Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)

Artifex

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Personally I really do not see any particular need to change our current paradigm for space combat ... the only thing we really could improve would probably to mandate everyone to not go into combat under pressure in order to reduce the damage spread into neighbouring sections of the ships - see Ngo-Verse space combat doctrine.

Considering that we cannot yet build warships in the battleship-tonnage range I feel like we acquitted ourselves better than expected.
 

Trashman.exe

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[X] Continue building a balanced fleet using the current design paradigm

I refuse to make the mistake of the SLDF of Warships having no anti-ASF capabilities and removing our ability deal with the deal with the drone dropships.
 

Culsu

Agent of the Central Plasma
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[X] Continue building a balanced fleet using the current design paradigm
Really seems like the least bad option right now.

Edit: How about we try to bridge the gap by building monitors for the core system?
 
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Detlef

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[X] Continue building a balanced fleet using the current design paradigm

Any light cruiser design (680,000 tons) that is
a) fast enough (safe thrust 2g?) and
b) heavily armored to survive one or two broadsides of a McKenna and
c) carries enough heavy capital naval weapons in one sector (nose?) to threaten the armor of a McKenna
has a real problem carrying enough weapons in other sectors plus carry enough supplies.
It would be a severely limited design. Essentially useless for anything else.

Having said that what is the current situation / technology with capital missiles and nuclear warheads?
We might perhaps be able to build a "missile cruiser" that could saturate the missile defenses of a McKenna with nuclear missiles? And function as a dedicated anti-ASF / anti-dropship cruiser in other engagements?
Such a cruiser would still have enough tonnage left for other weapons and supplies.
 

Trashman.exe

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A decent example of those type of ships is the Imperial 1-class Star Destroyer from Star Wars, though ASFs won’t be dangerous to Warships excluding kamikazes that doesn’t mean Dropships won’t be a danger to them especially with sub-caps.
 

VicSage

Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
[X] Continue building a balanced fleet using the current design paradigm
As much as I love Speed, if the crews don't survive long enough to be experienced and to pass lessons learned on the speed will be nullified.
The initial settlements are fairly ramshackle, resembling more closely old west boomtowns than anything you’d consider suitable
The Yeehaw Conspiracy strikes again.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
[X] Continue building a balanced fleet using the current design paradigm

Any light cruiser design (680,000 tons) that is
a) fast enough (safe thrust 2g?) and
b) heavily armored to survive one or two broadsides of a McKenna and
c) carries enough heavy capital naval weapons in one sector (nose?) to threaten the armor of a McKenna
has a real problem carrying enough weapons in other sectors plus carry enough supplies.
It would be a severely limited design. Essentially useless for anything else.

Actually, it's quite possible. The canon McKenna is relatively lightly armored, and like all canon SLDF ships sacrifices considerable potential armament to have massive cargo bays.
 
Turn 77 - Let Me Sail

LordSunhawk

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Turn 77 - Let Me Sail

Your surviving family is back together, and you couldn’t be more relieved. Not much of anything gets done in the palace for a few days, you are in no shape for it and would much rather spend time with your wife and daughters.

Unfortunately you can’t take more than a few days for your family, much as you wish you could take more. Heavy lies the crown and all that, and there is work that needs to be done. Your wife does put her foot down on your schedule, though, insisting that you spend a few hours each day with family.

Insurgent activity on Okusawa is a continuing bleeding sore. Those locals who might have been inclined to assist you are living in terror of their neighbors who most certainly are not, with a few cases of locals who were insufficiently obvious about their opposition to you being murdered with nobody seeing anything at all. Videos of little kids being coached in throwing rocks at your troops and security forces, scattered roadside bombs targeting your patrols, mortar and rocket attacks on your bases. It makes the pacification of Nowa Warszawa seem like a pleasant stroll in the park.

You are very proud of your men there, who are sticking to the ROE faithfully despite the harsh conditions. Looking at the high level picture, there is a definite downward trend line in the attacks, but it is gradual and interrupted by occasional spikes. But at the ground level all they are seeing is unrelenting hostility, their buddies and themselves constantly being attacked, having no real safe space except in orbit… and they are still following the ROE and not striking back indiscriminately.

Your analysts are convinced that with time and continued restraint the insurgency will collapse, as your continued refusal to engage in the sort of repression that the Dragon would have undermines the very premise of the opposition. They point out that the violent actions are in a slow decline, as non-violent protests and rallies are on the uptick. Your forces restraint with the latter is encouraging their growth, and people who are busy shouting slogans and making signs aren’t spending their time making bombs. As they realize that they can shout, scream, march around, and make nuisances of themselves without getting hauled off to be tortured to death, then that will start to cast into doubt the very reasons they are so riled up. If the Dragon lied to them about this, what else did he lie to them about.

You receive a number of reports from the shipyards where the Fletcher class vessels are under construction. The managers are all reporting just how difficult the construction of these ships is, thanks to the complexity of the compact cores combined with the ten drop collars and HPG system. They hope to still finish the 30 ships that are on order on time, but they are warning that they do not think the smaller yards are suitable for sustained production of the type. As it is they are going to strongly recommend that the ship’s get run through the Refit yards immediately to double check for any issues, because they are unwilling to guarantee that there won’t be any.

As a consequence, future Fletcher orders will be handled by the small warship yards, not the more compact escort/jumpship yards. However, the Dagger, while analysts still believe it to be an effective small warship in its own right, is rather expensive for the capability it provides, mostly due to the 5 drop collars and extensive avionics.

A new design, ironically not from Majeure Electrique but rather straight from the Imperial Griffon Naval Yard, has been developed. Called the Stiletto, this vessel is larger than the Dagger while being smaller than the Fletcher at 390,000 tons. It only has a single drop collar, and is optimized for long range combat with a brace of 8 Heavy Naval PPCs in the nose. It is actually cheaper to build than the Dagger.

The smaller corvette is still more suitable as a true ‘escort’ for larger vessels, given that it can carry five times as many parasites into the field and is a tougher vessel in and of itself, but the Stiletto has a substantial advantage in terms of long range capital firepower.

There is a brewing scandal involving the colonization of New Castor. Somebody managed to gain access to the servers used by the Department of Colonial Affairs and subtly altered the address link for applications for the initial property purchase allotment by which prospective colonists would purchase plots of land or equivalent colonization rights on the new world. People who made their purchases through third party applications, or directly to the URL, were fine, as they went through the normal process and all was well. Those who made their purchase through the official site? Well, their money was going to organized crime, the deeds for their allotments were forgeries that were all but identical to the official deeds, and those people showed up on New Castor only to discover that they’d been cheated out of tens of thousands of credits, in some cases over a million credits were lost.

The lack of an HPG on New Castor allowed this scam to go undetected for an unfortunately extended period, and now over a million people have been victimized by it directly, and more indirectly. The system government is handling the situation on that end, although they are having to open up new allotments well ahead of schedule. The problem is that in most cases the victims of this scam have spent their life savings and are unable to simply purchase another allotment or pay for transport off of New Castor.

Law enforcement is hunting the criminals behind the scam, so far with limited results. The servers have been properly secured and internal screening is under way to hunt down anybody who might have helped the criminals pull this off. But there is still the problem of what to do with the victims.
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[]Allow the victims of the scam to trade the worthless deeds for deeds in the second-tier allotmentsThis was an extremely sophisticated scheme with inside help. Every step of the process of the scam looked completely legitimate to anybody looking at it from the outside. We owe it to these people not to ruin their lives over something outside their control.

The second-tier allotments were scheduled to be opened this year anyways, by giving them to the victims we ensure that we don’t create an instant underclass problem on New Castor while treating the victims generously.
Yes, these people were scammed. Yes, this was an inside job. Yes it is bad. It’s still not our responsibility. Liability rests solely on the scammers and as soon as law enforcement finds them the victims are welcome to recover their funds via civil actions.

The proposal on the table effectively offloads the restitution to the victims from the criminals to the state, and thus in a way penalizes the innocent rather than the guilty. And while it is quite likely that the criminals in question will be able to evade paying restitution on grounds of being indigent, that is not the state’s problem.
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[]Caveat Emptor, it sucks, and they may have done what due diligence they could, but still the liability is on the criminals, not the government.Being victimized by a scam sucks, we get it. But the responsible party is the scammer, not the state. Any recovery of assets should be from the scammers, not from the state.

Sure, people may not like it, they may think we are being hard-hearted towards the victims, but while they may say they did due diligence, if they’d actually visited the Department of Colonial Affairs offices in person they would have found out that they were being scammed before it was too late.
Requiring physical visits to a government office as a minimum for ‘due diligence’ is madness. The reason that they trusted the scam was because the scam had inside assistance making what they trusted to be their government be something else.

It is on us not detecting the alterations to the site. It is on us not realizing that we had corrupt employees in the ministry helping the scammers. It is on us that they people were duped by what appeared to be us.
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ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
[X] Allow the victims of the scam to trade the worthless deeds for deeds in the second-tier allotments

I would argue that the government is responsible when fraud is perpetrated *under color of government* in a way such that no reasonable amount of due diligence could have possibly distinguished it from the actual government. Claiming that the liability falls solely on the scammers when it is self-evident that the scammers will never be able to make any meaningful restitution is not only deeply callous, but verges on outright bad faith. More importantly, it would severely undermine trust in the government itself, and that's not an acceptable outcome when the government *can* very much afford to make things right.

Arguing that the government making restitution to victims "in a way penalizes the innocent rather than the guilty" is an even more dangerous line of argument, because that literally applies to any and every situation where the government helps anyone for any reason. After all, all of the government's money comes from taxpayers, so am I not thus "victimized" by deprivation when the government spends even a penny on direct aid to any other citizen?
 
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