Culture Welcome to Dismal Disney.

[Sixgun McGurk]

Agree with Sixgun. Disney was able to innovate and invent so much because he was the little guy, not running a huge corporation. Generally the most inventive and interesting ideas come from small indie operations. Megacorps by nature are more imitative and samey. This is largely because a small indie operation can run off one person's vision, and one person can come up with wild stuff that a committee can't without watering it down. But in a giant corporation an imaginative person who comes up with wild ideas can't run things, there's too much politicking and managing and operating, so the person who winds up in charge isn't the one with vision but the one who can manage the board meetings to get what they want. The ideas person meanwhile gets their idea stolen and then distorted into sameness by the layers of bureaucracy.

This is why, f'rex, you see all kinds of interesting stories coming out of indie comics and manga artists working on their own, while massive DC and Marvel comics can't seem to do anything but sell the same stories over and hit the reset button endlessly, or go for a hamfisted "message" about the political issue of the week. Google's corporate strategy is designed around mitigating that by buying up indies and startups to use as idea mines, to the extent that "getting bought by Google" is generally the goal of any silicon valley startup.

Buying up other companies can work if you personally as boss aren't the actual problem. If Disney bought Miracle Inc and Miracle Marv showed up with a brand new script from God to save the day, Iger would just have it sent to focus group hell and say that an unproven property is too big a risk. Then he would ask him if he knew of any 'proven' properties that could be remade. The guy is just a flipper. Within a few months Marv is sitting at home with his key henchmen plotting his escape from the Disney corporate umbrella and Miracle inc is just another brand slapped on a chunk of spam now and then.

Ordinarily a big old corporate behemoth buying up startups and small successful companies is a sign of impending total management failure, but I'll have to say that Google's business is so wide that it actually makes sense for them. There is still so much low hanging fruit in the automation business that their arms just get tired from grabbing it all.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I don't want Disney to die though, I want them to improve and become that symbol of americanism they were when Walt and Roy were at the head.

Such is entrophy, it gradually wastes everything away until only a former shell of itself remains which then is replaced by a new and better thing.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Such is entrophy, it gradually wastes everything away until only a former shell of itself remains which then is replaced by a new and better thing.

True but subversion to make a good propaganda mill is hardly entropy.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Disney isn’t in the business of innovation, it’s in the business of controlling mass culture.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I wonder how cooked the movies success is going to be.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

A company as large and entrenched as Disney can run multi-billion dollar deficits for multiple consecutive years without the risk of collapsing, so I'd reserve all the doom and gloom for now.

Doom and Gloom? The hell? How is anything bad happening to Disney not good news? This thread title is nothing but fantastic sunshine and rainbows optimism.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Doom and Gloom? The hell? How is anything bad happening to Disney not good news? This thread title is nothing but fantastic sunshine and rainbows optimism.

Bad shit happening to Disney is nice, but a Megacorp like them is not going to greatly affected by the loss of a few billion dollars.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Bad shit happening to Disney is nice, but a Megacorp like them is not going to greatly affected by the loss of a few billion dollars.

Right, I'm not saying *I'm* the optimist here, not my thread after all, I'm just saying bad news for disney is good news for everyone, so his post should more accurately be "hold off on the celebrating" not "hold off on the doom and gloom".

 

[Duke Nukem]

Right, I'm not saying *I'm* the optimist here, not my thread after all, I'm just saying bad news for disney is good news for everyone, so his post should more accurately be "hold off on the celebrating" not "hold off on the doom and gloom".

Oh ok, my mistake.

 

[Typhonis]

Oh man, poor Disney.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Oh man, poor Disney.

More like wise Xi dudes scum but not allowing this kind of propganda is a very wise move. From an authoritarian standpoint at least. Just look what wokeness is doing here China's not going to allow that there.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

More like wise Xi dudes scum but not allowing this kind of propganda is a very wise move. From an authoritarian standpoint at least. Just look what wokeness is doing here China's not going to allow that there.

now if only Disney would learn not to trade the american dollar for Chinese currency

 

[CarlManvers2019]

now if only Disney would learn not to trade the american dollar for Chinese currency

Chinese currency to begin with while in YUGE amounts, is probably almost worthless in truth

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

How's that business about Disney cooking its park books to the order of some billion dollars a year turning out ?

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

You can't please everyone is a song lyric and an enteral truth. Iger is a true fool for ever believing that he wouldn't be deliberately screwed by the Chinese. The Party is too corrupt to take at its word and you would literally have to turn over all profit to its minions in order to get a fair shot at that market. Any of these idiots that think that a western company will be anything more than a chump in China is insane. They will entice them in, take over and leave them with nothing.

I think that the swirl of dysfunction that characterizes the Disney board is politically driven. The largest shareholder is Vangard, and the Government Pension Fund and there seems to be a problem inside those institutional investors with their management pushing the woke agenda. Iger wont say boo to the hideous female leadership that has failed so very hard over and over, with the feminist 'Mulan' being the latest vomit pile on his shoes. This makes me think that he's been screwing the 17 year old Snow Whites for the last thirty years and recently got his ass in a crack over it. Now he thinks he can wait 'me too' out, but in truth the old man doesn't give a crap about Disney and has retired on the job.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

How's that business about Disney cooking its park books to the order of some billion dollars a year turning out ?

not good if this is anything to go by, on the bright side, don bluth is making a studio.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

not good if this is anything to go by, on the bright side, don bluth is making a studio.

By not good do you mean bad for disney or good for disney.

 

[Laskar]

not good if this is anything to go by, on the bright side, don bluth is making a studio.

Holy shit. Don Bluth swore that he was through with animation. I though he really meant it!

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Holy shit. Don Bluth swore that he was through with animation. I though he really meant it!

Some people are good at something, because they love it. Sometimes others spoil it for them, sometimes they do it themselves, but sooner or later they have a moment where their passion gets reignited.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Holy shit. Don Bluth swore that he was through with animation. I though he really meant it!

Last Disney shows I watched were Gravity Falls and Star Vs The Forces of Evil(seasons1-3)

I thought they were mostly CalArts now