Describe the American Right and how it got to where it currently is as well as its current course.

[Free-Stater 101]

Okay this is one of those questions that I think will be answered drastically different depending on who is asked and I want to have your answers.

So what is the American Right these days? How did we get to it? And where do you think its heading currently?

 

[Simonbob]

So what is the American Right these days? How did we get to it? And where do you think its heading currently?

As an Australian, I can only guess, from what I see online.

I'll throw in my 2c, though.



If I was going to sum up the US Right, I'd say two things, one is they're not remotely unified, in almost all ways. Some are religous, some are libertarian, some are trad-cons, some are former liberals who were left behind by the current Left, and many others. They are unified only in that they try to start with what is real, and they're not all that crazy.

The second? There's very few real Elites to lead it, in any meaningful way. There's a few voices, but even then, there's so many scammers, glowies, moderates and 'moderates', the "Movement" hasn't really gotten going. Lot's of average folk, not much coordination, and even attempting it can get you arrested or killed.


You got to it by the left deciding that the only way to win was to have no morals, as instructed by communist sympathisers. Power is what you need to get things done, and that's true, but the means always effects the ends. Once you start twisting perceptions of everybody for power, it sooner or later gets out of hand. Add that to the need to continue further so that there's always more power in forcing people to accept something more. Add that to the sheer power avalable to leaders, if they can contiue to ride the loons who keep pushing, well, power addiction means they need more and more twisting to satisfy their cravings......



And, while those who's insanity requred them to push, the majority of the Right just wanted to grill. Loonies can get a long way, because they're crazy, and sane people have better things to do.



Longer term, if you ignore what is real, you knock out the pillars of your society, and in the fall, all is reset in blood and pain. I think, the most likely path is something nasty.


I expect we'll go down one of 3 paths.

1) Elites win. That's a combo of tech, violence and manipulation, leading to, well, "Live in the Pod, Eat the Bugs." Not likely, Elites always are less capable than they think, and less than we average joes think. A lot of horror trying.

2) A incoming group wins. Could be Islamic, they care for, and are willing to fight for, their faith. Could be China, not many others, but it pretty much boils down to a new elite, with new ideals. Likely to be unplesant, but closer to what is real. Most likely we all become second class citizens.

3) Hilariously enough, the best as far as I can tell. The Augusto Pinochet option. A Right nasty strongman comes to power and there's horrible purges. Things get bad, but said 'Dear Leader' helps reset many things, things staibalise at a new, lower level, and given some time, the things that allowed the US to be great can be rebuilt, at least partially.




Given a few centuries, however? The sky's the limit, literally.

 

[Agent23]

The base: A mix of populist and libertarian-minded perhaps small l libertarians with a few sizable special interest groups and single issue voter groups like the Evangelicals thrown in.

The Elite "rightwing leadership": A bunch of grifters, senile old fools that live in the 90s, probably because music was decent back then and they could still get it up, Neolibs espousing socialism for the rich and interventionalism to sell more guns and protect the dollar, and neocons who are basically the same, basically socialism for the Rich and our special interest group friends, they occasionally throw some scraps to the voting base, so they are mostly cucked into pushing Willsonian bullshit for kickbacks.
And there is occasionally an honest man among them, like Pauls.


The disgruntled dissident elite: various libertarians, paleocons and other assorted America firsters.

The Ideology problem: The USA was never built on any form of ethnic or geographic lines because that was supposed to be the purview of the states, then somehow American "nationalism and patriotism" got hijacked by globalism, liberal crypto-imperialism and a bunch of lobbies, mainly because the American identity somehow got shifted into being linked to ideology rather than a people and a land/language/set of national customs.
Put simply, it is an ideological empire, just like the USSR and the various Islamic Caliphates and Crusader states, and like most such empires a favored priestly class is running the place and is extracting wealth from the populace and from any and all "religious enemies".

 

[Bacle]

The American 'Right' these days is anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders and Senator Pochantas.

More seriously, it's a loose (really, very loose) coalition of people who usually wouldn't share a party in normal times (tradcons and libertarians get along like lithium and water most of the time), but have been forced to because the other options either insane or ineffective.

The leadership of the Right are however, mostly grifters and RINOs, with rare exceptions like Rand Paul and Ron DeSantis, whic is why the American Right is mostly just controlled opposition for the entrenched Dem establishment in the State Dept and agency bureaucracies.

 

[Cherico]

Right now a loose coalition of everyone the Dems have pissed off. Conservatism is a dead movement now it's populism vrs an increasingly out of touch and delusional elite. This will most likely be the paradigm for the rest of our lives.

 

[bullethead]

Honestly, from what I can tell, the American right is basically a constantly shifting alliance of everyone who's against some form of government overreach into either the economy or society. It's mostly been a stopping block for leftist economic policies, while trying and failing to stop leftist cultural manipulation.

It seems to be shifting more towards a Judeo-Christian culture/national pride restoration movement, as explained by Yoram Hazony, author of Conservatism: A Rediscovery and The Virtue of Nationalism:

 

[Simonbob]

It seems to be shifting more towards a Judeo-Christian culture/national pride restoration movement, as explained by Yoram Hazony, author of Conservatism: A Rediscovery and The Virtue of Nationalism:

Christian, not Judeo.

The reason why Muslims fight and kill, in the West and other places, is because they hold their faith as worth fighting for. Worth killing for, and worth dying for.

We'll need Christians who care enough about their faith, and in large numbers. Nothing else has worked.

 

[ATP]

Christian, not Judeo.

The reason why Muslims fight and kill, in the West and other places, is because they hold their faith as worth fighting for. Worth killing for, and worth dying for.

We'll need Christians who care enough about their faith, and in large numbers. Nothing else has worked.

Indeed.When catholics repelled muslims in Lepanto or Vienna battles,they do not fought and win in names of Judeo,but Jesus and Mary.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

It would take a miracle for the American Right to even get rid of the RINOs that is leading the movement. These days, the difference between the Left and the Right are starting to blur, as even those sides have some issues that they can agree on. Ultimately, it all comes down to whether or not the populists or the elitists have a point. Another thing that might become a possibility would be an American analogue to Julius Caesar coming to power, and pretty much do to America what Caesar did to the Roman Republic, or rather, what Octavian did to said Republic.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Christian, not Judeo.

Indeed.When catholics repelled muslims in Lepanto or Vienna battles,they do not fought and win in names of Judeo,but Jesus and Mary.

This isn't the thread for this, so either make one, get on topic, or take a hike. Bullet is clearly using the term out of context of what you are making it out to be and you know this very well so stop nitpicking.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Republicans never cared about being for small government. They cared about being the nice guy in the drama of the back and forth between democrats and republicans, getting reelected, keeping the donations rolling in, and doing the same things as democrats. They never conserved anything. The conservatives haven't even conserved the women's bathroom. There is nothing left to conserve. Our traditional culture has been completely wiped away, destroyed, and subsumed by a heretical death cult.

The concept of conservatism was bullocks anyway. We don't want to conserve the now. We want what is good and we should be moving our culture there. We should be calling ourselves the "Optimates". We are for what is good, versus the Populares, who are for what is popular (or in the case of conservative politicians, what was acceptable 10 years ago).



The other problem with American Republicans is that they kept abiding by rules that their enemies weren't abiding by. Rules only matter if they are enforced. The left doesn't play by the rules and they don't get punished for breaking them. When Bush won the election, the Left kept trying to "recount the votes" in Florida, and adding more and more votes for Biden, until eventually the government had to step and say "no more fudging the numbers, you have to get on with it". They deposed Republicans out of office in California by rigging ballot boxes. They got abortion legalized through the Supreme Court. California didn't vote to legalize gay marriage; most people hate it. It was legalized through the courts. If you put it to a popular vote, it would lose, and the left knows that. That's why they are trying to change people's attitudes through ideas, but until an idea becomes popular, they must fight through underhanded tactics.

Speaking of which, the Republicans allowed America's institutions for conditioning people (public schools, academia, and the entertainment industry) to fall into the laps of their enemies uncontested. Guess who is using those institutions to condition generations into accepting disgusting values? The Right won't "win" until they take action and start actually playing by using the same tactics as their enemies.

 

[Bassoe]

The modern mainstream American conservative movement is a complete failure. All it actually attempts to conserve are the bank accounts of the campaign-donating plutocrats who actually run things and the spotless criminal records of the politicians being blackmailed with secret home movies from Epstein Island. The politics it passes are directly destructive to the ideologies it claims to support.

Policy:	Claimed consequences:	Actual consequences:
Free trade and globalism.	Everyone will get richer.	All jobs gone in a zero-sum competition against literal slave labor for minimal salary and worker protections. Foreigners now monopolize vital resources and manufacturing so they can attack us (Saudi Arabia) or threaten to drag us into apocalyptic war with a rival nuclear superpower to defend them (Taiwan).
Not letting the wealthy do whatsofuckingever they like will spontaneously transform society into the Soviet Union.	If we don't allow the wealthy unlimited authority, we'll end up living in an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship where we own nothing, have no control over politics and the goverment has a fondness for gulags and genocide.	Turns out what the wealthy want to do is create a Soviet-tier authoritarian dystopia where unelected bureaucrats run everything, nobody but the ruling class owns property and following the advice of the local technocrats will lead to a genocidal famine, but ruled by them. And they're demonstrably wrong, plenty of European countries have had fully functional welfare states, as did the US during the New Deal era and none of them broke out in spontaneous gulags.
Constant unwinnable wack-a-mole against guerrilla insurgencies in countries our average citizen can't find on a map.	They'll spontaneously transform into free, western-style democracies who'll sell their oil in our currency and won't hold a grudge for our invasion massacring their friends and family.	Military-industry megacorps get rich and pay off the politicians who helped drum up business. Massive numbers of American citizens get killed or mutilated and essentially abandoned by a dysfunctional veterans administration. Victims of the invasions upset over collateral damage radicalize against us and continue the war. Constant terrorism is used as justification for violating our civil rights with endless spying, secret police, etc.

The whole movement is a puppet propped up by corporate donations to direct voters to a "conservative" party rather than letting the paleocons, nationalists and economic protectionists make an actual one. The sooner those three can take over from the standard neoconservative orthodoxy, the sooner they can start winning elections. The thing being, the party would prefer to lose elections than go against their donors and blackmailers, they get paid either way.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

The USA was never built on any form of ethnic or geographic lines because that was supposed to be the purview of the states, then somehow American "nationalism and patriotism" got hijacked by globalism, liberal crypto-imperialism and a bunch of lobbies, mainly because the American identity somehow got shifted into being linked to ideology rather than a people and a land/language/set of national customs.

Another problem is that the concept of the American as an ethnic group has never been organically developed. I'm starting to sense that this is what the Left is harping by when they say that "America is a nation founded by immigrants", in that the migrants that come to America (and to a lesser extent, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, plus the other nations in the Americas built on the legacy of colonialism) belong to the lower classes that wanted to escape from the feudalistic system in Europe. Zbigniew Brzezinski said it best in one of his books: "Anyone can become an American, but only a Chinese can be Chinese." Furthermore, Dr. E. Michael Jones had repeatedly said in most of his videos that within several generations, the only difference among the American population after assimilating is that of their religious orientation. A triple melting pot, as he often said, where down the road, it's divided into Protestants, Catholics, and Jews.

But yeah, globalism will be the killer that destroys national, ethnic, and religious identities to the point where we're all going to be nameless drones working for megacorporations while being force fed bugs, shoved into pods, or if you rebel and get angry at the oligarchs, shoved into a grave.

 

[Agent23]

Another problem is that the concept of the American as an ethnic group has never been organically developed. I'm starting to sense that this is what the Left is harping by when they say that "America is a nation founded by immigrants", in that the migrants that come to America (and to a lesser extent, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, plus the other nations in the Americas built on the legacy of colonialism) belong to the lower classes that wanted to escape from the feudalistic system in Europe. Zbigniew Brzezinski said it best in one of his books: "Anyone can become an American, but only a Chinese can be Chinese." Furthermore, Dr. E. Michael Jones had repeatedly said in most of his videos that within several generations, the only difference among the American population after assimilating is that of their religious orientation. A triple melting pot, as he often said, where down the road, it's divided into Protestants, Catholics, and Jews.

But yeah, globalism will be the killer that destroys national, ethnic, and religious identities to the point where we're all going to be nameless drones working for megacorporations while being force fed bugs, shoved into pods, or if you rebel and get angry at the oligarchs, shoved into a grave.

Yeah, except that humans are heard animals and that will never happen.
The system will collapse.

 

[Megadeath]

Indeed.When catholics repelled muslims in Lepanto or Vienna battles,they do not fought and win in names of Judeo,but Jesus and Mary.

Jesus and "Mary" were Jewish.

Yeah, except that humans are heard animals and that will never happen.
The system will collapse.

That's true, we heard them loud and clear. Also untrue, because true systemic collapse is improbable with modern information velocity.

 

[Megadeath]

To answer the question posed by the OP, the current American "right" is a disingenuous and irreconcilable reduction. As all politics are, when you try to reduce them to an oversimplied 2 party system. The idea that your stance on abortion or immigration policy is inextricably linked with your views on gun control or militarily spending is... I don't know the word, but beyond insane.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

More like the American Right is a hot mess. However, the American Left isn't far behind in becoming a hot mess as well.

Practically after Trump, the American Right might be in more of a disarray, since the Democrats could now find any excuse to batter the Republicans to a pulp.

 

[Cherico]

More like the American Right is a hot mess. However, the American Left isn't far behind in becoming a hot mess as well.

Practically after Trump, the American Right might be in more of a disarray, since the Democrats could now find any excuse to batter the Republicans to a pulp.

were in a political realinment, every ones going to be a hot mess for awhile.

And Dubya was the one who destroyed the old republican party, and right now we are in the mists of seeing it be reforged and reborn.

For democrats if you ever wondered what it was like for republicans under Dubya, Biden is pretty much your Dubya.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

In a weird way, I'd call the current American Right (it's rank and file, not its leaders for the moment) Romans of a stripe.

In order to properly defend itself from an Enlightenment that cannot stop Enlightening, they've (unwittingly or not) latched onto some far older attitudes as a new bed rock, a lot of which harkens back to the ancient Republic the Founding Fathers much admired. Liberalism has been the Achilles heel of the West, unable to counter the left, if not it's progenitor! It is a noble idea (disregarding its lack of built in "stop" function), but liberty alone is no backbone for a civilisation's beliefs.

The goal of the current Right is a strong, proud, united, lawful, and "Gods" fearing Republic that honours its ancestors and seeks to maintain its temples.

Such a doctrine can survive the storms of history.

Its enemy cannot.

Ave America, the eternal city's rightful heir. Onwards to your glory.

 

[Cherico]

You guys are doing that as well just not as fast because of the culture wide PTSD caused by the world wars