Religion Does the New Testament teach that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh?

[ATP]

When I say "The God of the Old Testament", do you know the name of the being I am referring to? Are you capable of even comprehending the question of the thread topic?



No, the last times aren't when "antichrists rule the entire earth". We are in the last times.



That is what the words literally mean, but that isn't what the actual doctrine of "sola scriptura" fully means. You refuse to listen to what it actually means.

I haven't cited a single "tradition of my sect". I've only cited the Bible, Old and New Testament.

1.Of course.You belivethat Jesus is Jahwe.Rare heresy,unknown to me till i meet you.

2.You should read Revelations.Antichrist will come and rule over entire Earth before Jesus come again.And that would be last times.

3.Problem is,Bible only suggest that Jesus is God.You coud get from New Testament power op popes,but noy that or Trinity.
So,i belive that Jesus is God and part of Trinity becouse this is Tradition of my church,you belive the same becouse it is Tradition of your sect.

Here,another:


Galatians 3:11-14


11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[a] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[b] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[c] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Again,God is God,Jesus is Messiah.

 

[ATP]

Hmm, well going by your logic, if any Kingdom besides Israel controlled them, you need texts from them saying they controlled those mines, spice trades into Israel, and harbors. Do you have any such texts from Egypt, Assyria, or Babylon?

Good point - but if no one state controlled them,but many smaller,than superpowers of those days simply ignored it.
They would not ignore superpower controlling lands fron Eupraths to Egypt.

Here,another Paul:


Galatians 3:14-18

14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
The Law and the Promise
15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[a] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

God is God,Jesus is Messiah.

 

[Stargazer]

1.Of course.You belivethat Jesus is Jahwe.Rare heresy,unknown to me till i meet you

I didn't say anything about Jesus. I am asking you: the God of the Old Testament - creator of heaven and earth, the only savior, the one who there are no gods before or after -

What. Is. His. Name?

 

[ATP]

John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I Am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live"

note the use of "I Am" i.e. Ego eimi. this echos Exodus 3:14 where God introduces himself to Moses as " I Am that I Am"



i find them very useful for establishing context and in doing so increasing my own understanding

1.Yes,it very strongly Imply that Jesus is God.Yet still do not say it openly.Another cases are where Jesus exiled demons in HIS name,not GOD.

2.Indeed,context is important.Otherwise,we could not undarstandt meaning of text.

Here,another Paul:


Galatians 3:21-29


21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God is God,Jesus is Messiah thanks to HIM we are children of God.But - HE is not GOD.

 

[Scottty]

I'm wondering how much of the teaching of the Apostle Paul that he quotes from so much, ATP actually understands or believes?

 

[LordsFire]

I'm wondering how much of the teaching of the Apostle Paul that he quotes from so much, ATP actually understands or believes?

As best I can tell, not a single bit.

 

[ATP]

I didn't say anything about Jesus. I am asking you: the God of the Old Testament - creator of heaven and earth, the only savior, the one who there are no gods before or after -

What. Is. His. Name?

Jahwe,of course.And you for some reason belive that Jesus is HIM.Rare heresy,indeed.

Here,another Paul:


Galatians 4:4-7



4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[a] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,[b] Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.
So,God is God,Jesus is HIS son,but so we are.

 

[ATP]

I'm wondering how much of the teaching of the Apostle Paul that he quotes from so much, ATP actually understands or believes?

More then people who belive that Jesus is Jahwe.
Here,another Paul:


Galatians 4:8-14


Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8 Before you Gentiles knew God, you were slaves to so-called gods that do not even exist. 9 So now that you know God (or should I say, now that God knows you), why do you want to go back again and become slaves once more to the weak and useless spiritual principles of this world? 10 You are trying to earn favor with God by observing certain days or months or seasons or years. 11 I fear for you. Perhaps all my hard work with you was for nothing. 12 Dear brothers and sisters,[a] I plead with you to live as I do in freedom from these things, for I have become like you Gentiles—free from those laws.
You did not mistreat me when I first preached to you. 13 Surely you remember that I was sick when I first brought you the Good News. 14 But even though my condition tempted you to reject me, you did not despise me or turn me away. No, you took me in and cared for me as though I were an angel from God or even Christ Jesus himself.

God is God,Jesus is Messiah.

 

[ATP]

As best I can tell, not a single bit.

You could belive so,just like that Jesus is Jahwe.You are free man.

Here,anoter Paul


Galatians 5:1-6



Freedom in Christ
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Jesus is Messiah,not God here.

 

[Stargazer]

Jahwe,of course.And you for some reason belive that Jesus is HIM.Rare heresy,indeed.

Ok. Are you saying you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament, whose name is Yahweh? You're calling that heresy?

 

[ATP]

Ok. Are you saying you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament, whose name is Yahweh? You're calling that heresy?

Jesus is not Jahwe.And it is very funny heresy,and i must thank you for introduce it to me.I had good laught.

Another Paul:


Galatians 5:24


24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Again,Jesus is Messiah,not God.

 

[Stargazer]

Jesus is not Jahwe.And it is very funny heresy,and i must thank you for introduce it to me.I had good laught.

You are just illiterate. You are literally incapable of reading and thinking logically. You deny what the Nicene Creed and the Catechism of the Catholic Church say about there being one God, and Jesus being that God, and have the audacity to act like it's some "new heresy". So, you aren't Catholic. I don't know what you are. You are lying if you go around saying you're Catholic. I am more Catholic than you are.

And you've probably been trolling for at least ten pages, so there's that. I doubt you actually believe God exists at this point.

 

[ATP]

You are just illiterate. You are literally incapable of reading and thinking logically. You deny what the Nicene Creed and the Catechism of the Catholic Church say about there being one God, and Jesus being that God, and have the audacity to act like it's some "new heresy". So, you aren't Catholic. I don't know what you are. You are lying if you go around saying you're Catholic. I am more Catholic than you are.

And you've probably been trolling for at least ten pages, so there's that. I doubt you actually believe God exists at this point.

Trinity is one God.But Jesus is still Jesus,not Jahwe or Holy Spirit,just like Jahwe is still Jahwe and Holy Spirit is still Holy Spirit.
But,if you truly belive that Jahwe is Jesus,then you are just part of anoter protestant sect.Quite funny,to be frank.

Here,anoter Paul:

Galatians 6:2-7
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, for each one should carry their own load. Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor. Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Again,God is God,Jesus is Messiah,not God.

P.S your heresy is funny - becouse you use your tradition to claim something which is not openly said in Bible.Which is exactly what we,bad papist,do.

When i here try to forget about Tradition and use only sola scriptura,like protestants should.Well,from the time when Luder made himself super pope it was fake.

 

[Stargazer]

No response to the Bible, no response to the Nicene Creed, no response to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. All @ATP knows how to do is repeat the same ignorant and heretical lines over and over again. This thread is over. Should've been over on like, the second page.

I'll leave with one final truth from the Bible: the one God is Yahweh.

“Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!"
Deuteronomy 6:4

 

[ATP]

No response to the Bible, no response to the Nicene Creed, no response to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. All @ATP knows how to do is repeat the same ignorant and heretical lines over and over again. This thread is over. Should've been over on like, the second page.

I'll leave with one final truth from the Bible: the one God is Yahweh.

“Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!"
Deuteronomy 6:4

I use Bible.And sola scriptura to interpretation.When you,protestant,try to use Nicene Creed and Catechism to prove new heresy that Jesus is Jahwe.

Interesting.Now,another Paul:


Galatians 6:14-18

14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which[a] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to[b] the Israel of God.

17 From now on, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen.

Again,God is God,Jesus is Lord and Messiah,not God.

It is end of Galatians -
so,it would be 17:0 this time.

You lost from the moment then you try to prove using only Bible that Jesus is God.Becouse it is almost impossible.
Trying to make HIM jahwe only made your standing even worst.

 

[Scottty]

You lost from the moment then you try to prove using only Bible that Jesus is God.Becouse it is almost impossible.
Trying to make HIM jahwe only made your standing even worst.

Dude, we have shown you the Bible verses, you just refuse to accept them.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

Nicene Creed

What We Believe


The Nicene Creed,
''I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.''

you've just declared the official doctrine of the CC since the 4th century as a heresy.

 

[ATP]

Dude, we have shown you the Bible verses, you just refuse to accept them.

2 verses from fake Paul.All other show Jesus as Messiah,sometimes suggesting that maybe HE is God.
Here,another:

Philippians 1:1-6


1 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus,
To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]:

2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Thanksgiving and Prayer
3 I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

God is God,Jesus is Lord and Messiah.

 

[ATP]

What We Believe


The Nicene Creed,
''I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.''

you've just declared the official doctrine of the CC since the 4th century as a heresy.

Did you read what you wrote? becouse i belive all that - but,i do not belive your heresy that New Testament teach that Jesus is God of old Testament,Jahwe.
When exactly Nican creed say that your funny heresy is real?

Here,another Paul:

Philippians 1:8-11


8 God can testify how I long for all of you with the affection of Christ Jesus.

9 And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, 10 so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God.

Again,God is God,Jesus is Messiah.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

When exactly Nican creed say that your funny heresy is real?

.i bolded the relevant parts, but here they are again:

"I believe in one God, the Father almighty,"
"God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. "
"I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, "

and i also pulled that from the CC's web page.

seeing as how this is the reason that the First Council of Nicaea was convened i have serious questions on your knowledge of history. you are using the Arianist heresy as the basis of your argument.

i'll see if a picture can get it through your thick skull:

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Son, ergo Jesus is God.

this has been the CC's stance since ad 325.