities - D.Isabel was said to be an Ultramontane Catholic, something that was bound to clash with every Freemason out there(one of which was her father), not to mention with Brazilian policy regarding Catholicism(Church Edicts, including Papal ones, could only be enacted in Brazil by authorization of the Emperor), but that's the only thing I know.

Oh my 😕

 

[ATP]

I wouldn't say she was a positive example of a female ruler...

I don't think the reason they didn't like Isabel and Gaston was solely because they were a woman and a Frenchman respectively(it didn't help, of course). They(especially Gaston) seemed to be disliked on their own merits, although I haven't seen much about it that would give me a better read of both personalities - D.Isabel was said to be an Ultramontane Catholic, something that was bound to clash with every Freemason out there(one of which was her father), not to mention with Brazilian policy regarding Catholicism(Church Edicts, including Papal ones, could only be enacted in Brazil by authorization of the Emperor), but that's the only thing I know.

Then she was good thing for Brasil,becouse masons could serve Luciper or not,but they certainly serve USA or England.Removing them would be removing enemy agents.
P.S @WolfBear ,masons are part of our conspiracy reality.They started 1789 revolution/and last control over it later/,ruled Mexico after 1865,and Kierensky do not made peace in 1917,becouse he was mason and his french oberlords forbid him.

 

[gral]

Then she was good thing for Brasil,becouse masons could serve Luciper or not,but they certainly serve USA or England.Removing them would be removing enemy agents.

Looking back at my post, I seem to have misled people - I didn't mean I thought D.Isabel wasn't a positive example of a female ruler, I was referring to Dilma Rousseff, which was the first(and only one so far) Brazilian female president.

As for D.Isabel, we'll never know whether she would be a good ruler or not. She ruled in stead of her father three times(when he traveled abroad), and seemed to be a competent administrator, but being a ruler is more than that.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Then she was good thing for Brasil,becouse masons could serve Luciper or not,but they certainly serve USA or England.Removing them would be removing enemy agents.
P.S @WolfBear ,masons are part of our conspiracy reality.They started 1789 revolution/and last control over it later/,ruled Mexico after 1865,and Kierensky do not made peace in 1917,becouse he was mason and his french oberlords forbid him.

Translation: Isabel was not well liked 🤔

 

[ATP]

Translation: Isabel was not well liked 🤔

By masons - who was working for other countries,like USA.If masons do not like X,then he/she is probably good.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

By masons - who was working for other countries,like USA.If masons do not like X,then he/she is probably good.

Intriguing to see if this becomes a juicy timeline 🤔

 

[lordhen]

The coup that overthrew Pedro II was a curious affair, emperor was very popular and had strong support, but with no heir he accepted that the empire will end and thus opened himself to the overthrow in his final years.

That is something that always has fascinated me, seeing Pedro II of Brazil being succeeded by his son Afonso, Prince Imperial of Brazil who sadly died at age 3 in 1847, had Afonso lived then Pedro would feel more strength in preventing the coup from ever happening ore it even it not happening at all.

 

[Buba]

One of my wet dreams for Alt-Hist is the Empire surviving due to Dona Isabel going down in history as "A fuziladora".
Difficult to render in English - Madam Firing Squad, perhaps?

 

[gral]

Difficult to render in English - Madam Firing Squad, perhaps?

'The Executioner'*. But Madam Firing Squad conveys the meaning perfectly.

*By firing squad - Portuguese verb "fuzilar" = 'to execute by firing squad', ultimately comes from the noun "fuzil"('rifle').

Big problem with that was the one that should have acted was her father, which is why I think that, in the end, he was unsuited for the throne. A ruler should have some will to power, even if driven only for the fact that if he lets his enemies do as they will, they won't reciprocate the courtesy, and undo all that he did and stood for(just as the Republicans did - that's how well 'Should the Brazilians not want me as Emperor, I shall become a schoolteacher' worked out for D.Pedro II).

That is something that always has fascinated me, seeing Pedro II of Brazil being succeeded by his son Afonso, Prince Imperial of Brazil who sadly died at age 3 in 1847, had Afonso lived then Pedro would feel more strength in preventing the coup from ever happening ore it even it not happening at all.

It could be what puts steel in his spine, either of his sons(Princes Afonso Pedro and Pedro Afonso - originality wasn't a sin the Emperor had, apparently) surviving.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

@PsihoKekec Keep up the good work with this timeline

 

[filipina84]

The coup that overthrew Pedro II was a curious affair, emperor was very popular and had strong support, but with no heir he accepted that the empire will end and thus opened himself to the overthrow in his final years.

But what if his second son had not fallen ill and died as a child, but grew into adulthood, with children of his own, thus securing the existence of the dynasty (through male line). If coup happened in 19th century it would certainly be squashed easily, but from then on much would depend of how well (or bad) is successors would rule. Nonetheless, Brazil would certainly benefit from a few more decades of political stability, however as history teaches us, decades of hard work can be negated in a few short years or even months if one tries really hard.

Following this thread quite closely with intriguing interest.