Alternate History Dewey Defeats Truman (for real)

stevep

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Circle of Willis

A very good ride and still some interesting times ahead. Both in the US with a change of leadership and the question of whether the new President can ride two separate if not diverging horses. [Since he has selected JF Kennedy as his VP I assume he's not going to suddenly become a wolf in sheep's clothing and seek to turn back to Jim Crow]. Also elsewhere with France facing continued opposition in Algeria and taking a very dark path and the situation far from clear in Burma and Vietnam. S Sudan I would love to see win independence earlier, especially with the religious region in charge of Egypt/N Sudan but with the former's resources that's going to be a big task, even with some indirect British support. It could also prompt greater religious tension in Africa and possibly elsewhere earlier.

Anyway looking forward to what you come up with next. :D

Steve
 

Circle of Willis

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Thank you, I enjoyed it.
Thanks for giving it a read!
Circle of Willis

A very good ride and still some interesting times ahead. Both in the US with a change of leadership and the question of whether the new President can ride two separate if not diverging horses. [Since he has selected JF Kennedy as his VP I assume he's not going to suddenly become a wolf in sheep's clothing and seek to turn back to Jim Crow]. Also elsewhere with France facing continued opposition in Algeria and taking a very dark path and the situation far from clear in Burma and Vietnam. S Sudan I would love to see win independence earlier, especially with the religious region in charge of Egypt/N Sudan but with the former's resources that's going to be a big task, even with some indirect British support. It could also prompt greater religious tension in Africa and possibly elsewhere earlier.

Anyway looking forward to what you come up with next. :D

Steve
And thank you for sticking around from the beginning & always raising interesting points in your replies! Yes - if Smathers thought threading the moderate needle while campaigning was hard enough, he's in for an even harder ride throughout the '60s. IOTL he doesn't seem to have actually been a racist in his heart of hearts (just played the part of one to remain in office), and was genuinely supportive of quite a few civil rights advances being pushed by JFK and LBJ, in particular on voting rights; so while it's unlikely that he'd attempt anything on the level of, say, the Great Society, you can count on him to not reverse the progress Dewey & Halleck have made and to especially try to build on their voting legislation. It's just that as the US enters the 1960s, so too will the demands of civil rights activists and progressives in general escalate, and the point at which Smathers will become unwilling to appease them is likely going to be lower (perhaps much lower) than Johnson's. That's probably going to really put the 'Stormy' in 'Stormy Sixties'...

As for the colonies: indeed, South Sudan is one place where British intervention can do a lot of good, and is likely to draw a glaring contrast to France's (even more) ruthless turns in Algeria. It further helps that Al-Hudaybi, as leader of the united Egypt & Sudan, is about as reasonable & peaceable as can be expected of an Islamist, and will be a lot easier to bring to the negotiation table than pretty much any other Muslim Brotherhood figure of note. Unfortunately for him, having such pacifistic leanings is also what paints a giant target on his back in the eyes of figures like Qutb, who wouldn't be nearly as easy - in fact probably downright impossible - for the Christians of South Sudan and their British backers to deal with.

I hope to see you (and everyone else who's taken the trouble to read through this thread) in my next timeline :)
 

Earl

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Thanks I enjoyed it very much, even though I have to say their have been lots of awful precadents set up that is going to lead to a worse world most likely... What with Nukes being a legitamite tool of Warfare, Stalinists in the Soviet Union, and Britian and France going to extreme lengths to keep their hold on their empires with the French going to levels verging on Genocide, suffice it to say any sequel tl will be tumultuous to say the least...
 

Circle of Willis

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Thanks I enjoyed it very much, even though I have to say their have been lots of awful precadents set up that is going to lead to a worse world most likely... What with Nukes being a legitamite tool of Warfare, Stalinists in the Soviet Union, and Britian and France going to extreme lengths to keep their hold on their empires with the French going to levels verging on Genocide, suffice it to say any sequel tl will be tumultuous to say the least...
Thank you for reading as well! Indeed, the Stormy Sixties at least will earn their name, and if Smathers & company want a happy ending to the next decade they're going to have to work for it. While at present I have no plan to go full-dystopia with DDT's future, considering what's happened to date it's going to be quite easy for things to get even uglier than they were IRL if the new President (and his counterparts in the USSR and the colonial great powers) aren't careful. Especially as the earlier and faster Soviet arms buildup under a Stalinist troika will make bluffing and threatening one's way out of crises a much costlier and even more dangerous idea than it was with the early Cold War presidents. In hindsight, the '50s under Dewey and Halleck might be perceived as a 'calm before the storm'...
 

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