Dystopian Europe

AnimalNoodles

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And they will end up being replaced by populists and reactionaries.

The UK and much of the west is at the growing resentment stage, but as things get worse they will learn to truely hate and dispise their elites. Once people hate you more then they fear you, your fucked.

Unless you have a fraction of elites who are willing to mobilise and organise, nothing will happen. And there is no fraction of elites who are willing to do that.
 

PsihoKekec

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And the cultural rot, that America exports to the rest of the 1st world, continues to devour European societies.
 

Cherico

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call it what you will, but it's become a parasite and needs to to be destroyed.

This is a problem for the whole of western civilization not just america.

But the current system will be destroyed and replaced with something better in time, granted replacing it with something better is a pretty low bar to jump over.
 
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LordsFire

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And the cultural rot, that America exports to the rest of the 1st world, continues to devour European societies.
Stop pretending this had to come to America. The same communist and post-modernist subversives that the US has had problems with have been problems in the rest of the 'western world' as well.
and thats why the American Empire needs to lose.
Semantics about hegemony vs empire aside, what do you expect to replace America as the world superpower?
 

ATP

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This is a problem for the whole of western civilization not just america.

But the current system will be destroyed and replaced with something better in time, granted replacing it with something better is a pretty low bar to jump over.
One of possibilities.Anothers are new stone age or gulags.
Stop pretending this had to come to America. The same communist and post-modernist subversives that the US has had problems with have been problems in the rest of the 'western world' as well.

Semantics about hegemony vs empire aside, what do you expect to replace America as the world superpower?
1.True
2.Comrades from China,of course ! jokes aside - they would be no worst then Biden.;)
 

Typhonis

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One of possibilities.Anothers are new stone age or gulags.

1.True
2.Comrades from China,of course ! jokes aside - they would be no worst then Biden.;)
It isn't Biden that's the problem. It's his handlers and puppetmasters.
 

AnimalNoodles

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Stop pretending this had to come to America. The same communist and post-modernist subversives that the US has had problems with have been problems in the rest of the 'western world' as well.

Semantics about hegemony vs empire aside, what do you expect to replace America as the world superpower?

Probably a multipolar world.

American conservatives dont understand that the thing they think they are fighting for is dead. And what has replaced it is a beast that wears the rags of America, but it isnt America. Its..for lack of a better term...Antiamerica. An inversion of the real thing.

It hates you.

It wants to put you into a woodchipper.

I dont understand why conservatives want to expand its power, when that power is bought with your blood and used to oppress you. It reaIly is your enemy, and the enemy of all humanity. Antiamerica will never be able to oppose China. It cant even keep its own borders and the borders of its vassals secure.

The defeat of this antiamerica as hegemon is a necessary precondition for your own liberation, as well as the liberation of its vassal states. And only once its defeated can you rebuild yourselves back into what you once were, a dynamic and free culture worthy of admiration.
 

Marduk

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Probably a multipolar world.

American conservatives dont understand that the thing they think they are fighting for is dead. And what has replaced it is a beast that wears the rags of America, but it isnt America. Its..for lack of a better term...Antiamerica. An inversion of the real thing.
It sure is dead and will remain so with that attitude.
It hates you.

It wants to put you into a woodchipper.

I dont understand why conservatives want to expand its power, when that power is bought with your blood and used to oppress you. It reaIly is your enemy, and the enemy of all humanity. Antiamerica will never be able to oppose China. It cant even keep its own borders and the borders of its vassals secure.

The defeat of this antiamerica as hegemon is a necessary precondition for your own liberation, as well as the liberation of its vassal states. And only once its defeated can you rebuild yourselves back into what you once were, a dynamic and free culture worthy of admiration.
Wishful thinking. Implying all the foreign powers you want to help in defeating it will just stay aside and let you, even help you rebuild it into the America that will be both able and willing to actually threaten them. You are trying to fit wishy washy sentiments into a sensible internal-external political strategy. If you believe that, you are as naive as the average hippy, except you think the utopia that mysteriously happens at the end will be traditionalist rather than socialist.

You are stuck on a ship that is taken over by a band of crazy mutineers while also more or less at war with some other ships it continues to maneuver against and deciding whether or not commit to a battle. If you sabotage the ship you are on to screw over the mutineers, well, you are going to end up on a lifeboat, if lucky, and then one of the other ships will either kill you or take you prisoner. If you think they will be somehow in awe of what you did and help you rebuild an even bigger and more powerful ship to do as you will with, you are as delusional as the crazy mutineers.

What you need to do is to deal with the mutineers one way or another and ready the ship for battle before the other ships notice what's going on and start truly exploit your moment of weakness.
 

AnimalNoodles

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It sure is dead and will remain so with that attitude.

Wishful thinking. Implying all the foreign powers you want to help in defeating it will just stay aside and let you, even help you rebuild it into the America that will be both able and willing to actually threaten them. You are trying to fit wishy washy sentiments into a sensible internal-external political strategy. If you believe that, you are as naive as the average hippy, except you think the utopia that mysteriously happens at the end will be traditionalist rather than socialist.

You are stuck on a ship that is taken over by a band of crazy mutineers while also more or less at war with some other ships it continues to maneuver against and deciding whether or not commit to a battle. If you sabotage the ship you are on to screw over the mutineers, well, you are going to end up on a lifeboat, if lucky, and then one of the other ships will either kill you or take you prisoner. If you think they will be somehow in awe of what you did and help you rebuild an even bigger and more powerful ship to do as you will with, you are as delusional as the crazy mutineers.

What you need to do is to deal with the mutineers one way or another and ready the ship for battle before the other ships notice what's going on and start truly exploit your moment of weakness.

You remain attached to the very system destroying you. The America you love is dead. Its never coming back. And so is the West in general. Its dead. What has taken its place is systemically and inherently biased against you.


You will not be able to deal with your mutineers. They will distract you with foreign adventures, playing on old instincts while they pick your pockets and destroy you. You want to go to war to defend the interests and expand the power of your real enemies.

Insane.

So the system itself has to go. And something new built to replace it, inspired by the best of the old but rooted in modernity. And to do that, the institutions have to be demolished.

Sink the boat bud. Sink it. Sink it all with the mutineers in it. You are going to lose anyway. But if you sink the boat, you can survive and build something new.

It doesnt matter what China does in Taiwan. it doesnt matter what Iran does in syria. It doesnt matter what Russia does in Ukraine. What matters is whats going on in your own back yard. The greatest enemy isnt the 'Chicoms'. Its the plutocrats and and managerial classes. It is they who destroyed you. It is they who empowered your foreign rivals, pillaged your economy and debased your society.

Until that system is dealt with, you will be unable to deal with your foreign rivals.
 

Marduk

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You remain attached to the very system destroying you. The America you love is dead. Its never coming back. And so is the West in general. Its dead. What has taken its place is systemically and inherently biased against you.


You will not be able to deal with your mutineers. They will distract you with foreign adventures, playing on old instincts while they pick your pockets and destroy you. You want to go to war to defend the interests and expand the power of your real enemies.
The existence of one enemy in no way makes other enemies not exist or stop being your enemies. If you think otherwise, you're an idiot, one useful to one of these other enemies, or just in general.
Insane.

So the system itself has to go. And something new built to replace it, inspired by the best of the old but rooted in modernity. And to do that, the institutions have to be demolished.

Sink the boat bud. Sink it. Sink it all with the mutineers in it. You are going to lose anyway. But if you sink the boat, you can survive and build something new.
Did you read what did i write about what will happen after you sink the boat?
The third parties will not just simply let you survive and build something new. They would be fucking retarded to do so.
It doesnt matter what China does in Taiwan. it doesnt matter what Iran does in syria. It doesnt matter what Russia does in Ukraine. What matters is whats going on in your own back yard. The greatest enemy isnt the 'Chicoms'.
Sorry, but i completely fail to appreciate the intellectual value of "stick your head in the sand" strategy.
Its the plutocrats and and managerial classes. It is they who destroyed you. It is they who empowered your foreign rivals, pillaged your economy and debased your society.
Wow, go away to the commies then, seems like you have the right story to be accepted by them.
Until that system is dealt with, you will be unable to deal with your foreign rivals.
If your defeatist vision regarding chances of retaking the control of the ship is correct, then your solution to it is incorrect. Global thermonuclear warfare is a better alternative, as it implies sinking not only your ship, but all the other ships, certainly the hostile ones, while, as a bonus, said hostile ships will help you sink the mutineers with their ship's weapons. And suddenly your chances of being able to rebuild with no intervention from other ships rise...
But hey, that doesn't fit the pro-foreign power narrative you are trying to push, so you sure will apply your favored "stick head in sand" strategy instead.
 
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LordsFire

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You know, you could have saved us the trouble of a post this long by just saying 'I am comprehensively black-pilled.'

To put things simply, you see the bad, but not the good. You see the broken parts of the system, but not the ones which still function.

For as long as you're this myopic, you'll be incapable of helping move towards a constructive solution to current problems.
 

AnimalNoodles

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You know, you could have saved us the trouble of a post this long by just saying 'I am comprehensively black-pilled.'

To put things simply, you see the bad, but not the good. You see the broken parts of the system, but not the ones which still function.

For as long as you're this myopic, you'll be incapable of helping move towards a constructive solution to current problems.

Thats the thing..i am not blackpilled now. I am exhilarated. Freeing myself of a failed and degenerate "conservatism" has allowed me to think clearly. We have a great deal of suffering, humiliation and pain to come. But the growing failure of the system will open us up to unique opportunities.
 

Aldarion

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You know, you could have saved us the trouble of a post this long by just saying 'I am comprehensively black-pilled.'

To put things simply, you see the bad, but not the good. You see the broken parts of the system, but not the ones which still function.

For as long as you're this myopic, you'll be incapable of helping move towards a constructive solution to current problems.
You are assuming that there are parts of the system which still function.

I have hard time seeing any.
 

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