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Hlaalu Agent

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I am not adverse to anyone suddenly and spontaneously doing the right thing and ending their monstrous acts but at the same time I have no vested interest in Disney surviving. There's nothing wrong with it disappearing, we don't actually lose anything, your old DVDs wont vaporize themselves if the megacorp goes bust.

I would wager that we have much to gain-potentially at least, and I think you'd agree. The properties will be sold off, and will be bought up by other groups who will be able to do something worthwhile with them. But really, I find it hard to care, except for the things of actual cultural value that need to be salvaged...because if they don't the people who ruined them win and we lose something of cultural value.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Found a comment in this video that explains why Mulan bombed in China:
tl;dr, based and trad chinese don't care for cliched western film tropes.
1. There are no consistent rules for Qi in chinese fiction, and magic powers regularly make someone effortlessly better in said fiction
2. The chinese regularly indulge in childish race-tropes (han=good, everything else in the universe=disgusting) and many forms of traditional Chinese fiction are an endless procession of boring Naruto-sues who outclass everyone by training "like, really hard last week"
3. The chinese are legally not allowed to mix fantasy and history, they used to do it happily.
4. Chinese villains often start overpowered, but are turned into complete harmless jokes by the end.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
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First Disney+ seems like it came out just in time right before the Pandemic. And of all of the media companies rivals it has, Disney has a bigger bank account and media library then its competitors to survive this long box office drought. And this expanding partnership with China. How... convenient... :unsure:

:sneaky::p
 

Aaron Fox

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Well, those who are thinking that there will be a return to traditional 2D animation, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, let me have Jollyjack explain why it died:
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Basically, 2D animation is going to stay all computerized because one simple mistake isn't going to literally undo hundreds upon hundreds of manhours (and all the wages that it entails) of work and traditional 2D animation is going to be religated to an extremely niche market and as more of a hobby than a marketable product.

Also, Disney has its low points, or have you all forgotten the Disney Dark Age or the post-Toy Story screwup era?

Also, Disney had been playing with CGI since the Great Mouse Detective:


Sure it's shit CGI in our perspective, but it was used where it can do the most good. A major problem is that you've got stockholders that want to cut as many corners as possible to get their stupidly-high RoIs while the situation with media has changed significantly alongside spending habits (a vanishing middle class and their stupidly large disposable incomes fueled the '50s onward media boom).
Disney isn’t in the business of innovation, it’s in the business of controlling mass culture.
That isn't entirely the case. In the case of Disney's innovation, it has always been behind the scenes innovation. Mating video with sound or the tower of animation equipment designed to easily create the illusion of distance with the animation for instance.

Problem is that we're in something of a transitional period of sorts in animation, like how Toy Story shifted the animation market heavily to CGI.
 

Husky_Khan

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Aaron Fox

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Disney announced a strategic reorganization that's effective immediately which will focus on 'direct to consumer' operations... which sounds like basically streaming
This happened the last time the markets shifted immensely... so not surprising it happens again.
 

Aaron Fox

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So I turned on MY D+ and put on some peter pan on my break and THIS popped up.

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They are seriously going to double down on this, and somthing tells me we aren't going to get Song of the South
It is because people want people to acknowledge that racism is a thing and that they influenced the media in general. It's about high fucking time Disney started doing this.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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It is because people want people to acknowledge that racism is a thing and that they influenced the media in general. It's about high fucking time Disney started doing this.

Which people? We already acknowledge racism is a thing, and if that is the case then shouldn't we have to acknowledge everything of the sort that influences media? Because people's cultural beliefs, preconceptions, etc tend to do so.

It really sounds like more of that white guilt nonsense, people don't need to be told that dated representations are dated.
 

Aaron Fox

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Which people? We already acknowledge racism is a thing, and if that is the case then shouldn't we have to acknowledge everything of the sort that influences media? Because people's cultural beliefs, preconceptions, etc tend to do so.
Yes, and it is something that must be said.
It really sounds like more of that white guilt nonsense, people don't need to be told that dated representations are dated.
Nope, you wouldn't believe it but some people still want the racist stereotypes to be perpetuated.
I think it is the depiction of Native Americans/Indians/First Nations/etc (some actually identify as Indians, so I am not leaving it out to please white liberals).

Like this,


That depiction was bad, even when I was a kid in the '90s. It was horribad.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Yes, and it is something that must be said.

It is said plenty, I am sure giving people a break from it isn't going to hurt. People are going to be plenty aware that older films are going to contain things that are dated and likely offensive. It just seems to me that thing are going to be disclaimed to the absurd, as today we take every trend to the absurd. For instance people eating tide pods like they are fruit gushers, the knockout challenge, and so on. Remember the absurdity of today and add to that the idiocy of execs...

Nope, you wouldn't believe it but some people still want the racist stereotypes to be perpetuated.

That sounds like human nature, they want to spread their preconceived notions.

That depiction was bad, even when I was a kid in the '90s. It was horribad.

I will admit to laughing at it, the emphasis on "at it", because of how ridiculous it is. And editing at this clarification, "at it" is to be opposed to "with it", I mocking laugh at such things.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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I think it is the depiction of Native Americans/Indians/First Nations/etc (some actually identify as Indians, so I am not leaving it out to please white liberals).
Like this,

Yes, and it is something that must be said.
Nope, you wouldn't believe it but some people still want the racist stereotypes to be perpetuated.
That depiction was bad, even when I was a kid in the '90s. It was horribad.
What about that depiction is racist?
 

Bear Ribs

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What about that depiction is racist?
The big part is that the song implies that "White" is the default skin color and there needs to be a special explanation for why they aren't white (and the song does indeed imply this, stating that all the Red Men are actually white but blush constantly).
 

Shipmaster Sane

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The big part is that the song implies that "White" is the default skin color and there needs to be a special explanation for why they aren't white (and the song does indeed imply this, stating that all the Red Men are actually white but blush constantly).
So hypothetically if a group told a story about themselves explaining why they looked different than some other people they encountered, and it didn't set them as the "baseline", would they in that case be racist against themselves?


Is, say, Tormund Giantsbane (Who has red hair) from GOT bigoted against gingers because he tells a story about how red haired people got their red hair from some event in the past? Or is GRRM biggoted against Gingers because he wrote Tormund telling that story?
 

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