The Japanese didn't side with the commies and they are the ones that attacked us.
So I doubt any of them would care about communists.
And surviving soldiers and the like ARE seeing this and most if not all US ones didn't change thier minds
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So I doubt any of them would care about communists.
And surviving soldiers and the like ARE seeing this and most if not all US ones didn't change thier minds
The Japanese attacked us because we provoked them into it. Just so we could get into a war
with Germany. The commies won WW2 and we are paying the price.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
...Okay, I've got to hear this one.
In my own study of history, the Japanese called the US refusing to sell scrap steel to them due to what they were doing in China 'an act of war.'
Is that bit of transparent nonsense what you're referring to, or was it something else?
DarthOne
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There was an oil embargo too. Also, I think they got frozen out of the banking system but I might be wrong about that one.
Which is the result of the horrific things they were doing in China.
The commies survived. If they had won there would never have been an East and West germany
There was an oil embargo. The USA also froze all their assets in the USA. They also moved the fleet to Hawaii in the first place which was a provocation in and of itself. All of this was done to get the USA into a war with Germany.
The commies were the winners in WW2 we fought on their side.
The maps were drawn up long before hand and multiple peace offers refused.
FDR was the one that gave them eastern Europe in the first place. They certainly couldn't have stopped us from driving them out. FDR was a commie hell his wife was a card carrying commie. If we had wanted the russkis gone Patton could have done it in months.
Patton openly said we'd fought for the wrong side and was murdered for it.
The entire reason we did that stuff to Japan was because of the atrocities they committed in allied Nationalist China.... you know the ones we were supporting against both the Commies and the Japanese?
Had we started to push against the Soviets we would have suffered way more deaths then we would have, because the amount if deaths would have easily reached over a million within the first few months, because the Soviets were a lot more willing to treat us like the Germans.
We also wernt in the right mind back home for it.
Now, if FDR was as big as a commie as you say why did he keep the Abomb secret from them?
Also, had Germany not declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor we would have never been at war with them.
Hitlers advisors also said this.
We only wanted to defeat Japan, not Europe.
Hell, the Soviets and the rest if the Allies wernt at war with Japan till after Pearl Harbor and near the end for the soviets.....
Robovski
Well-known member
Moving our fleet within our territory is our right. As is telling off another power we don't feel we can do business with you since you keep raping the Chinese. If the Japanese went to war for their right to our oil and to rape Chinese, then so be it. I'm glad they got taken to the woodshed.
They attacked Poland and german ally in 1939.
Soviets genocided more their own people then japaneese - And Japan murdered people in other countries.
About war with commies in 1945 - they need american trucks,trains and fuel to advance,and materials to made ammo.And do not had fighters capable of engaging B.17.
If USA decide to fight them,they would win in few months taking little loses.
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They didn't. The Soviets got the bomb.
Also the USA had been in a de facto state of war against Germany for years.
And Germany actually keeps its obligations to its allies.
On the subject of the allies invading the USSR after WW2 we could have been in Moscow in months.
The red army was a disorganized mob utterly at our mercy. The red army had no logistics train.
The red army's logistics was a can of gas on the back of a tank and a couple of chickens. Thats it.
We could have driven them out at will.
Yup,thanks to american traitors.
Defending british conwoys on open sea.It was act of war.
Yes,they were genociders,but they supported allies.
Agree.
Not true.
No,they had trucks and trains delivering goods - trucks and trains from USA delivering food from USA and ammo made from USA materials.
Just stop sending it,destroy Baku,bomb soviets with B.17 for one monthe,and you could attack and take them.
After cutting help for them,destroing their refineries,and bombing for month or two - agree.
The Soviets got the bomb due to traitors, not due to FDR you fucking idiot.
We hadn't been? We had been supplying our allies yes but even then we didn't do anything against Germany till they declared war.
They declared war on us first, where as we declared war on Japan and only Japan until then.
no we wouldnt have.
they had a logistics train. A rough one but oke that would have been enkugh the closer we got to moscow.
they were more then willing to die fighting and outnumbered all the western allies combined. They were also more then ready to keep fighting where as the western ones wernt.
Yes, but after the initial help of the US and thier factories started chruching again, they made do from there.
Yes i'm sure FDR was looking really really hard for traitors and spies looking for nuclear secrets after point blank handing Eastern Europe to the USSR. Once again we had already been in a de facto state of war with Germany for literally years at this point.
Patton himself said he could be in Moscow in months after one inspection tour.
Factories weren't the issue they could build all the crap in the universe but they couldn't supply anything but a handful of it.
Traitors who could work there thanks to FDR,and nobody tried to catch them till he lived.
USA made convoys which attacked uboots on sea,not american waters.It was act of war.
Becouse germans were grmociders,but loyal to their allies.
Yes,you could Patton say so,and that why he was murdered.
Thanks to USA.Without your support it would last few months.
Only when they could not surrender.Or surrender mean death camp.In 1941 5M of soviets surrender,till they undarstandt that it mean death,too.Then they start fighting.
Would USA genocide soviets who surrender? no? then soviet army would vanish,just like in 1941.
With what? trucks delivered from USA? trains from USA? war materials to made ammo also from USA? oil from Baku which would burn first day of war?
Made tanks,planes and guns.Trucks,trains,materials for ammo - they still need USA for that.
Robovski
Well-known member
The Rosenburgs stole secrets for the USSR which is why some of us know the true June 19th event is their execution for treason.
en.wikipedia.org
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Julius Rosenberg joined the Army Signal Corps Engineering Laboratories at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey, in 1940, where he worked as an engineer-inspector until 1945. He was discharged when the U.S. Army discovered his previous membership in the Communist Party USA. Important research on electronics, communications, radar and guided missile controls was undertaken at Fort Monmouth during World War II.[12]
According to a 2001 book by his former handler Aleksandr Feklisov, Rosenberg was originally recruited to spy for the interior ministry of the Soviet Union, NKVD, on Labor Day 1942 by a former spymaster Semyon Semyonov.[13] Rosenberg had been introduced to Semyonov by Bernard Schuster, a high-ranking member of the Communist Party USA and NKVD liaison for Earl Browder. After Semyonov was recalled to Moscow in 1944 his duties were taken over by Feklisov.[13]
Rosenberg provided thousands of classified reports from Emerson Radio, including a complete proximity fuze. Under Feklisov's supervision, Rosenberg recruited sympathetic individuals into NKVD service, including Joel Barr, Alfred Sarant, William Perl, and Morton Sobell, also an engineer.[14] Perl supplied Feklisov, under Rosenberg's direction, with thousands of documents from the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, including a complete set of design and production drawings for Lockheed's P-80 Shooting Star, the first U.S. operational jet fighter. Feklisov learned through Rosenberg that Ethel's brother David was working on the top-secret Manhattan Project at the Los Alamos National Laboratory; he directed Julius to recruit David.[13]
In February 1944, Rosenberg succeeded in recruiting a second source of Manhattan Project information, engineer Russell McNutt, who worked on designs for the plants at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. For this success Rosenberg received a $100 bonus. McNutt's employment provided access to secrets about processes for manufacturing weapons-grade uranium."
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - Wikipedia
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Julius Rosenberg joined the Army Signal Corps Engineering Laboratories at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey, in 1940, where he worked as an engineer-inspector until 1945. He was discharged when the U.S. Army discovered his previous membership in the Communist Party USA. Important research on electronics, communications, radar and guided missile controls was undertaken at Fort Monmouth during World War II.[12]
According to a 2001 book by his former handler Aleksandr Feklisov, Rosenberg was originally recruited to spy for the interior ministry of the Soviet Union, NKVD, on Labor Day 1942 by a former spymaster Semyon Semyonov.[13] Rosenberg had been introduced to Semyonov by Bernard Schuster, a high-ranking member of the Communist Party USA and NKVD liaison for Earl Browder. After Semyonov was recalled to Moscow in 1944 his duties were taken over by Feklisov.[13]
Rosenberg provided thousands of classified reports from Emerson Radio, including a complete proximity fuze. Under Feklisov's supervision, Rosenberg recruited sympathetic individuals into NKVD service, including Joel Barr, Alfred Sarant, William Perl, and Morton Sobell, also an engineer.[14] Perl supplied Feklisov, under Rosenberg's direction, with thousands of documents from the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, including a complete set of design and production drawings for Lockheed's P-80 Shooting Star, the first U.S. operational jet fighter. Feklisov learned through Rosenberg that Ethel's brother David was working on the top-secret Manhattan Project at the Los Alamos National Laboratory; he directed Julius to recruit David.[13]
In February 1944, Rosenberg succeeded in recruiting a second source of Manhattan Project information, engineer Russell McNutt, who worked on designs for the plants at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. For this success Rosenberg received a $100 bonus. McNutt's employment provided access to secrets about processes for manufacturing weapons-grade uranium."
Ixian
Professional Gatekeeper
Yeah, refusing to sell something to someone else typically isn't a good casus belli.
USA made dutch do the same.Japan could fall without oil,or start war.They decide to fight.What you expected from samurais?
DarthOne
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When you do it while claiming to be neutral and you are helping the other side, it is.
Which isn’t to say Imperial Japan was the good guys in the war in China, not by a long stretch
Careful with that logic. According to it, NATO had cassus belli against whole OAPEC in the 70's.
