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Typhonis

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If they really want a Green New Deal that is practical, perhaps restarting and/or building new nuclear reactors would be a good start. It’s Green (uranium), it’s New (re-NEW-able), and a hell of a Deal to consider.
That would make sense and be good for all of us. Thus the Dems won't touch it with a 10 foot barge pole if you bribe them.
 

Cherico

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If they really want a Green New Deal that is practical, perhaps restarting and/or building new nuclear reactors would be a good start. It’s Green (uranium), it’s New (re-NEW-able), and a hell of a Deal to consider.

your dealing with cultists roman not rational people we have been talking to them about that for generations they simply do not care and think that people should suffer for the original sin of existing.
 

Agent23

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The USA, though I do have some online German friends who aren’t anything like what you describe.
Oh, I have met a few of those l, too, usually online, usually from East Germany.
But those are usually the exception, not the rule
And don't forget, people use the internet to both escape RL and find outlets for niche views and hobbies.
You are not meeting regular krauts.
I have worked for 2 kraut multinationals and with companies that work in the kraut market, and there was this visiting professor that had to lecture us about how badly we treat the "unfortunate poor", how we need more green energy or else there will be an apocalypse, and how we need more bicycle lanes.
Personally I am hoping it awakens the spirit of 1848. Which is badly needed in europe.

Yeah, IMHO by now most of that spirit has been beaten out of them, first by Prussian idiocy, then by successive waves of totalitarianism, like the current multi-culty gulttrippy form of "liberalism".
 

Agent23

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Bacle

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Same thing happened before the bronze age collapse.
No, no it didn't.

The Bronze Age Collapse was triggered by sustained (as in multiple years) volcanic eruptions in Iceland dumping ash and SO2 over Europe, the Nile Valley, and India for several seasons.

People need to actually read up on the environmental causes of the Bronze Age Collapse before spouting off how we are going through a similar event.
 

Cherico

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No, no it didn't.

The Bronze Age Collapse was triggered by sustained (as in multiple years) volcanic eruptions in Iceland dumping ash and SO2 over Europe, the Nile Valley, and India for several seasons.

People need to actually read up on the environmental causes of the Bronze Age Collapse before spouting off how we are going through a similar event.

I was talking about how the trade system was so intertwined and connected that the collapse of one state could start a death spiral that could fuck an entire civilization.

The upside of a globalized system is that people can hyper specialize the downside is that the system becomes more fragile as you lose redundency in the name of efficiency.
 

Bacle

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I was talking about how the trade system was so intertwined and connected that the collapse of one state could start a death spiral that could fuck an entire civilization.

The upside of a globalized system is that people can hyper specialize the downside is that the system becomes more fragile as you lose redundency in the name of efficiency.
It wasn't a 'trade collapse' or 'collapse' in one nation that caused the Bronze Age Collapse though.

I get you have a thing about comparing modern times to Rome or similar ancient societies, and comparing current events to them, to try to predict what will happen next.

However, you might want to look at some of environmental context to your historical allusions, before prognosticating about what is going on in the world. The Bronze Age collapse happened because environmental conditions outpaced many societies of that day's ability to handle adverse weather events, longer winters/colder summers, and the bad harvests that followed.
 

Cherico

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It wasn't a 'trade collapse' or 'collapse' in one nation that caused the Bronze Age Collapse though.

I get you have a thing about comparing modern times to Rome or similar ancient societies, and comparing current events to them, to try to predict what will happen next.

However, you might want to look at some of environmental context to your historical allusions, before prognosticating about what is going on in the world. The Bronze Age collapse happened because environmental conditions outpaced many societies of that day's ability to handle adverse weather events, longer winters/colder summers, and the bad harvests that followed.


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what your discribing was a factor yes but but above is a map of bronze age civilization.

what your discrbing kills nations, but a civilization is more then a country its more then a kingdom, its far bigger then that. I don't think you quite grasp how sophisicated bronze age civilizations were, or how expansive those trade networks were. Or what an absolutely devistating the collapse was.

If it were just environmental factors then there should have been a lot more surviving elements from the collapse because as you can see the map shows mulitple climate zones and countries, and yet egypt is pretty much the most notable civilization that survived the collapse.

Its not just sea people raids, its not just corrupt leadership, its not just environmental changes because while those can kill kingdoms easily there were a lot of kingdoms and a lot of empires running around during this time. I think it was multiple things hitting a systems weakpoints that caused a full collapse and its notable that more autarkic part of the civilization was the one that survived.

This isnt me bashing global trade but there are always trade offs. the current global trade system is incredibly efficient and has lifted a lot of countries and people out of poverty but its also the case that its vulnerable to outside shocks, and that a big enough one can bring the system down.

That said I don't think the coming collapse will destroy civilization this time its going in my mind to be an ugly crisis were millions die but I dont' think its going to end the world or anything.
 

Typhonis

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We litterally spent 30 years warning them not to depend on russia. 30 fucking years but no europe thought it was a post historical society now they reap the rewards of their hubrus.
Some lessons have to be learned the hard way. Their parents knew not to trust Russia, their grandparents as well. Now? Now these idiots think they know better.

How much longer does the EU have? How long till individual states start looking out for number 1 and saying screw the others?
 

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