East Palestine Ohio Train Crash & Poison Gas Plume Megathread

Bear Ribs

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How? Seriously? They're shipping the contaminated soil away and they manage to cause a wreck and another spill with debris from the previous spill?


No wonder parody sites can't come up with any way to top reality anymore.
 

Sailor.X

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How? Seriously? They're shipping the contaminated soil away and they manage to cause a wreck and another spill with debris from the previous spill?


No wonder parody sites can't come up with any way to top reality anymore.
Maybe the Railroad companies that are constantly fucking up need to be Nationalized and taken over by the US Government. With the smaller Railroad companies that aren't being fucked up allowed to expand into other regions under Federal Contract.
 

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Maybe the Railroad companies that are constantly fucking up need to be Nationalized and taken over by the US Government. With the smaller Railroad companies that aren't being fucked up allowed to expand into other regions under Federal Contract.


Nationalizing them isn't going to fix this problem. Europe is in much the same situation we are and their rail systems are nationalized.
 

Sailor.X

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Nationalizing them isn't going to fix this problem. Europe is in much the same situation we are and their rail systems are nationalized.
The status quo is not working and has not for the better part of a century. Suing the Railroads never works either they have too much money and outlast all plaintiffs. Better to Nationalize them and put rail upkeep under the Army Corps of Engineers.
 

Wargamer08

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The status quo is not working and has not for the better part of a century. Suing the Railroads never works either they have too much money and outlast all plaintiffs. Better to Nationalize them and put rail upkeep under the Army Corps of Engineers.
Rather then federal controls, I would rather they are run by the individual states if they are taken over at all. I will say though that government control has rarely worked out well these last few decades. Giving more power and control over aspects of people's lives yo an proven inept government seems dumb.
 

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Rather then federal controls, I would rather they are run by the individual states if they are taken over at all. I will say though that government control has rarely worked out well these last few decades. Giving more power and control over aspects of people's lives yo an proven inept government seems dumb.
Better than the current Railroad Kabal that get away with literal murder and get a slap on the wrist each time. Google Graniteville incident. And see how no real reform happened. People are fed up and want The Railroads no longer corporate.
 

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The current system is bad, I can't help but agree a nationalized rail network would also be bad. If I had a better answer I would give it here. Maybe government suing the fuck out of the railroads for the damage caused and negligence? Because one thing the government can do that regular people or even communities can't do is outlast the railroad's legal war chest. State level would be good, because then they can have multiple court cases.
 
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Wargamer08

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The current system is bad, I can't help but agree a nationalized rail network would also be bad. If I had a better answer I would give it here. Maybe government suing the fuck out of the railroads for the damage caused and negligence? Because one thing the government can do that regular people or even communities can do is outlast the railroad's legal war chest. State level would be good, because then they can have multiple court cases.
This I would agree would be a great start. Actually arresting the negligent company higher-ups would also be good. There is absolutely no way they haven't broken already existent laws.
 

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The current system is bad, I can't help but agree a nationalized rail network would also be bad. If I had a better answer I would give it here. Maybe government suing the fuck out of the railroads for the damage caused and negligence? Because one thing the government can do that regular people or even communities can do is outlast the railroad's legal war chest. State level would be good, because then they can have multiple court cases.
That's how it should work to begin with, which is also why the government of all things doesn't want to - it's an ideological mandate for the government technocrats to promote rail over other methods of transport, for reasons not unrelated to their dedication to the "climate cause". Tightening the screws on railroads and forcing them to invest more into safety would most likely lead to increasing prices and in fact making them a bit less competitive, and that's the opposite of what they want.
 

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The status quo is not working and has not for the better part of a century. Suing the Railroads never works either they have too much money and outlast all plaintiffs. Better to Nationalize them and put rail upkeep under the Army Corps of Engineers.
I'm not sure how you think that a government which refuses to enforce law against the railroad companies now, would be likely to enforce law if it had even more power over them.
 

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I'm not sure how you think that a government which refuses to enforce law against the railroad companies now, would be likely to enforce law if it had even more power over them.
Eh, @Sailor.X specifically said to put Rail under the Army Corp of Engineers, not just some random bureaucrats in DC.

The is a very significant difference between just another group of political appointees running the nationalized rail network, and handing it all over to the ACE; one get's you bloat and waste, the other gets shit done with far less red tape in the way.
 

Wargamer08

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Eh, @Sailor.X specifically said to put Rail under the Army Corp of Engineers, not just some random bureaucrats in DC.

The is a very significant difference between just another group of political appointees running the nationalized rail network, and handing it all over to the ACE; one get's you bloat and waste, the other gets shit done with far less red tape in the way.
The US military that hasn't made an audit in decades? I mean I'm all for putting the Marines back on cargo trains to cut down on the rampant theft, but big Fed has a pretty abysmal track record these days.
 

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The US military that hasn't made an audit in decades? I mean I'm all for putting the Marines back on cargo trains to cut down on the rampant theft, but big Fed has a pretty abysmal track record these days.
See, I get the doubt about gov agencies, but the Corp of Engineers is one of the few relatively apolitical, still competent, and necessarily-equipped agencies to handle a nationalized rail-network.

Also, they wouldn't put Marine's on the trains, those are needed on Amphibs in the South China Sea; most likely it would be Army Nat'l Guard units working with the Corp or Engineers to run the trains.
 

Wargamer08

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See, I get the doubt about gov agencies, but the Corp of Engineers is one of the few relatively apolitical, still competent, and necessarily-equipped agencies to handle a nationalized rail-network.

Also, they wouldn't put Marine's on the trains, those are needed on Amphibs in the South China Sea; most likely it would be Army Nat'l Guard units working with the Corp or Engineers to run the trains.
Ah I was making a reference to the historical use of using US Marines to guard mail trains in 1921. Maybe they can cut back on the put of control package theft.
 

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See, I get the doubt about gov agencies, but the Corp of Engineers is one of the few relatively apolitical, still competent, and necessarily-equipped agencies to handle a nationalized rail-network.

Also, they wouldn't put Marine's on the trains, those are needed on Amphibs in the South China Sea; most likely it would be Army Nat'l Guard units working with the Corp or Engineers to run the trains.
As others said, that would be third world level of deseperate bandaid for the problem. Anyone with political will and power to do it could also do it with more proper fixes, like making the organizations who should be doing this to start doing their bloody jobs under threats of full replacement of their leadership.

Package theft? Well, it's no accident that it happens a lot in the areas with.... progressive DA's and local governments who don't punish thieves and vandals even if they do get caught by local or rail police.
 

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Ah I was making a reference to the historical use of using US Marines to guard mail trains in 1921. Maybe they can cut back on the put of control package theft.
See, I had never heard about that.
As others said, that would be third world level of deseperate bandaid for the problem. Anyone with political will and power to do it could also do it with more proper fixes, like making the organizations who should be doing this to start doing their bloody jobs under threats of full replacement of their leadership.

Package theft? Well, it's no accident that it happens a lot in the areas with.... progressive DA's and local governments who don't punish thieves and vandals even if they do get caught by local or rail police.
It's something that could allow the corporate side's corruption to be rooted out while the Corp of Engineers acted as at least a caretaker of the rail industry/infrastructure while it was done.

Rail is so fucked right now only a full reset is truly going to fix it, if nationalization is not desired. At least moving it to state level control could smooth out and simplify a lot of matters, since a lot of state level transportation depts have their own rail divisions already.
 

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