Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)

Ridli Scott

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Ha! Like the Grifftigers are going to allow the Dracs to harm their pets.
Be realist, can't be the other way.

I think the Dracs are going to lose more people to open bellies for losing against a herd of hippos than for the people that we killed in the battle. Or at least it's going to be close.

We need more of everything, we the that everything more armed and then we need to make it double just in case.
And give the Grifftigers whatever they freaking want plus some medals. God damned heroes.


We also could use a SWARM of conventional fighters armed with enough rockets to make the Katyusha looks lame. ASFs are good but sometimes you could build up to 4 airbreathers for every ASF.
 

LordSunhawk

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OK, QMs after action.

Bluntly, the system was put to the test and didn't perform as well as hoped, but didn't completely fall apart either.

The main thing is that attack and defense numbers failed to take into account numerical disparity, only HP did. I didn't think it would be too big of a deal, because the HP pool differential also effected CLG and Shattered, only to find that it was functionally impossible to deal enough damage with the tiny differentials rolled to actually have any effect.

So we had a situation where both sides were pinging each other with nerf darts and superballs, and in the end didn't manage to accomplish anything useful.

My entire initial concept on infantry had to be redone, the laser defense satellites originally were far too overpowered, I need to think up useful and simple rules to account for fuel points in ASF combat, strafing mechanics, non-direct combat actions (when Yellowhammer decided to just ignore the RRF and fortifications and get the DCMS Atrocity-Chan badge...) etc. There have been adaptations, and the system will get some more tests.
 
Turn 15 - After Action and Serious Fluff

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Turn 15 - Lessons Learned and Fluff (of a serious variety)

You couldn’t really call this a defeat. The enemy had departed, and had been the only ones to suffer actual military losses that couldn’t be made good simply through a few days in the depot.

You couldn’t really call this a victory. The enemy had departed only because a swarm of deathopotamusaurus had trampled their landing zone, and not until they’d caused immense damage.

Huế mới was a total wreck, the fires had burned for hours after the Dracs had departed causing enormous damage to the infrastructure of the city. Relief shipments from Griffsport had departed within hours, but the situation was truly dire.

The Dracs hadn’t contented themselves with simply hurling infernos around, they’d taken the time to deliberately smash through the shinto shrine that had been built in the city for the small ethnic Japanese population, with the apparent leader’s Dragon deliberately kicking over the torii gates and smashing the honden.

On a more personal, and personally painful, level, the Ngô family compound had also been completely destroyed. Worse, bà’s gravesite had been torched by one of the Jenner’s inferno missiles striking it directly, although you are sure that there was no way the Dracs knew the significance of what they were doing.

General Potter looks extremely stressed when you meet with him.

“Our pilots did all that they could, it was the doctrine that let them down.” he says grimly. “We hadn’t realized just how effective massed dropships could be in supporting each other, moreover we had the wrong force mix to deal with the Dracs escorts.”

He takes a breath, looking steadily at you. “We were working with extremes, small fast interceptors that couldn’t punch their way out of a paper bag, and great big assault birds that couldn’t maneuver worth a damn. The Dracs had both, but also something in between that could exploit the shaping of the battlespace provided by the interceptors while still screening the assault craft.”

You nod grimly, distantly pleased that he pointedly hasn’t mentioned that General Wolf had several times recommended building intermediate fighters, and had had to fight to get the Roc approved at all.

“On the ground, the tactics we’d devised for the RRF were never really tested, because quite bluntly they were wrong. If the enemy had been able to deploy their armored force into battle the RRF would have done far better than they did against those mechs. Our people did their best, but the maximum speed slicing attacks simply don’t do enough damage fast enough, we need to mob the mechs and get them by the throat, not try and bleed them.” he continues in that hammered iron voice.

“The fortifications were ineffective, we had too few infantry spread too thin. We’ll be spending months digesting everything that went wrong and determining fixes, thank God for the grifftigers and, loathe as I am to say it, the deathopotamusaurus.” his lips twist a bit into what could, charitably, be called a brief smile. “With your permission I’d like to initiate after-action reviews for all the units immediately, rather than waiting for the regular budgetary period.”

[] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500
[] No

A few days after the shelters have reopened Janet comes bustling in.

“We may have a problem, there are some crowds gathering near the shinto temple here in Griffsport and things are getting tense.” she says quickly.

You don’t even hesitate. You quickly pull on your uniform, grab Sekhmet, your husband, and your personal platoon, and go out to the shrine.

There is indeed a crowd of angry people, being harangued by some demagogues you recognize as being associated with the more… hostile portions of Parliament.

You smile grimly, then glance over at Sekhmet who nods and paces into the Temple grounds, turning and seating herself where she blocks the gates, preventing the crowd from getting closer… before she suddenly lets loose a bowel-loosening roar that echoes through the city.

And conveniently completely silences the crowd.

How are you going to approach this?

[] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.
[] Calm speech stressing the differences between the Dracs, who are our enemies, and the local ethnic-Japanese, who are most certainly on OUR side.
[] Write-In

(QM note - it is acceptable to vote for more than one, if you manage any good turns of phrase that I wind up using in a write-in, you’ll get a free reroll of your choice)
 

Jarow

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[X] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500
100% was going to do this anyways, might as well do so now
Also, note that if we don't do it this turn (now or budget), we don't get to do it at all


[X] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[X] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.
My personal feeling lean towards the emotional side; will gladly change if someone comes up with a good write in or argues a better position
 
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kelgar04

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[X] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500

[X] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[X] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.
 

Chaeronea

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[X] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500

Need the AAR as soon as possible to figure out how we can avoid this happening again.

[X] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[X] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.
My personal feeling lean towards the emotional side; will gladly change if someone comes up with a good write in or argues a better position

Luthien delenda est.
 

Thors_Alumni

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[X] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500

[X] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[X] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.
 

PeaceMaker 03

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“ Hello everyone I am Bobby Vee and thanks for tuning in and making GBS the top nightly news show”.
“Tonight’s top story the queen confronted an angry crowd near Griffsport’s Shinto temple. The confrontation caught by a local affiliate station news team.”
......The video jumps around as a large grifftiger roars.....then pans as a slightly disheveled queen moves to the front of the crowd.
The queen looks over the crowd, and calmly calls to them, and the crowd quiet’s
“ The sister Shinto shrine to this one, in Huế mới was specifically targeted by the DC pirates. Their leader used his mech kicking and smashing the Shinto shrine, 60 tons of humanoid shaped war machine called a “ Dragon. He deliberately kicked over the torii gates and smashthe honden”.

“Pirates that came to loot and burn our planet, to kill our people, because we will not bend a knee to their emperor. That smashed a shrine because they do not recognize their heavenly emperor.”

“What would you do here?
Smash and burn this shrine, like pirates?
Burn these citizens out because they are different?”

Anger plain on the queens face.
“What do you intend to do to my people”?

The camera jumps again as the large Griftiger jumps in front of the queen and lets off a ferocious roar towards the mob. Pandemonium breaks as the mob scatters and the cameraman runs with the crowd.
 

Culsu

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[X] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500

[X] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[X] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.

I'd say the only real positive we can draw from the attack is that our troops actually performed favorably, and only failed to make an impact due to a lack of heavy weapons. Not enough Roc fighters to deal with three full blown drop ships, and no medium design to overwhelm the escorts. On the ground, we need a heavy tank dispersed in company-sized units for a start to act as the main hitter until we have the technology and manufacturing to build at least medium 'mechs. As is, our force is only good to harass and harry the enemy, not to force them to battle on favorable terms for us. :(
 

Ridli Scott

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[X] Yes - will take up a military action this year and cost 500

[X] Passionate appeal for unity against the Dracs
[X] Angry denunciation of Bullshit-o of Drac State Shinto contrasted with the local flavor of ordinary Shinto.
 

Jarow

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I'd say the only real positive we can draw from the attack is that our troops actually performed favorably, and only failed to make an impact due to a lack of heavy weapons. Not enough Roc fighters to deal with three full blown drop ships, and no medium design to overwhelm the escorts. On the ground, we need a heavy tank dispersed in company-sized units for a start to act as the main hitter until we have the technology and manufacturing to build at least medium 'mechs. As is, our force is only good to harass and harry the enemy, not to force them to battle on favorable terms for us. :(
We do need more Rocs, agreed on that. The problem on the ground, however, was that the number advantage of a battalion of hovertanks and a battalion of savannah masters against a company of light mechs did the damage of one hovertank due to an issue with the system. We had a brief test of how things work with the new version of the system on that fight, things changed from about 5 damage a turn to about 50. This would probably have convinced them to either withdraw or probably lose their mechs in an attack on the city.
 
Turn 15 - Advisors

LordSunhawk

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Turn 15 - Advisors

You glare out at the cowed crowd, ignoring the cameras that are focusing on you as you stand there, hands on your hips like an angry mother staring down errant children.

“Our enemy is out there.” you almost growl, your voice projecting well enough to be heard regardless as you jab your finger up into the sky. “Our enemy is not… here.” you gesture behind yourself.

“Our enemy thinks that they have the inherent right to rule over us, simply because they think we are too weak, too cowardly, too servile…” your voice is laden with contempt. “To resist their ‘enlightened rule’.”

You continue glaring at the crowd. “And idiocy like this only serves to help them. In Huế mới the shinto shrine was leveled to the ground and set ablaze by these so-called ‘samurai’. And here you are, ready to carry on their work. By any rational standard, I would have to consider you part of their cult of bullshit, are you?”

The crowd looks quite ashamed of themselves at this point. Good.

“I will tell you this. No Drac has ever understood Honor. No Drac has ever understood Duty. No Drac has ever understood Service. They are nothing more than spoiled little children playing pretend.” you pace a bit. “They’ll be back, they’ve been given a bloody nose and their infantile fake honor has been ‘insulted’. And when they do, I intend to ensure that they get the spanking that their childish antics deserves.”

The crowd surprises itself with a laugh at that mental image, which you score as a strong first step.

“So, tell me, what are you going to do to spank the God Damned Dracs?” you ask rhetorically, earning a roar from the crowd that almost, almost matches Sekhmet’s.

You go on in a similar vein for a while, pumping up the crowd and directing their animosity towards the Dracs rather than their fellow citizens. In fact, by the time you are finished you’d even managed to convince the crowd to kick in for rebuilding the shrine over in Huế mới.

You feel quite proud of yourself for that.

When you get back to your office you find that your paperwork has seemingly multiplied again. Oh well, no good deed and all that.

However there is some good news. There had been a low level design competition for a replacement for the Falcon even before this conflict. The fruits of that effort are now on your desk waiting for your decision.

[]NameCostHPAttack/DefenseSpecial
[]Scorpion F1A820328SWIFT, LIGHT
[]Slayer F2A8563610SWIFT, LIGHT
[]Viper Aero704287SWIFT, LIGHT
[]Light Laser Interceptor708287SWIFT, LIGHT
[]Falcon Heavy Interceptor816328SWIFT, LIGHT
[]Foxbat Aero728246SWIFT, LIGHT

Looking over the details, you find that the contract specifies an initial production run with attendant transition training for the entire 1st Interceptor Wing. As a consequence they would be replacing the existing Falcons in the Wing, said birds being available in reserves or to be used to create a fresh formation.

((QM Note - As a reminder, upgrading a formation’s equipment costs the total cost of the new equipment - 100 per unit. Units in reserve are not counted for upkeep and can be reactivated to a fresh formation starting at quality Green for 100 per unit.))

Parliament is actually trying to be helpful, in their own way. There’s a bill moving through both chambers that would allocate funds for hardening infrastructure to help reduce the amount of damage from future attacks. It’s expensive, at least overall, but the costs would be spread out over several years.

[] Agree - +10 support in both Commons and Lords, +1 Influence for Commons and Lords, costs 2000 a year for 10 years. Reduces damage from scorched earth attacks by enemy forces by 25%.
[] Disagree - -10 support in both Commons and Lords

You head into the meetings with your advisors, grimly aware of just how difficult juggling all the priorities this year is going to be.

General Potter is the first to speak, inheriting that distinction from General Wolf.

“I have some good news from the action review.” he says in his gravelly voice that rumbles from somewhere deep in the planet's core. “The Rocs have been well-blooded and are showing a definite improvement in overall skill, while the Interceptor wing is seeing some minor incremental improvements. The nutcases in the Chasseurs have also been fully blooded, however the Foxhound and garrison forces were not heavily enough engaged for any general improvement in ability.”

He sets down that datapad. And picks up another. You’d so hoped you’d only hear good news.

“I think I am going to surprise you, Your Majesty.” he then continues in that basso profundo of his. “I am not going to immediately ask for more forces. We need them, do not mistake me, but we also need the right forces. And the right support structure. When the enemy took over the drop port in Huế mới, we lost our primary ASF operational base in that hemisphere. This crippled our ability to remain in the fight, especially with the short legs of the Falcon. We need dispersal fields in order to allow us to better utilize our airpower, and rather than panic buying new fighters, my staff and I believe we need those first.”

He sets down another datapad. “We also need mechs of our own, even light mechs would be useful. To do that, we need a factory. Mr Lee?”

He turns to Tyler, who grins back then rises to his feet. You wince slightly, when you first met him he’d be bouncing to his feet, now he looks… old.

“I’d love nothing more than to accommodate you, General, but we have more pressing needs. Next year, we’ll have the capacity, right now though, we desperately need to start providing immediate relief and rebuilding in Huế mới. To that end, we’ve worked out plans for reconstruction that should be implemented immediately. Otherwise, the economic damage from this attack will linger far longer than any of us would desire.”

Dr Young had sent her deputy to the meeting as she was ill. “The Foreign Ministry is ready to assist with anything that we can, but we really don’t have all that much to offer at this time.”

Professor Chapman chuckles slightly. “Just remember that those bastards never even bothered trying to talk. Makes diplomacy more difficult.” she turns her attention fully to you. “There’s really nothing new from me, the speech you gave at the shrine has picked up planetary attention and so far looks like it’s playing wonderfully, I’ve got my people in the press center doing appropriate press releases and interviews. We’re in good shape over here, Your Majesty.”

Dr Palmer looks the same as she always does, excited by the prospect of Science! (the exclamation point is important). “Your Majesty, I know the budget is tight this year, but we’ve got so many things we can do! If it’s not expanding the labs, we’ve got tons of basic research opportunities!” she pulls out a datapad and starts babbling at full speed. “We’ve got vital data on the performance of dropships, so I really think we need to do that! And look at this, with the orbital labs onboard our space station we’ve got a shot at starting to actually puzzle out the details on things like LB-X autocannons and Ultra autocannons, not to mention endosteel and ferrofibrough armor!.” she looks like a little kid in a candy shop, so much candy, so little time!

“We can knock out some lower-hanging fruit too, work out the fundamentals of gauss and energy small arms should be EASY, and would give us so many other wonderful fields of research!”

Yup, she’s bouncing in her seat. Scientists, gotta love ‘em.

Harry Owens, in contrast, looks grim. “We didn’t take any prisoners, however we did find… this.”

He takes out a padded and locked case, sets it on the table, and pops it open, revealing a somewhat singed but still intact data disk.

“We have no idea what’s on this, it could be important, it could be a music collection. We just don’t know. We’d like to find out.” he says simply.

Then he pauses, twitches his shoulders. “There was absolutely no sign of any communication between the expatriates we’ve taken in and the Dracs before, during, or after the attack.”

Janet bounces in to the meeting, late as usual, in front of a cavalcade of her kids and your youngest, drops a giant mug of steaming coffee in front of you, then bounces her way back out of the office, skipping the entire time with all the kids skipping in time with her. She’d already told you that morning that she’d have nothing to report, so there is that.
 

Jarow

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[X] Plan: Reconstruction
-[X] Agree - +10 support in both Commons and Lords, +1 Influence for Commons and Lords, costs 2000 a year for 10 years. Reduces damage from scorched earth attacks by enemy forces by 25%.
(Further reducing attack damage is only good)

-[X] Slayer F2A
(Note that except for fuel, this is the only design statistically better than what we have now. Speed and fuel will both play a part, and aren't mentioned in the chart, but so do numbers)

-[X] Military 5
--[X] Establish Blue-Water Coast Guard*
--[X] After Action Review*
--[X] ASF Dispersal Fields - Griffsport
(ASF field near undamaged part of nation)
--[X] Advanced Tactical Training Annex - Pilot Training Center
(Prep for further ASF expansion)
--[X] Recruit 4 Flights Rocs (bring to full squadron), Upgrade interceptor wing to Slayer F2A
(brings us to full squadron dropper choppers, more expensive but more effective planes - note fuel rules exist now)


-[X]Interior 4
--[X] Strengthen Central Bank*
--[X] Comprehensive Survey of the twin continents of Castor/Pollux*
--[X] Repair Damage in Huế mới
--[X] Rebuild Huế mới Drop Port
(We want to rebuild ASAP)

-[X] Diplomatic 3
--[X] Increased funding for the arts


-[X] Political 3

-[X] Research 3
--[X] Aerodyne Dropships (small)
(Beginning dropship research)
--[X] Expanded Academy Labs
(Affordable now, lets us get more research actions sooner)
--[X] Advanced Infantry Weapons - Gauss
(One of two weapon types, we want both)

-[X] Intelligence 3
--[X] Counterintelligence Surveillance
(cheap enough not to stop)
--[X] Decode recovered data drive
(Luck roll action, lets see what info we can get)

-[X] Justice 2
--[X] Establish National Police Force*

This plan definitely stretches the budget a bit, but we do get a lot for it in regards to rebuilding after an attack, and starting to prepare for another.
 
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CurtisLemay

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[X] Plan: Bulk up the Air Force
-[X] Military
--[X] ASF Dispersal Fields - Griffsport
--[X] ASF Dispersal Fields - Capricorn
--[X] Recruit 4 Flights Rocs (bring to full squadron), Upgrade interceptor wing to Slayer F2A, form reserve squadron from Falcons.

-[X} Interior
--[X] Repair Hue Moi Drop Port
--[X] Repair Damage in Hue Moi

-[X] Diplomacy
--[X] Write-In: Begin public education program citing differences between traditional Japanese beliefs, and the perversion the Combine has become. Additionally, emphasize that the Combine is the unrepentant spiritual heir to the twisted delusions and war crimes of the WWII era Empire of Japan, which despite being nominally the same Old Earth nation has barely any connection to the historical samurai of the Edo period.
--[X] Write-In: Approach the Grifftigers about becoming full citizens of the nation, and about forming a reserve unit of the militia? (Need to speak to General Potter about this).

-[X] Research
--[X] Advanced Infantry Weapons - Gauss
--[X] Aerodyne Dropships - Small
--[X] Materials Research, Level 2

-[X] Intelligence
--[X] Decode Recovered Data Drive

-[X] Justice
--[X] None at this time.

-[X] Special
--[X] Agree - +10 support in both Commons and Lords, +1 Influence for Commons and Lords, costs 2000 a year for 10 years. Reduces damage from scorched earth attacks by enemy forces by 25%
--[X] Slayer F2A
 
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ShadowArxxy

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[X]Plan: Bulk up the Air Force

Suggested addendum to the write-in; emphasize that the Combine is the unrepentant spiritual heir to the twisted delusions and war crimes of the WWII era Empire of Japan, which despite being nominally the same Old Earth nation has barely any connection to the historical samurai of the Edo period.
 

Ridli Scott

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[X]Plan: Bulk up the Air Force

I'm still pissed about Ba's grave. We really need to do kick these kuritans in the mouth hard next time. I want them to shit teeth.

But we also eluding something, I think it's time to speak clearly with the grifftigers and make a formal alliance or something.
 

CurtisLemay

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[X]Plan: Bulk up the Air Force

I'm still pissed about Ba's grave. We really need to do kick these kuritans in the mouth hard next time. I want them to shit teeth.

But we also eluding something, I think it's time to speak clearly with the grifftigers and make a formal alliance or something.

I am going to add something to the Diplomacy end...one sec.
 

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