Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[Rocinante]

So outright commies decide the president and rinos the vice? Violence is the only answer if it gets to that point tbh. I don't wish or encourage it, but this is crossing the line in a free society. I know im not the only one here who expects (maybe hopes?)a bunch of dc sniper style attacks on leftists if they try and steal the election in such a blatant manner?

Wouldn't surprise me if it lead to civil war. Hell I'd probably be ready to fight if they pulled a "coup" in this matter.

It's technically legal, but definitely all bad if they go that route.

Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, and modified by the 12th Amendment in 1804.

Outlines a contingent election.

It's only happened like 3 or 4 times and it was all in the 1800s

 

[Sir 1000]

Wouldn't surprise me if it lead to civil war. Hell I'd probably be ready to fight if they pulled a "coup" in this matter.

It's technically legal, but definitely all bad if they go that route.

Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, and modified by the 12th Amendment in 1804.

Outlines a contingent election.

It's only happened like 3 or 4 times and it was all in the 1800s

I don't want anything like this to happen. Do the left think the right will just lay down and accept this? Even they can not be so insane? You know, thinking about the state of things. Trump is really the last chance for things to end peacefully. If these people get into power again it's over. They will bribe,import and disenfranchise until only leftwing globalism and principled loser rinos are the only choices we have. Where as if the right wins the only thing that will happen is luxury gay space communism is delayed for a bit maybe.

 

[Rocinante]

I don't want anything like this to happen. Do the left think the right will just lay down and accept this? Even they can not be so insane? You know, thinking about the state of things. Trump is really the last chance for things to end peacefully. If these people get into power again it's over. They will bribe,import and disenfranchise until only leftwing globalism and principled loser rinos are the only choices we have. Where as if the right wins the only thing that will happen is luxury gay space communism is delayed for a bit maybe.

Trump has to win 2020 to preserve the future of our nation.

Even then it might still get ugly as radical leftists lash out. Them Lashing out and rioting is still better than handing them all the power though.

 

[MelancholicMechanicus]

I don't want anything like this to happen. Do the left think the right will just lay down and accept this? Even they can not be so insane? You know, thinking about the state of things. Trump is really the last chance for things to end peacefully. If these people get into power again it's over. They will bribe,import and disenfranchise until only leftwing globalism and principled loser rinos are the only choices we have. Where as if the right wins the only thing that will happen is luxury gay space communism is delayed for a bit maybe.

You gotta understand these are not 2 sides of the same coin exactly. This isn't like chess or a regulat war between nation states. The Left and the Right have fundamentally different ideas and M.O.'s on how to do stuff. The right is at the moment unwilling to engage in violence. If it comes to a Civil War sure they will fight but the thing is the lefties have the P.R. in the bag. They have lawyers, judges, reporters, actors, propagandists and marketers ready to spin the story and cover for them. The right mostly wants to play fair, the left doesn't.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

The right mostly wants to play fair, the left doesn't.

That's the thing right there. Honor and Fair Play, that kind of thing is a two-way street. If your enemy dismisses these, then they have no rights to complain when they lose and get the exact same treatment they intend to push on us. We'd do well to remember that. They don't respect kindness, only naked crushing overwhelming violence.

 

[Sir 1000]

You gotta understand these are not 2 sides of the same coin exactly. This isn't like chess or a regulat war between nation states. The Left and the Right have fundamentally different ideas and M.O.'s on how to do stuff. The right is at the moment unwilling to engage in violence. If it comes to a Civil War sure they will fight but the thing is the lefties have the P.R. in the bag. They have lawyers, judges, reporters, actors, propagandists and marketers ready to spin the story and cover for them. The right mostly wants to play fair, the left doesn't.

Of all the things i dislike and abhor about the ''right'' it's this naive sense of fairplay many conservatives seem to hold. As if politics is a friendly ball game where the rules are enforced equally and ''cheaters'' are punished. You don't have to tell me about pr, i know already pr and ''optics'' are decided by the larger media presence which like many battles the right can hardly be assed to show up.

 

[MelancholicMechanicus]

Of all the things i dislike and abhor about the ''right'' it's this naive sense of fairplay many conservatives seem to hold. As if politics is a friendly ball game where the rules are enforced equally and ''cheaters'' are punished. You don't have to tell me about pr, i know already pr and ''optics'' are decided by the larger media presence which like many battles the right can hardly be assed to show up.

It wasn't always like this. It used to be both Right and Left would play by the rules while the radicals on both sides would ignore them. But after years of propaganda and marketing the left has convinced the world that far-left terrorism is a near non-existant thing while far-right terrorism is a constant threat. This is more a thing in the USA where indeed the far-right had more place in culture as extremism after the 80's, with the OKC Bombing being the real high point. But for the last 20 or so years all the far-left terror has been pretty much whitewashed out of history classes and public discourse.

No one remembers Weather Underground, Red Army Faction, Black Liberation Army, Red Brigades, Japanese Red Army and so on. They have been scrubbed from history on the public mind.

 

[Sir 1000]

It wasn't always like this. It used to be both Right and Left would play by the rules while the radicals on both sides would ignore them. But after years of propaganda and marketing the left has convinced the world that far-left terrorism is a near non-existant thing while far-right terrorism is a constant threat. This is more a thing in the USA where indeed the far-right had more place in culture as extremism after the 80's, with the OKC Bombing being the real high point. But for the last 20 or so years all the far-left terror has been pretty much whitewashed out of history classes and public discourse.

No one remembers Weather Underground, Red Army Faction, Black Liberation Army, Red Brigades, Japanese Red Army and so on. They have been scrubbed from history on the public mind.

This is the consequences coming due from losing control of education and most of the media unfortunately. Sad thing is i don't believe the right has learned from this. How many supposedly right wing schools actually ''indoctrinate'' right wing ideas for instance? Far too many teach diet liberalism at best instead of pro western history and ideas.

 

[MelancholicMechanicus]

Pelosi Labels Republicans As ‘Enemies Of The State,’ Says They Are ‘Domestic Enemies Of Our Voting System’

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Republicans a list of names, saying they are "enemies of the state" and more when speaking about election interference.

dailycaller.com

Openly calling the oposition enemies of the state. To be fair the Republicans have done similar, if not in such official way. But you know what Republicans haven't done?



Openly call to refuse to accept the results until they win.

Again, imagine if this was said during the GOP National Convention. It wouldn't be a small footnote being shared by small facebook and youtube groups, it would be national fucking news.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.

 

[Cherico]

Pelosi Labels Republicans As ‘Enemies Of The State,’ Says They Are ‘Domestic Enemies Of Our Voting System’

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Republicans a list of names, saying they are "enemies of the state" and more when speaking about election interference.

dailycaller.com

Openly calling the oposition enemies of the state. To be fair the Republicans have done similar, if not in such official way. But you know what Republicans haven't done?



Openly call to refuse to accept the results until they win.

Again, imagine if this was said during the GOP National Convention. It wouldn't be a small footnote being shared by small facebook and youtube groups, it would be national fucking news.

it wouldn't be the first time the democrats have started a civil war.

 

[Typhonis]

Is it possible to sue Pelosi for defamation of character? Especially as a class action suit? You do not say things like that without hard, inditing evidence.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I'm thinking this is exactly why they're pushing for all these mail in votes, when they know it's not viable. The post office itself has said it isn't able to pull this off.

Hasn't the post office said the exact opposite, that they can handle the extra volume from mail in votes? As far as I've seen, the "the post office can't handle it" line of debate is something the democrats made up in order to push some idiocic conspiracy thoery about vote suppression or something.

Is it possible to sue Pelosi for defamation of character? Especially as a class action suit? You do not say things like that without hard, inditing evidence.

No, it's not possible to sue over this, politicians blatantly make stuff up about their opponents all the time with no fear of legal consequences. This is more vile than the norm, but it's not illegal.

 

[Rocinante]

Hasn't the post office said the exact opposite, that they can handle the extra volume from mail in votes? As far as I've seen, the "the post office can't handle it" line of debate is something the democrats made up in order to push some idiocic conspiracy thoery about vote suppression or something.



No, it's not possible to sue over this, politicians blatantly make stuff up about their opponents all the time with no fear of legal consequences. This is more vile than the norm, but it's not illegal.

I thought that the post office had written some letter that said they couldn't abide by the law of some state, the way they deliver.

I can't really remember details. Let me see if I can find it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

it wouldn't be the first time the democrats have started a civil war.

Unlike the Confederates, I doubt there will be ANY statues of their "heroes" around for even a year, nor will any truly actually fight in a Civil War

They'll run the fuck away as soon as the other side actually starts shooting

 

[Battlegrinder]

Unlike the Confederates, I doubt there will be ANY statues of their "heroes" around for even a year, nor will any truly actually fight in a Civil War

They'll run the fuck away as soon as the other side actually starts shooting

"We'll easily win this, our enemies are a bunch of degenerate cowards that can't possibly withstand our might manly manliness" - a bunch of dead people that lost.

Underestimating the enemy is usually the first step on the road to losing to them. That said, unless the democrats try some kind of completely insane, overt move to seize power (court packing, for example), a civil war is unlikely, what's more probably is an attempt to trigger article V and rebuild the system from the ground up.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

"We'll easily win this, our enemies are a bunch of degenerate cowards that can't possibly withstand our might manly manliness" - a bunch of dead people that lost.

Underestimating the enemy is usually the first step on the road to losing to them. That said, unless the democrats try some kind of completely insane, overt move to seize power (court packing, for example), a civil war is unlikely, what's more probably is an attempt to trigger article V and rebuild the system from the ground up.

Okay, though yeah, I think if they do go through with an actual Civil War

They’ll need Commissars and to recruit and make use of the local gangs than a bunch of college feminists

 

[MelancholicMechanicus]

Unlike the Confederates, I doubt there will be ANY statues of their "heroes" around for even a year, nor will any truly actually fight in a Civil War

They'll run the fuck away as soon as the other side actually starts shooting

That assumes a fair fight. If that was the case, sure.

But wars are rarely fair. To compare the Left to the Right is to compare a snake to a eagle in a way. Vastly different tactics and thought patterns. Sure, the Right is better armed, but they are also way more wary of using their force and when they do they don't have the massive support network of lawyers, reporters, celebrities and sycophants ready to white wash and cover for them.

 

[MelancholicMechanicus]

Left Threatens Violence Over Election Loss - Judicial Watch

American history is no stranger to heated election disputes. In 1824, Adams beat Jackson in a race thrown to the House of Representatives. In 1876, Hayes beat Tilden in a race that ended Reconstruction. In 1888, Harrison lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote, beating Grover Cleveland...

www.judicialwatch.org

Transition Integrity Project Report - Judicial Watch

www.judicialwatch.org

I can't even sumarize this shit. Just read the first few paragraphs of that first link and you can see the insanity.

Today, the end is near. The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) warns of an “alarming” election season marked by “illegal actions,” defiance of the popular vote, “chaos and violence in the streets,” federal seizure of mail-in ballots, “violent action,” and attempts to “bribe and silence associates, declassify sensitive documents,” and pillage the Treasury.

These paranoid polemics are featured in an ostensibly non-partisan report, “Preventing a Disputed Presidential Election and Transition,” circulating widely among the Left as Election Day nears. The villain of this set piece of course is Donald Trump.

The report can be read simply as an occasionally hilarious guide to the Left’s id. After spending many pages trashing the president as a violent racist democracy-stealing criminal and worst-person-ever, TIP states that it “takes no position on how Americans should cast their votes.”

But the document also provides some interesting clues about how the Left would handle a close contest.

TIP said it engaged over 100 participants in a series of electoral war games: four “2020 election crisis scenarios.” The four scenarios: a race too tight to call on election night; a Biden popular vote and Electoral College win by a big margin; a Trump win in the Electoral College but a loss of the popular vote; and a Biden popular and electoral win by a narrow margin.

The results of all four exercises were “alarming,” the report says. President Trump is likely to “contest the result by both legal and extra-legal means, in an attempt to hold onto power.”

 

[Typhonis]

I wonder how big a bitchfest a Trump Regan style landslide will be?