Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)

ShadowArxxy

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Corruption might not be the right word, but a judge who literally declares that *reality itself is wrong* versus the strict application of legal technicalities and that property assessments which are clearly and incontestably demonstrated to be based *on fact* are "artificial" because they don't comply with a government formula, is a judge who has no business remaining on the bench in any capacity.

And I flatly don't believe that the company's timing in this matter is merely coincidental, nor its claim of merely wishing prosperity for all. At minimum, it's creatively defining all as, "All of our shareholders, employees, and maybe customers, but certainly not those people whose existence we deem an obstacle." They literally waited until the settlers had taken up all the risk and set up all the necessary infrastructure, then sent in the lawyers. This is intolerable and the Crown should make its formal displeasure crystal clear.

In other words: the Crown literally exists for the purpose of carving out exceptions where needed. This is clearly such a situation, and requires the strongest such measures taken to stamp out a situation where profit-seeking corporations are gleefully abusing the system itself in an utterly predatory but "technically legal" manner. The rule of law may require that we not punish the corporation as harshly as it deserves, but we *absolutely* have a duty to step in and set appropriate exceptions.

(I don't, however, necessarily agree with simply using the ag world valuations, because those were intended for something else entirely and are likely to just create a new set of corner cases. We're not usually required to micro-manage an individual issue to this degree specifically because we *do have* system governments, but if we have to set up an exception system, it should be robust and systematic.)
 

ShadowArxxy

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The official formulas and calculations assumed that mineral rights had a certain minimum value, but the Skala system government showed that that was completely not the case there. Nevertheless, the regulations had no leeway for such an edge case and the courts had ruled against the system government on the grounds of essential fairness across the entire Empire.

This is exactly where the court's ruling is complete bullshit.

The judge is asserting that "essential fairness" requires that the minimum value for mineral rights be enforced regardless of uncontested factual evidence regarding the actual value of the mineral rights. The judge literally dictates that reality is wrong, and did it specifically to bankrupt millions of artisans who were "in the way" of corporate interests.

I feel like we should require Paul Arthur and his lawyers to personally dig up and present to us the minerals they claim the system government has been hiding.
 
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The Whispering Monk

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This is exactly where the court's ruling is complete bullshit.

The judge is asserting that "essential fairness" requires that the minimum value for mineral rights be enforced regardless of uncontested factual evidence regarding the actual value of the mineral rights. The judge literally dictates that reality is wrong, and did it specifically to bankrupt millions of artisans who were "in the way" of corporate interests.

I feel like we should require Paul Arthur and his lawyers to personally dig up and present to us the minerals they claim the system government has been hiding.
From what I can see, the Judge acted according to present law, exactly as a Judge should. No judge should have the power to say, "The law is wrong, and I get to make it whatever I want." That's what you're asking for.
 

ShadowArxxy

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From what I can see, the Judge acted according to present law, exactly as a Judge should. No judge should have the power to say, "The law is wrong, and I get to make it whatever I want." That's what you're asking for.

Okay, then the judge can personally dig up and present to the Crown, the minerals he claims the system government has been hiding.

Seriously though, it may not be the judge's job, but it is quite specifically the Crown's job to intervene with its sovereign authority to handle edge cases and cases where the law itself is wrong, and that's exactly why we need to step in.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Seriously though, it may not be the judge's job, but it is quite specifically the Crown's job to intervene with its sovereign authority to handle edge cases and cases where the law itself is wrong, and that's exactly why we need to step in.
That's what we're doing by voting for the Settlers of Skala. IMO, you're taking the anger way too far by headhunting within the courts, where there is NO EVIDENCE of wrongdoing.
 

ShadowArxxy

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That's what we're doing by voting for the Settlers of Skala. IMO, you're taking the anger way too far by headhunting within the courts, where there is NO EVIDENCE of wrongdoing.

I said it should be fully investigated by trusted outside authorities (ours) because the ruling is so unconscionably extreme, not that the judge should be immediately fed to the grifftigers.
 

The Whispering Monk

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I said it should be fully investigated by trusted outside authorities (ours) because the ruling is so unconscionably extreme, not that the judge should be immediately fed to the grifftigers.
Point.

However, your statements are extremely hyperbolic.

Though, haven't we had the whole thing investigated already?
 

ShadowArxxy

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Though, haven't we had the whole thing investigated already?

Depends on how you interpret what we've *implicitly* done in character. As far as explicitly written out material, we've only had a failed attempt at a heart-to-heart meeting with the people in charge of the various factions, where the megacorp CEO has expressed that he fully intends to drag the entire planet kicking and screaming all the way to a fully industrialized Core World with no artisans, and the other sides have expressed equal unwillingness to compromise.
 
Turn 96 - That Was So Middle Ages, That Was So Charlemagne

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Turn 96 - That Was So Middle Ages, That Was So Charlemagne

Admiral Fisher and Admiral Sims come to visit you at your office, which is usually a sign that you are about to want to toss a certain cantankerous naval officer through the Tyler Lee Memorial Defenestration Window. Admiral Fisher, however, earns himself at least temporary forbearance by bringing cookies for your daughter, who’s playing in your office while you handle paperwork.

“We’ve settled on a Black Tower design, but it’s going to be incredibly expensive unless we want to take forever deploying them.” He starts out bluntly, like usual, completely forgetting about minor, inefficient, things like ‘titles’ and ‘civility’. “We built it as a modular platform, 2 million tons total mass, with an integrated repair dock and recharge facility to make it as flexible as possible. For the future we are intending to also use these as forward line of communication bases, thus they have full HPG facilities, but we did limit their fighter complement to a single wing in order to maximize endurance.”

He brings up an image, showing an enormous station that looks like an enormously armored and armed version of the O’Neill Cylinders that are popping up all around the Empire.
NameCostMaterialsHPA/DSpecials
Black Tower Heavy Defense Station$4,580,013,000.00DHS, FCA75354075
  • Armored 336
  • Capital AMS 360
  • Capital Missile 60
  • Capital
    • 3/996
    • 4/11,024
  • Command 6
  • Counts as an HPG station

“For initial deployment we intend to limit these to one per system, they are too expensive and the demand for them will be enormous. Once we’ve fully deployed them then we’ll be able to go back and build additional ones per system. We intend to base Heavy Carrier Wings on them, on the grounds of desiring maximum flexibility for what may well be extended independent deployments. The stations have more than sufficient flex cargo space to carry sufficient supplies and fuel for such things.”

In regards to the Skala situation. A&S accepts your decision without protest and begins the process of winding down their investments in the Skala system, intending to do so gracefully in a manner that causes the least amount of disruption to the local economy. You breathe a sigh of relief that things were defused so gracefully rather than exploding in your face.

You relaxed too soon. Despite the presence of IGMP and Special Branch personnel, and the manifest fact that they ‘won’, the local artisans seem to be in a very vindictive and vengeful mood. Not satisfied with simply driving the corporation out, attacks seem to increase on A&S personnel and those locals who’d been employed by the corporation. Local law enforcement, along with the IGMP, do their best to handle the situation but it rapidly spirals out of control. While the rioters are quickly arrested, especially when they get violent, the local jails are soon filled to capacity, and the riots only grow worse. It seems the locals don’t want A&S to merely leave them alone, they want to humiliate and destroy them in a massive anti-corporate fervor that is, quite frankly, rather disturbing.

A&S takes a step you’d hoped to avoid, they pull out completely, sending in chartered dropships to withdraw every one of their employees, both local and immigrant, from the system in a company chartered evacuation. They also dig in their heels legally, demanding full remuneration for all damages and expenses related to this entire debacle before transferring title to their properties to the system government for auction to the artisans. They additionally have filed lawsuits against the Imperial and system government, alleging failure to respect the rights of their employees and their families to be secure in their persons and property by the system and Imperial governments.

Quite a few other major corporations are expressing concerns that the Empire seems to consider their employees and their families to be second-tier citizens, worthy of fewer rights than non corporate employees and their families. They cite the fact that at every turn the Empire seems to side against corporate interests, and even when a company plays by all of the rules, like A&S did, they still wind up getting the smelly side of the stick from a hostile Imperial government the instant non-corporate interests make the slightest objection and that once this happens the Imperial government then proceeds to allow the people who work for the company to be targeted by hateful mobs. It’s grossly unfair, of course, considering that the IGMP is arresting and prosecuting the mobs in question, but the media is now jumping on this with both feet.

The situation is incredibly volatile, and with a sinking sensation you realize you’ll need to take further action to actually resolve things.

Skala is an anarchic mess, the local authorities are struggling to maintain even the illusion of control of the situation, the jails are completely full and the local garrison is building temporary jails to house rioters. The violence has spread outside of industrial areas and is now targeting commercial and tourist areas. More IGMP units have been deployed, and an Infantry Brigade has also been sent in to try and clamp down on the mobs.

Worse, many people outside of Skala are questioning whether or not this sort of thing will spread, as anarcho-socialist groups are beginning to spew anti-corporate agitprop. So far nothing serious has broken out, but tensions are rising fast.
[]ActionArgumentEffect
[]Send in the Imperial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.The situation is completely out of hand and a strong statement needs to be made. These anarchists are threatening the very foundation of the Empire. Ironically many of the artisans involved in the initial situation are now being victimized by the mobs themselves. This must be ended.

The Imperial Guard being deployed will send an unmistakable statement that the Empire is one of laws, not chaos and anarchy. These rioters need to be rounded up and, after a fair and just trial, shot. Anything less makes a mockery of being ‘Just’ as it becomes obvious that some people have greater rights than others.
  • Skala System
    • -50% GDP this turn
    • Base GDP growth of 0% for next 5 turns
    • -10% POP this turn
    • Base POP growth of 0% for next 5 turns
    • No external immigration for next 5 turns
  • Empire Wide
    • -1 success on Approval rolls for 5 turns
    • -1 success on Economy rolls for 5 turns
  • -30 Approval
  • Ends event
[]Side with the rioters and nationalize all industry and commerceDown with the corporations! Seize all of their assets, imprison all of their leaders, nationalize everything, and crush the tyranny of capitalism beneath your heel!

Anybody involved in the corporate world is subhuman trash who desires only to profit off of others and must be mercilessly crushed, root and branch. Only then can a truly equitable system rise up as the proletariat gain their rightful place! Slaughter them all! No mercy for Corporate Scum! Death to all capitalists!
  • Empire Wide
    • All planets
      • -10% GDP next 10 turns
      • Base GDP growth set to -10% for next 10 turns
      • Base POP growth set to -10% for next 10 turns
      • 40% chance of rebellion each year for next 10 years
  • -30 Approval

It is against this backdrop that the annual budget meetings take place, much to your relief although judging by the nervous expressions of your advisors they don’t share that feeling. You really can’t blame them for that. This is an utter debacle. You’d use stronger language but you are trying hard to not do that in order to set a good example for your kids.

General Jenkins is up first. “Your Majesty, while things are fraught at the moment, we still have external threats as well to deal with.” He is unusually grim for him. “That being said, General Bradley?”

General Bradley takes the podium, also looking quite serious. “The Army is continuing our reorganization efforts, Your Majesty, but the Imperial Guard is available if needed. We will also be requesting additional production capacity in anticipation of the results of this reorganization.”

She brings up the display of the budget request.
  • Imperial Griffon Army
    • Production
      • Conventional Military Factories
        • 1 Nowy Wrocław
        • 5 New Phoenix
        • 5 New Pollux
        • 5 New Castor
        • 5 Edelsteine
      • Strategic Materials
        • Upgrade all DHS factories
          • Under reorganization, with all current production plus 1 Battlemech Division, total DHS consumed - 2081, total produced 2980, leaving a margin for additional consumption of 899
        • Upgrade all Endosteel Factories
          • Under reorganization, 1 Battlemech Division would consume 900 Endosteel, current production is 1888, giving a margin of 988. This is thus lower priority but still desired
        • Upgrade all Ferrofibrous Factories
          • Under reorganization, 1 Infantry Division will consume 1548 Ferrofibrous. Current production is 1966, giving a margin of 418, insufficient for the procurement of more than 1 Infantry Division per year
    • Procurement
      • 30 Garrison Rating
      • 30 Militia Rating

General Romanov is up next. “Your Majesty, with the new Black Tower stations being finally available we would like to build up a buffer of units for them, as well as reinforcing our various garrisons across the Empire.”
  • Imperial Griffon Aerospace Force
    • Procurement
      • 30 Heavy Fighter Wing
      • 30 Heavy Carrier Wing
        • For future Black Tower stations
      • 30 Medium Fighter Wing

Admiral Fisher is up next, with Admiral Sims beside him like a shadow as always. “I get it, shit is happening, whoop de do. The navy needs more hulls, more production, and I intend for it to get what it needs so those Black Steel bastards will get worse than a bloody nose the next time they stick their ugly dicks in our face.”
  • Imperial Griffon Navy
    • Production
      • Upgrade all Orbital Shipyards
      • Upgrade all Refit & Repair Stations
      • Construct Orbital Shipyard
        • Iskra
        • Catachan
        • Raj
        • Bohren
        • Feurstem
        • Pinball
      • Construct Escort Yard
        • Bari
        • Chuma
        • Griff’s Leap
        • New Castor
        • Nowy Slask
        • Nowy Wrocław
        • Pieklo
        • Kaiyo
        • Skala
        • Awha
      • Small Warship Yard
        • New Port Royal
        • Edelsteine
        • Nya Kopenhamn
        • Kainga
        • New Pollux
        • Okusawa
        • New Phoenix
      • Medium Warship Yard
        • Calliope
        • Griffon
        • Nowa Warszawa
        • New Capricorn
    • Fortifications
      • Black Tower
        • Griffon
        • Calliope
        • New Capricorn
        • Nowy Slask
        • Nowa Warszawa
    • Procurement
      • Regular Dropships
        • 100 Bainbridge-class Parasite Destroyer
        • 35 Long Beach-class Parasite Destroyer
      • Large Dropships
        • 23 Meteor-class Parasite Missile Battleship
        • 46 Aetna-class Parasite Missile Battleship
        • 2 Canopus-class Parasite Battleship
      • Jumpship
        • 7 Windjammer
      • Escorts
        • 20 Fubuki-class Destroyer
        • 30 Lyr-class Corvette
      • Small Warships
        • 26 Dido-class Light Cruiser
      • Medium Warships
        • 10 Prinz Eugen-class Heavy Cruiser

Elizabeth Lee is looking rather frazzled. Considering the troubles facing the Empire you can understand that, given that she is closely associated with the Lee family, much like you are now that you think of it.

“Your Majesty, we have six DoME teams available, full economic teams, and one good colonization target this year despite… everything.” She takes a deep breath, settling herself.

“To start with, due to the growth in the Empire the investments and costs of economic projects have gone up substantially, simply due to the far greater scale that they need to cover. Thankfully they have also become somewhat simpler to handle, so hopefully things will balance out with fewer delays.” She brings up the chart.
  • Economic Investment & Focus
    • Core
      • Focus
        • Calliope IV
      • Major Investment
        • New Port Royal
    • Periphery
      • Focus
        • Chuma
      • Major Investment
        • Kaiyo
    • Investment
      • Okusawa

“The Nox system is ripe for colonization and would give us a solid buffer against any expansionism from the Bourbons if they discover the existence of the system.”

She consults her notes. “For DoME we have the following, Your Majesty.”
  • DoME Projects
    • System Optimization (required)
      • New Port Royal
    • Other
      • Terraform Iskra - Stage 0
      • Terraform Raj - Stage 0
      • Terraform Catachan - Stage 0
      • Terraform Feurstem - Stage 0
      • Terraform Pinball - Stage 0

Leila is off at the Olympics, well away from all of this chaos. Good for her.

Tiberius is off trying to calm Parliament down, but he sends you a memo recommending that you undertake an extensive public relations campaign in an attempt to repair your image across the Empire. It’ll take a lot of time, but things are pretty bad right now.

Grace Lee is up next. “We only have one research team ready to go, Your Majesty, so we recommend having them research something that might make people happier, namely Life Extension Therapy.”

Both General Messerschmidt and your Justice Minister are off dealing with the fallout from the situation on Skala.

You do manage to take some time to look at the news out of the Olympics. It is unfortunate that the entire Skala situation is so messy, because your athletes on Nova Roma are doing amazingly well now.

Team Griffon demonstrates utter and complete dominance in wrestling and archery, and split gold medals with the NRR in fencing. Likewise, in the naked volleyball events your teams completely crush the competition into fine paste and gruel, not losing a single set across the competition.

The Men’s soccer team is bitterly disappointed after losing the bronze medal game on penalty kicks. Conversely the Women’s team manages to barely win their bronze medal game, also on penalty kicks. Soccer is just not something you seem all that great at.

The baseball tournament comes down to a 19 inning shootout between Team Griffon and the NRI, which the NRI finally manage to win by a single run. The game is incredibly intense, with amazing performances by both teams. It was a well deserved win by the NRI.

In the softball tournament Team Griffon manages to prevail in a series of close games, taking home the gold medal on run differential.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
Send in the Imperial Guard to crush the riots on Skala
[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
 

AlphaOmega

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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
 

apollo92

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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
 

darkcloudt2

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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.

Special Branch is already present and should be able to look into anything suspicious without being specifically tasked.
 

Thors_Alumni

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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
 

foolswriter

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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
 

Yacovo

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[X] Send in the Imperial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.

Ok, giving people what they were promised by the system government is one thing. But these guys went into active rebellion against the government that ruled in their favor. All because they do not get to abuse and humiliate those who were already leaving them alone.

We might be the champion of the weak, but we are also the Just, which means lynch mobs get met with armed force just like when the Poles tried to hang the Dracs and vice versa back in the day.
 

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