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ShadowArxxy - Semi-Canon Omake - WAY too heavy

ShadowArxxy

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"This is the most amazing thing ever!"

"Nope, it's too heavy."

"It's a pulse laser!"

"The previous three Star League infantry rifles were also pulse lasers, kid. Pulse laser tech is pretty much standard for laser small arms because of the power efficiency advantages. The only reason our laser small arms aren't pulse that all the plans, tooling, and know-how went kaboom."

"It's also a multi shot repeating grenade launcher!" The intern's enthusiasm was absolutely undimmed. "And the survival kit is brilliant!"

"
It's too heavy, and the survival kit makes it worse."

"You keep saying that, but the Star League Defense Force used these for decades. And there's plenty of historical examples of infantry weapons in this weight range."

The senior researcher gave a long-suffering sigh. "Those were squad weapons, and they were still. . . you know what, grab that mock-up you've been drooling over and follow me."

"Where are we going?"

"Just follow me."

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"This is the university sports track."

"Yes. Start running. Don't forget your rifle."

"Uh...."

"Don't forget your rifle!"

The intern ran. The senior researcher cheerfully reflected that being medically retired and out of practice had not significantly diminished her Drill Sergeant roar.

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"Ow, ow, ow, ow ow ARGH!"

"I told you it was too heavy."

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(Much, much later. . . )

"We've managed to reduce the weight on the prototype M-960B down to 7.5 kilos and significantly improve the balance and ergonomics compared to the original. Specifically, we've removed the survival pack, separated the laser battery from the grenade magazine and moved it to the stock where the survival pack used to be, and changed the grenade magazine to a double-stack configuration with four rounds instead of six."

"Still too heavy." Somewhere in the back of the lab, a former intern sneezed violently.

"Bringing it even lower is going to be extremely difficult. About the only place we could possibly shave more weight is the outer casing. Hmmm, perhaps if we used endo-steel in the most critical areas, and made aggressive use of lightweight polymers in non-load-bearing areas. . . "
 
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kashim3

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Heh lol at least he wasn't doing it in full combat gear with a pack otherwise he would really be screaming

honestly Kelgar I think your right on the M-960 being intended for a Mainline Nighthawk suit and the Star-league bureaucracies just putting it out for the infantry just to save time or something.
 

Ridli Scott

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I always considered that giving it was said that the SLDF pilots had some kind of strength-enhancement exoskeletons maybe the infantry has some kind of basic system like that outside the PAL systems. Something that allows them to carry a 10.5 kg rifle without problem.

If not, I will call the M 960 tabletop game creator bullshit.
 

PeaceMaker 03

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Drop the grenade launcher off the pulse rifle, and make the grenade launcher a stand alone weapon system, intergraded with a light carbine of some type like a FN P90 as a back up weapon.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Drop the grenade launcher off the pulse rifle, and make the grenade launcher a stand alone weapon system, intergraded with a light carbine of some type like a FN P90 as a back up weapon.

There's a reason the U.S. Army has been chasing a multishot grenade launcher + rifle combination for almost sixty years at this point. While getting the weight down to an acceptable level is very difficult, having multishot explosive capability on every infantryman is a significant game changer.

Note that even in canon BTech terms, the Federated Suns' M42B infantry rifle combines a rifle *and* a grenade launcher at just 6 kg. So it absolutely is doable with BTech materials tech; it's just the Mauser weighs stupidly much.

Edit: I may have made it too subtle, but my omake was meant to hint at the theory that the 960 was meant for power armor and/or infantry exosuits, with a super-thick, super-durable casing (even beyond the typical "Ragnarok proof" levels of BTech stuff in general) that is compatible with augmented strength.
 
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PeaceMaker 03

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There's a reason the U.S. Army has been chasing a multishot grenade launcher + rifle combination for almost sixty years at this point. While getting the weight down to an acceptable level is very difficult, having multishot explosive capability on every infantryman is a significant game changer.

Note that even in canon BTech terms, the Federated Suns' M42B infantry rifle combines a rifle *and* a grenade launcher at just 6 kg. So it absolutely is doable with BTech materials tech; it's just the Mauser weighs stupidly much.

Edit: I may have made it too subtle, but my omake was meant to hint at the theory that the 960 was meant for power armor and/or infantry exosuits, with a super-thick, super-durable casing (even beyond the typical "Ragnarok proof" levels of BTech stuff in general) that is compatible with augmented strength.

Better off with rifle grenades which allows you to tailor to mission.

the French came up with a rifle grenade that uses normal ammo, and shoots through the grenade to launch. No need to change out to blank/ wooden bullet, or the bullet trap( made by lowest bidder placed in front of HE.... no thanks).
That would be the easy option with normal firearms. With laser rifle possible rifle grenade with burn through detonation should be possible.

The FS 6kg rifle is doable, but is a weapon system able to change to situation/need.
 
ShadowArxxy - NON CANON (but funny) Omake... Biggest Stick

ShadowArxxy

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This one is a *absolutely not even remotely canon* omake set many, many, many decades later. . .

"This is Admiral Halsey of the New Terran Federation Navy, broadcasting from the WarShip USS Semper Fidelis. Since you lot have seen fit to not only leave the Star League decapitated for the last FIVE HUNDRED YEARS or so, but also allow the DAMNED PHONE COMPANY to overthrow the rightful government of the Terran Hegemony, we have decided that we -- as loyal citizens of the Star League and the Hegemony -- are putting our feet down. Really, we just went on vacation for a few decades, and THIS is what we come home to?"

Kerensky's liberation of Terra had been the largest and bloodiest military operation in human history, involving a thousand WarShips carrying over a hundred divisions of BattleMechs and supporting troops facing off against the largest and most capable automated drone fleet ever fielded.

The New Terran Federation liberation of Terra was an anticlimactically small military operation, involving just three WarShips facing off against very, very bad language from an outraged Comstar Precentor who continued to insist that they were NOT AUTHORIZED TO LAND DROPSHIPS! As the poor Precentor had all of zero WarShips and zero functional surface-to-space defenses to respond with, the battleship Semper Fidelis and her two oversized cruiser-carrier companions cheerfully settled into Earth orbit and began deploying their parasite craft.

Alas, frantic priority HPG calls to every Great House were met with annoyed disbelief. After all, it was a well known fact that NO ONE had WarShips anymore, and even if some impossibly lucky person had stumbled upon the ultimate in lostech finds, no WarShip had EVER had more than twenty-five DropShip collars. It was therefore absolutely inconceivable that a power that no one had ever heard of had somehow gotten its hands on *multiple* fully functional WarShips of completely unknown classes, larger than anything in the Star League's records and capable of blotting out the sky with nearly a hundred DropShips of also-never-before-seen types.

Absolutely inconceivable, and clearly a very bad prank. The only worse joke would be if Kerensky came back with an even bigger army than he left with.

Elsewhere, the Precentor ROM fell over.
 
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kelgar04

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I'd be careful with rifle grenades set up and firing can be really awkward to do as well as aiming. Not sure how well though the would work with an energy rifle though,
 

ShadowArxxy

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I'd be careful with rifle grenades set up and firing can be really awkward to do as well as aiming. Not sure how well though the would work with an energy rifle though,

There's a reason that no credible modern military choses to use rifle grenades as anything other than specialist tools.

The French use legacy rifle grenades (the APAV40 dates back to 1956) primarily because their FAMAS assault rifle is not compatible with modern 40mm underbarrel grenade launchers.
 
Turn 19 - Advisors

LordSunhawk

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You grimace as you look over the papers. A recession, a damn recession. The shipping industry was still badly disrupted and this was having a severe effect on the economy. Sure, the immediate crisis had been dealt with, but you needed to consider acting to reduce future occurrences.

Unfortunately this is going to have a significant effect long term irregardless of whatever steps you take. Multiple bad years in a row and the economic upheaval resulting from the popping of several bubbles is causing the overall economic stability to fray a bit. Nothing too serious, but you will have to be more cautious at times when making decisions. If you manage a number of good years in a row this may well reverse itself, but you can’t be certain of that.

Janet, at least, has some good news for you. Alita appears to be exactly what your initial impression of the girl was, a good kid from a solid if not wealthy family. She’s actually in Jeremy’s school, although not in his class, and regularly competes with him for top honors academically. The mother, as you were already aware, owns a commercial construction firm, her father works for the post office.

Janet had snuck a peak at his employee file and she informs you that he’d turned down a number of promotion opportunities in order to keep his family in the same place so that his wife could continue to run and grow her business. You both agree that this speaks well of the man that he’s willing to stay in a fairly low status job just so his wife can shine.

So you decide to simply let things proceed as they will. If this relationship proves to have legs, then Alita would be a fine daughter-in-law, and if not she has the look of a fine young citizen of Griffin’s Roost.

Win-Win.

Obviously your little man gets his wonderful taste in such things from you. Although you were willing to concede that Willis also had excellent taste. OK, maybe it was a team thing, but you are quite proud of Jeremy.

Ultimately you decide that spending a bit extra on the new IFV in order to maximize offensive and defensive capability was worthwhile. You aren’t the keenest on how the turret looks, but overall the vehicle you select more than meets the requirements.

You finance the purchase and equipping of two mechanized infantry regiments out of the funds from the airship routes, with the excess coming from the reserve funds. Both units have stood up and are beginning training.

The Castor/Pollux Scouting Force has been folded into the Mine Security Force. The simplified logistics will have benefits long term, but for now it simply eases the officer shortages you’ve started experiencing which possibly led to the debacle with the RRF.

Speaking about that, the courts-martial had sat and found that ultimately the fault could be best laid down at the systemic level rather than on any one individual. You signed off on a long list of procedural improvements but ultimately you’ll probably need to organize a systematic review of all procurement and operational processes in order to find and disarm any more such ‘bombs’ waiting to go off. It would be extremely expensive, as it would require significant effort from a fairly large team, plus would require industry buy-in at points in order to change procurement methods.

Factions in Parliament, of course, had to stick their nose into things. A bill has passed with bare majorities in both houses which would impose an additional 5% surtax on ‘luxuries’ and a 10% surtax on ‘sinful services.’ with the money to be used for anti-drug, anti-prostitution and anti-alcohol campaigns, with the ultimate endgame being total bans on all three.

[] Agree - +10 support in Lords and Commons, -20 Stability, -50 Stability Change, Tax Rate changes to 15% with all associated growth penalties. Gives modifier ‘Pending Prohibition’, +5 Health
[] Disagree - -10 support in Lords and Commons, gives modifier ‘Prohibition Rejected’

Some geologists at the university publish a paper warning that it is possible that at some point the long thought extinct volcanic caldera at the center of the sub-continent that Griffsport is located on may reawaken, citing seismic studies showing a growing ‘hot spot’ in the mantle underneath the volcano and reanalysis of geologic data showing that this particular volcano has very long periods of inactivity between eruptions.

This paper is hotly disputed at this point, as there is very little evidence either way, however geological studies are now underway and in a few years may have more information. Estimates are that the soonest an eruption could happen would be in hundreds if not thousands of years pretty much push this to very low priority.

And thus begins your favorite time of year. Not tax time, you hate tax time, but budget wrangling time! The sport of Governments everywhere! Fighting over who gets what money, yay!

This year you make Jeremy sit in on the meetings with you, despite how boring you expect them to be. He needs to start learning.

General Potter is a crafty old officer, though, and takes shameless advantage over you being slightly distracted in order to ‘Pull Something’™. You find yourself braced to attention as the old coot pins new rank pins on your shoulders. You can’t tell what he promoted you to, but Sergeant-Major Ngo is snickering, so you know it’s bad. Jeremy is also stifling giggles, and by the way the old general gives him a high-five you realize that the two of them set you up.

Obviously this is because of your loving husband.

It takes you a bit, but you manage to figure out that the old man has pinned colonel’s insignias on your shoulders, damn him.

Of course, he then just has to get serious before you can adequately express your displeasure by having him given the Tyler treatment.

That sobers you for a moment, Tyler is still alive in retirement, but his health is visibly fading quickly.

“Your Majesty.” comes the rumbling voice. “We have several direct priorities within the military, and several things that will be covered in Ms Doyle’s presentation. Thanks to the purchase of those IFVs we are in solid shape at the moment in terms of ground forces. What we now need is to complete the Annex so we can maximize our training capabilities. In addition, with the results of that recent unpleasantness with the RRF we really should take the time to do a top down review of everything, clear out any deadwood and make sure that policies, procedures, and training are all working together smoothly. I do not recommend any serious expansion of our forces at this time, beyond a further lance of mechs for the Cadre.”

He takes a sip of his water. “Now that the Cadre has a full strength mechanized regiment available, I believe it would be appropriate to make them responsible for general garrison work on Capricorn, with the existing garrison shifted to Castor. 1st Armored would remain in Griffsport and the RRF would be available to shift to cover any of the continents.”

Bridget pipes up cheerfully “We can do two big things first we can expand the space station which will be really expensive but we’ll badly need it if we’re going to continue research and it will give us many more options for space activities we also should build some more factories like one for goshawks and another for the new dropships and maybe get the research crews to work on spheroid dropships so that we can have them to because they make for excellent cargo haulers both for civil and military use and that could become really important because troops and tanks are just really special cargo when you think about it we also could start really exploiting Castor and building cities at resource nodes plus starting to build infrastructure and if the fortification work that the General is working on finishes soon that will extend automatically to the new settlements and that would really help people feel safe which is very important for productivity.”

One… long… sentence. You are certain she never even paused to breath. It’s exhausting.

Luckily you have a cup of Janet’s coffee to help reduce the blood levels in your caffeine system.

Dr Young smiles at that, patting Bridget’s hand, then addresses you. “We stand ready to start advertising for colonists to Castor, your Majesty, beyond that, the anti-drug campaign is available as well.”

Professor Chapman is over on Castor at the moment overseeing final touches on the new government buildings. “We don’t have all that much on this end, Your Majesty, beyond being ready to start building out government structures over on Pollux when the port finally finishes.”

Dr Palmer is her usual ebullient self. “Your Majesty, we still have so many things to research! Spheroid Dropships is a big one, also reverse engineering that suitcase nuke, and don’t get me started on Ferro-Fibrous Armor and Endo-Steel! Oh, and the cannons too!”

Harry Owens just sends you a note from where he is overseeing the interrogations “Intelligence has nothing to recommend at this time.”

Janet, bless her, has plenty of coffee for you and hot chocolate for Jeremy. “Well, I got a few options for you” she says cheerfully. “Biggie is extending law and order to Castor and later Pollux, something we really need to do unless we want crime to blow up into a big problem.”
 

ShadowArxxy

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[X] Write-In: We are willing to sign off the tax on luxury goods, but exercise a line-item veto on a sin tax.

It takes you a bit, but you manage to figure out that the old man has pinned colonel’s insignias on your shoulders, damn him.

[Vader] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
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Jarow

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[X] Disagree - -10 support in Lords and Commons, gives modifier ‘Prohibition Rejected’
-50 stab change, net -45 stab (-20% + -5%*5 from tax change)

[X] Plan: Constructing the future
-[X] Military 5 [$23124]
--[X] Build Fortifications lvl 2* [75]
--[X] Advanced Tactical Training Annex - Infantry Training Center [75]
--[X] Advanced Tactical Training Annex - Dropship Crew Training Center [75]
(Finish Aerie level)
--[X] Procurement and Operational Procedure Review and Rationalization [->1]
(Less training failure, will help recruitment go smoothly)
--[X] Recruit Ambush Light Mech Lance for Aerie Cadre, Gyrfalcon flight for Aeroforce [60/unit]

-[X]Interior 5 [$8100]
--[X] Establish Harbor on Pollux* [60]
--[X] Planetary Resource Survey* [auto]
--[X] Build infrastructure on Castor [->4]
(Next step towards complex, growth+defenses)
--[X] Establish Cities to exploit resource areas (Castor 1) [->1]
(gdp growth)
--[X] Build Dropship Factory Griffsport [95]
(Begin system exploration, better defended continent)

-[X] Diplomatic 3 [$11100]
--[X] Increased funding for the arts [70]
--[X] Advertise for colonists to Castor [60]
(Growth)
--[X] Appeal for calm in light of labor-management disputes [85]
(blue #1)

-[X] Political 3 [$11100]
--[X] Hold town hall forums on labor relations [85]
(blue #2)
--[X] Improve Infrastructure
(More unit production, little used slot)

-[X] Research 3 [$22000]
--[X] Reverse Engineer DEST Infiltration Suit* [auto]
--[X] Improved Communications Lvl 2* [auto]
--[X] LOSTECH - Industrial Exoskeletons lvl 3 [->1]
(Aerospace upkeep reduction - important to have before dropship)
--[X] Human Genome Project [->4]
(Good stuff supposedly hides behind this)

-[X] Intelligence 3 [$50]
--[X] Counterintelligence Surveillance [?]
--[X] Interrogate POWs* [65]

-[X] Justice 2 [$11000]
--[X] Establish Royal Grifftiger Mounted Police* [->2]
--[X] Meet with Business Leaders and Union Leaders to discuss labor laws [75]
(Last non-interior blue action)

-[X] Training [$3281]
--[X] RRF [80]
--[X] 1st Armored Division [80]
 

kelgar04

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[X] Disagree - -10 support in Lords and Commons, gives modifier ‘Prohibition Rejected’
-50 stab change, net -45 stab (-20% + -5%*5 from tax change)

[X] Plan: Constructing the future
 
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kashim3

Texan, Mandalorian, Alabamian.
[X] Disagree - -10 support in Lords and Commons, gives modifier ‘Prohibition Rejected’
-50 stab change, net -45 stab (-20% + -5%*5 from tax change)

[X] Plan: Constructing the future
 

edofthesquid

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[X] Disagree - -10 support in Lords and Commons, gives modifier ‘Prohibition Rejected’
-50 stab change, net -45 stab (-20% + -5%*5 from tax change)

[X] Plan: Constructing the future
 

ShadowArxxy

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Sequel to the totally-not-canon omake. Comstar logic!

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"How in Blake's blessed name is this HAPPENING?" The Primus' voice was more than a shade hysterical. "Who ARE these people, where are they COMING from, and above all, HOW DID WE MISS THEM!?!?! This is exactly what Operation Holy Shroud was intended to prevent!"

"There wasn't anything to see. Jumping independently through deep space is a standard tactic for full-fledged WarShips, and the only thing that could have stopped them would have been repairing Terra's SDS to at least limited functionality."

The Precentor ROM did not need to add that this had been long since rejected out of hand as potentially exposing Comstar's less public aspects, not to mention stupendously expensive and clearly unnecessary in light of the fact that no Great House had even a single functional WarShip left since the Second Succession War. Indeed, ensuring Comstar's safety and necessary primacy as the sole guardian of Star League technology was the main reason the Succession Wars had been permitted to run rampant. The collateral damage from that was deeply regrettable, but at the same time illustrated its own necessity.

There was a long, uncomfortable silence; the Precentors of the First Circuit were still entirely too dazed by the sudden and completely unexpected events to respond as they normally would have. Precentor ROM shifted slightly and then continued.

"No Great House could have so completely concealed the diversion of resources on such a scale from us, and no lesser power could possibly *have* resources of such magnitude in the first place. As such, these vessels must represent a Star League lostech find, most likely an SDS-style automated yard maintaining next-generation prototype designs for the SLDF Navy. The total lack of lighter escort vessels which would normally accompany a line squadron of heavy WarShips such as these is a strong indicator that this is an isolated lostech find -- one of stupendous magnitude, but still only a single find. And while the symbolic value of Terra is incalculable, it is ultimately only of symbolic value."

This was, of course, true; even in the days of Blessed Blake himself, the First Circuit had included the Precentor of *New* Terra, but not the Precentor of Terra. But Comstar's safety -- and through it the only true hope for all humanity -- rested primarily on its unassailable neutrality, and in that sense any assault on any Terran system, much less the ancient homeworld itself, was a catastrophic threat.

Comstar must respond decisively; and yet Comstar could not. The First Circuit debated long into the night, but could come to no conclusion other than quietly ramping up the naval elements of the Com Guard and even more quietly sending trusted operatives to evaluate the potential repair of SDS networks outside of Terra.
 
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