Orangeduke38
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I don't see why we should intervene at all. This is like the war between Nazi Germany and the USSR, or Iran and Iraq, you want them both to lose.
Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)
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Val the Moofia Boss
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I suppose one concern might be if the hedonistic planet comes into contact with one of Kilburough's trade ships and starts buying "products" from them, so I guess trying to reform that planet's society might preempt or stop that. I'd be pretty surprised if Kilburough hadn't already tried to establish relations with everyone in this area.
[X] Approve Both
- [X] As much as it would be convenient to let these two packs of evil fanatics murder the fuck out of each other, we have consistently chosen the moral high ground, and time and time again it has come back in our favor.
[X] Dagger
Note that the reason the Dagger has such a high A/D value is that it's conceptualized (in and out of character) as a fast fleet escort rather than a slow convoy escort; it's substantially faster than the other designs, with thrust rating of 4/6 as opposed to 3/5, and its main battery of capital weapons is a concentrated all-forward cluster of NAC/30 naval autocannon turrets, which are shorter-range than Naval PPCs but pack more punch. It then also has three twin Naval Laser 45s and six Killer Whale missile tubes, which are spread across front-left/front-right/aft in order to provide all-around anti-ASF firepower all the way out to capital-extreme range.
- [X] As much as it would be convenient to let these two packs of evil fanatics murder the fuck out of each other, we have consistently chosen the moral high ground, and time and time again it has come back in our favor.
[X] Dagger
Note that the reason the Dagger has such a high A/D value is that it's conceptualized (in and out of character) as a fast fleet escort rather than a slow convoy escort; it's substantially faster than the other designs, with thrust rating of 4/6 as opposed to 3/5, and its main battery of capital weapons is a concentrated all-forward cluster of NAC/30 naval autocannon turrets, which are shorter-range than Naval PPCs but pack more punch. It then also has three twin Naval Laser 45s and six Killer Whale missile tubes, which are spread across front-left/front-right/aft in order to provide all-around anti-ASF firepower all the way out to capital-extreme range.
Jarow
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[X] Approve Both
I'll admit to being expansionist, even if resolving the issue is going to take forever. And helping a friend build up a civilian economy isn't a bad thing either.
[X] Dagger
Given our usual predilections towards big expensive machines over cheap/cost efficient ones, I'm going to mostly compare Thunderstruck and Dagger.
Cost: slight advantage to Dagger
Speed: Dagger
Capital Damage: slight advantage to Thunderstruck (total of 1880 as opposed to 1788)
AMS: Thunderstruck
Missile: Dagger
HP, A/D: ridiculously Dagger
So in most categories, they generally aren't too far apart, until we get into mech-scale range. At which point the Dagger tears my poor little pyramid to pieces. Which, honestly, is about where I expected things to end up. So voting for Dagger.
I'll admit to being expansionist, even if resolving the issue is going to take forever. And helping a friend build up a civilian economy isn't a bad thing either.
[X] Dagger
Given our usual predilections towards big expensive machines over cheap/cost efficient ones, I'm going to mostly compare Thunderstruck and Dagger.
Cost: slight advantage to Dagger
Speed: Dagger
Capital Damage: slight advantage to Thunderstruck (total of 1880 as opposed to 1788)
AMS: Thunderstruck
Missile: Dagger
HP, A/D: ridiculously Dagger
So in most categories, they generally aren't too far apart, until we get into mech-scale range. At which point the Dagger tears my poor little pyramid to pieces. Which, honestly, is about where I expected things to end up. So voting for Dagger.
Val the Moofia Boss
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[X] Approve Both
darkcloudt2
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[X] Approve Both
[X] Dagger
It is going to take forever to get those two planets sane again but it needs to be done as having insane planets near your empire or in your empires borders is just a bad idea overall
[X] Dagger
It is going to take forever to get those two planets sane again but it needs to be done as having insane planets near your empire or in your empires borders is just a bad idea overall
AlphaOmega
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[X] Approve Both
[X] Dagger
[X] Dagger
edofthesquid
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[X] Approve Both
Don't want to give anyone an opening to give either of these plantets shipping as a way to cause problems
Don't want to give anyone an opening to give either of these plantets shipping as a way to cause problems
Joyousmadman
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[X] Approve Both
As others have mentioned I think the “correct” choice from a strictly geo(Astro?)-political stance would be to let the maniacs kill each other off and not get involved. Unfortunately, I also agree that this would not be the “Right” decision, therefore we will need to put some thought into long term solutions here. Maybe, Ba aggressively at them? Could the shame and disapproval of the Imperial grandmother be sufficient to drive some sense into their heads?
As others have mentioned I think the “correct” choice from a strictly geo(Astro?)-political stance would be to let the maniacs kill each other off and not get involved. Unfortunately, I also agree that this would not be the “Right” decision, therefore we will need to put some thought into long term solutions here. Maybe, Ba aggressively at them? Could the shame and disapproval of the Imperial grandmother be sufficient to drive some sense into their heads?
Thors_Alumni
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[X] Approve Both
[X] Dagger
At minimum its going to take at least 50 years to get those two planets into shape before we annex both of them.
[X] Dagger
At minimum its going to take at least 50 years to get those two planets into shape before we annex both of them.
Crafter of War
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...are we reading the same thing here?
It says it's going to take 5d10 years. 50 years is the maximum, not the minimum. Absolute minimum is going to be 5 years.
Bear Ribs
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The average is going to be about 28 years, for the record.
Turn 68 - The Revenue Man
Turn 68 - The Revenue Man
Early in January comes the first rumbles. By the end of the month the rumbles are loud. And by early February they are nearly deafening, figuratively speaking.
A company based on Calliope IV has found a license to print money. What had started life as a light utility vehicle for the AFGE has exploded onto the civilian market like a nuclear bomb, a light, cheap, reliable four wheel drive vehicle that is easy to drive, ridiculously easy to maintain, and incredibly fun to romp around in. Sales have utterly exploded, with the company building new production lines on Calliope IV as fast as the construction crews can build new buildings for them.
There’s nothing ‘luxurious’ about it, it’s basic, simple, raw. The civilian version switches the military communications system for a civilian entertainment system and adds in the legally mandated electronics. It already well exceeds civil crash safety requirements, possessing a roll cage strong enough to stand up to over ten times the vehicle's own mass on top of the regular crash protection systems that are common to all vehicles. It looks rugged, even in civilian trim, and people are going crazy over the removable body panels and incredible ease of customization. That it can tackle terrain that normally would require tracks or legs to deal with is just a plus, 99.9999% of all drivers just think the wheels look ‘badass’.
The icing on the cake is that the vehicle is cheap enough that teenagers working minimum wage jobs can easily afford one, it is safe enough that insurance costs are ridiculously low, and it is fun enough that everybody wants one and considers it ‘cool’.
Interestingly, the company responsible refuses to allow off-world production. They are proud residents of Calliope IV, having lived there all their lives, and insist on keeping production on-planet to, in their words, ‘give back to the community that has given so much to us.’ This is resulting in an incredible surge in the local economy. Analysts predict that within a decade Calliope IV’s economy would be surprisingly close to the far more densely populated Nowa Warszawa, and that is without any further investments in the system's future.
QM note - remove the silly air scoops over the front tires, the weird angling of the outer door panels, and the hood scoop.
To absolutely nobody's surprise, neither faction in the absurd fighting on Nya Köpenhamn are willing to even entertain peace talks. The theocrats spend the transmission hurling anathemas and abuse while absolutely refusing to meet with anybody who isn’t ‘perfect’, by their twisted definition of perfect, which appears to require them to have murdered at least a dozen people in front of the theocrats. The hedonists pretend to be willing to talk, then attempt to drug the small delegation that landed with airborne hallucinogenic drugs, get extremely offended that the delegates aren’t stoned as a consequence, but since they are all affected by the gas they start tripping out and pretty soon there are a half dozen sober delegates surrounded by Yet Another Violent Orgie, which prompts them to rather hastily return to their shuttle and make tracks. From what you can tell, half of the hedonists present were dead by the time the shuttle reached orbit.
Both sides promptly start firing their primitive missiles at the joint dropship flotilla in orbit of their planets. You can understand the theocrats, at least crude nukes might damage a dropship, but who the hell shoots missiles loaded with LSD gas at a spaceship in orbit?
There is a planning conference between the NRR and the AFGE ongoing to plan out how to handle things. Right now you jointly have full control over the orbitals, what is being proposed for now is to build some White Tower stations in the system to lock down the jump points, followed by a single Silver Tower around each planet to lock out the orbitals without having to dedicate large dropship formations to the task.
The Olympics are being hosted in the NRI this year, finally. You aren’t able to attend, but Jeremy goes in your stead as your heir and representative. Which he is whining about in HPG messages back home. Evidently the Romans really like him, and he is getting a bit tired of all the adulation. According to his latest, he’s currently trying to convince a group of particularly enthusiastic Romans that no, he isn’t a god, so please stop building temples to him.
But since you aren’t there you are having to read the media coverage like everybody else. The opening ceremony was incredibly extravagant, with the Romans obviously pulling out every single stop, then finding a few more ways to make it more over the top. Even the stadium is over the top.
In the first eleven events, covering track & field, gymnastics, and swimming, Team Griffon brings home 3 gold medals, in athletics and men’s swimming, while the Rasalhaguians manage to surprise everybody by pulling off an upset gold medal in women’s gymnastics. The home team has six golds, while the Rasalhaguians add a gold in men’s shooting to their women’s gymnastics honors.
So far Team Griffon is somewhat underperforming, leading to some criticism of the sports program. However, most analysts point out that we can hardly expect other nations to simply roll over and play dead for our athletes, and that the Romans, especially, focus incredibly hard on gymnastics, making it incredibly difficult for Team Griffon to win those three events regardless.
HMS Morristown gets a chance to deliver another highly educational asskicking to a pirate raid that happened to stumble into her while she was in the Griff’s Leap system. A pair of ‘Jolly Rogers’ and a half dozen small dropships? One volley killed them all, the second volley had fired before the first had hit, no enemy survivors. The CO of HMS Morristown apologizes in her report for the wasted shots, to general laughter at the admiralty.
You have a choice to make, authorize the sale of the Megaraptor design to the Rasalhaguians, or offer them an equivalent ‘export grade’ design? There are arguments both ways, the Megaraptor is obsolete from your viewpoint, and while she is far more sophisticated than anything the NRR currently has, the gap isn’t really all that significant, especially considering your economic advantage. On the other hand, an export design might have buyers beyond the NRR.
Early in January comes the first rumbles. By the end of the month the rumbles are loud. And by early February they are nearly deafening, figuratively speaking.
A company based on Calliope IV has found a license to print money. What had started life as a light utility vehicle for the AFGE has exploded onto the civilian market like a nuclear bomb, a light, cheap, reliable four wheel drive vehicle that is easy to drive, ridiculously easy to maintain, and incredibly fun to romp around in. Sales have utterly exploded, with the company building new production lines on Calliope IV as fast as the construction crews can build new buildings for them.
There’s nothing ‘luxurious’ about it, it’s basic, simple, raw. The civilian version switches the military communications system for a civilian entertainment system and adds in the legally mandated electronics. It already well exceeds civil crash safety requirements, possessing a roll cage strong enough to stand up to over ten times the vehicle's own mass on top of the regular crash protection systems that are common to all vehicles. It looks rugged, even in civilian trim, and people are going crazy over the removable body panels and incredible ease of customization. That it can tackle terrain that normally would require tracks or legs to deal with is just a plus, 99.9999% of all drivers just think the wheels look ‘badass’.
The icing on the cake is that the vehicle is cheap enough that teenagers working minimum wage jobs can easily afford one, it is safe enough that insurance costs are ridiculously low, and it is fun enough that everybody wants one and considers it ‘cool’.
Interestingly, the company responsible refuses to allow off-world production. They are proud residents of Calliope IV, having lived there all their lives, and insist on keeping production on-planet to, in their words, ‘give back to the community that has given so much to us.’ This is resulting in an incredible surge in the local economy. Analysts predict that within a decade Calliope IV’s economy would be surprisingly close to the far more densely populated Nowa Warszawa, and that is without any further investments in the system's future.
QM note - remove the silly air scoops over the front tires, the weird angling of the outer door panels, and the hood scoop.
To absolutely nobody's surprise, neither faction in the absurd fighting on Nya Köpenhamn are willing to even entertain peace talks. The theocrats spend the transmission hurling anathemas and abuse while absolutely refusing to meet with anybody who isn’t ‘perfect’, by their twisted definition of perfect, which appears to require them to have murdered at least a dozen people in front of the theocrats. The hedonists pretend to be willing to talk, then attempt to drug the small delegation that landed with airborne hallucinogenic drugs, get extremely offended that the delegates aren’t stoned as a consequence, but since they are all affected by the gas they start tripping out and pretty soon there are a half dozen sober delegates surrounded by Yet Another Violent Orgie, which prompts them to rather hastily return to their shuttle and make tracks. From what you can tell, half of the hedonists present were dead by the time the shuttle reached orbit.
Both sides promptly start firing their primitive missiles at the joint dropship flotilla in orbit of their planets. You can understand the theocrats, at least crude nukes might damage a dropship, but who the hell shoots missiles loaded with LSD gas at a spaceship in orbit?
There is a planning conference between the NRR and the AFGE ongoing to plan out how to handle things. Right now you jointly have full control over the orbitals, what is being proposed for now is to build some White Tower stations in the system to lock down the jump points, followed by a single Silver Tower around each planet to lock out the orbitals without having to dedicate large dropship formations to the task.
The Olympics are being hosted in the NRI this year, finally. You aren’t able to attend, but Jeremy goes in your stead as your heir and representative. Which he is whining about in HPG messages back home. Evidently the Romans really like him, and he is getting a bit tired of all the adulation. According to his latest, he’s currently trying to convince a group of particularly enthusiastic Romans that no, he isn’t a god, so please stop building temples to him.
But since you aren’t there you are having to read the media coverage like everybody else. The opening ceremony was incredibly extravagant, with the Romans obviously pulling out every single stop, then finding a few more ways to make it more over the top. Even the stadium is over the top.
In the first eleven events, covering track & field, gymnastics, and swimming, Team Griffon brings home 3 gold medals, in athletics and men’s swimming, while the Rasalhaguians manage to surprise everybody by pulling off an upset gold medal in women’s gymnastics. The home team has six golds, while the Rasalhaguians add a gold in men’s shooting to their women’s gymnastics honors.
So far Team Griffon is somewhat underperforming, leading to some criticism of the sports program. However, most analysts point out that we can hardly expect other nations to simply roll over and play dead for our athletes, and that the Romans, especially, focus incredibly hard on gymnastics, making it incredibly difficult for Team Griffon to win those three events regardless.
HMS Morristown gets a chance to deliver another highly educational asskicking to a pirate raid that happened to stumble into her while she was in the Griff’s Leap system. A pair of ‘Jolly Rogers’ and a half dozen small dropships? One volley killed them all, the second volley had fired before the first had hit, no enemy survivors. The CO of HMS Morristown apologizes in her report for the wasted shots, to general laughter at the admiralty.
You have a choice to make, authorize the sale of the Megaraptor design to the Rasalhaguians, or offer them an equivalent ‘export grade’ design? There are arguments both ways, the Megaraptor is obsolete from your viewpoint, and while she is far more sophisticated than anything the NRR currently has, the gap isn’t really all that significant, especially considering your economic advantage. On the other hand, an export design might have buyers beyond the NRR.
| [] | Sell the Megaraptor design |
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| [] | Sell a custom export design |
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