Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I've seen Afghanistan fall I'm prepared to be disappointed.
Business & Finance Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.
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We aren't in the same boat on this.
I am not the one who decided the Maidan made the current gov in Kyiv illegit, and I am not the one who stuck his head in the sand for months about the realities on the ground out of petty spite and stubbornness.
Also, given I am supporting Ukraine getting it's 1991 borders back (and not just to fuck with Russia, but because I do understand how badly Ukrainains have suffered under Moscow's control for nearly a century, hello Holomodor), while you treat Ukrainian sovereignty as if it gets a Russian veto, even if you claim to support the Ukrainian civies Russia is constantly attacking.
And no, wishy-wahy concerns about Zelenski becoming a 'tyrant' if we support him against Moscow's invasion doesn't fly. He is a wartime president making war-time decisions, including having to purge a lot of Russian agents from inside Ukraine's gov, bureaucracy, and chruches (Russian Orthodox church is an extension of the KGB/FSB, and had control over some Ukrainain Orthodox churches as well).
What you do not seem to get, Terthna, is there is no 3rd option here. Either you support Ukraine reclaiming it's 1991 borders and no longer having Russian troops on Ukrainian soil or firing on Ukrainian citizens, or you support Moscow effectively dictating Ukrainians future, once again.
I appreciate this, regardless of the above argument.
Because I do not think you are evil or stupid, just stubborn and unwilling to admit when you've been hoodwink by Russian propaganda, and are letting justified dislike of DC color the righteous aid going to Ukraine to help them reclaim their lands from Russian occupation and rebuild from the damage Russia has inflicted.
And to be fair, Ukraine was not expected to last a week if Russia properly invaded, and people still thought the Russian military was the feared Red Army-type, instead of being a shambles of corruption and poor military training for most of the troops. Time has shown how wrong that assessment of the situation was. I mean Russia is having to hide the use of Iranian drones and Nork arty shells froom it's own people in order to maintain the 'Russia Stronk' propaganda.
You know, I'm done with this 'Ignoring but not really shit' you are pulling, particularly when you start pushing these sorts of lies about me, and then cannot even keep the lie straight for two posts.
And anyone who wants can use the search function and see I never said what you claimed, because I have never used the word 'aborted' before now on this forum.
I mean yes, I've insulted you many a time before I put you on Ignore; I do not ever recall saying you should have been 'aborted' or that I should have been (you couldn't keep the lie straight for even 2 posts, lol). And as a said, the search function will back me up here.
The only reason I'm replying to you now is because I wanted to see who Terthna was replying to when he defended me. Those posts showed that you could not let me go and weren't actually Ignoring me at all as you've claimed, and are now just making shit up to try to attack me.
All while trying to pretend you aren't just upset that you aren't getting Russian tourist dollars and cheap supplies anymore, because your government didn't wean your nation off of the Russian teat in the 8 years since the Maidan happened.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Personally, I don't care about the Ukrainian people to the point I'm willing to risk getting my family getting nuked to save them, From the word go I was saying let them fight among themselves and let the chips fly where they may. Funny enough I still think that America's picking winners and losers in the First World War was what helped enable WW2 in the first place. Sometimes it's best to let people fight their own wars and let God sort out the rest. I know that makes me a heartless *you know what* but I've seen what kind of damage being a "bleeding heart" can do.
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bintananth
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Germany pretty much did everything they could to irritate and goad a very "we want no part of this" US into siding with the Entente.
The offer in the Zimmerman telegram - which the Mexican government was not receptive to and rejected BTW - was pretty much the last straw and broke the camel's back.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
'A new era': China's Xi hails Saudi Arabia visit
The meeting between the two leaders is being carefully watched by the United States, whose relations with the Gulf-state and the Asian superpower remain highly fractured
Petro Yuan?
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
In part, but not only, Willson's idiocy and Versailles revanchism played a huge part in destroying the peace because the European balance of power was thrown out of whack thanks to those paint sniffers.
Read up on a guy called George Kennan he had a few very choice things to say about the peace treaties and the league of nations, and how they would lead to a disaster.
They weren't goading you on purpose, they were just run by retards, the kaiser and his ilk, back then.
What really soured relations were the ocean liners that got sunk and the various media campaigns of the British.
The same liners that the British filled with armaments and that might have been set up to get ambushed or had bombs on board.
Also, the WASP class still had a strong hard-on for the UK and Wilson as well.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
The Kaiser wasn't actually pushing for it. It's probably one of the few Ws Willy was doing in the war, he was even against the Unrestricted Sub Warfare because he didn't want to goad the US into the war with it.
Sadly he was still a flawed Kaiser and made other mistakes, including falling for the same mem most of his advisers and aristocratic parliment did of being convinced that America's elite was far more powerful than it actually was and the fact that they were Anglophiles meant war was pretty much innevitable and damn what most of the people thought.
Sadly he was still a flawed Kaiser and made other mistakes, including falling for the same mem most of his advisers and aristocratic parliment did of being convinced that America's elite was far more powerful than it actually was and the fact that they were Anglophiles meant war was pretty much innevitable and damn what most of the people thought.
bintananth
behind a desk
The majority of the US also wasn't in favor of getting involved in WWII.
FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor because the USN was basically reading the IJN's mail. His administration made the Japanese ambassador sent to deliver the DOW wait until after the attack started so that FDR could claim that it was a cowardly sneak attack - pinky swear, honest - that would enrage the US public.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
A big reason why the Japanese attacked was the influence of the China Lobby in the USA, which got him to cut some exports to them.
He wouldn't have let his beloved navy get hit as hard as it did at Pearl Harbor.
FFS for all his faults he was still the guy that had to constantly be reminded to stop referring to the U.S. navy as "us" and the army as "them".
'A new era': China's Xi hails Saudi Arabia visit
The meeting between the two leaders is being carefully watched by the United States, whose relations with the Gulf-state and the Asian superpower remain highly fracturedwww.euronews.com
Petro Yuan?
China manipulates their currency way too much to get away with being a standard global reserve currency. On top of that holy shit as a country they have so many bullets heading their way soon that its not even funny.
It all has to go past india first and China's worked real hard to piss them off.
History Learner
Well-known member
Already happening:
Seriously, that the Price Cap was not going to work was obvious back in September at the absolute latest:
History Learner
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History Learner
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'A new era': China's Xi hails Saudi Arabia visit
The meeting between the two leaders is being carefully watched by the United States, whose relations with the Gulf-state and the Asian superpower remain highly fractured
Petro Yuan?
Not a Petro Yuan, because China has been firm on not wanting to be the Global Reserve currency since the late 2000s because they don't want to deal with Trifflin Dilemma. Instead, it looks like they're moving to use gold as a sort of BANCOR substitute:
The above details they're targeting the movement of gold, rather than the gold itself. The why is because, when you have gold backing something, you do have to move it to settle transactions. U.S. used to send over a ship or plane (can't remember which) every quarter to Saudi Arabia back when USD was still gold backed, IIRC.
Terthna
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And yet there's no shortage of people in the west who keep insisting it's only a matter of time before China supplants the United States. I don't know if it's wishful thinking on their part, or they're just that stupid, but either way a lot of people have positioned themselves to lose their shirts when China's economy finally kicks the bucket.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Does it help matters when you look at the current debt while the ones in charge are still dumping that ballchain into quicksand?