Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)

Bear Ribs

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They have a whole outer border that would need a couple of wings of fighters at least and all with nukes which is insane. Nevermind the warship can be loaded with those carrier dropships with hundreds of drone fighters.

By any sane standard they should be ignoring us and constantly raiding the IS. Hell they should have been raiding the IS for the last several decades before now.
They should have at least a lance to a squadron on most planets anyway, just like most poor worlds will have an militia with infantry and tanks and maybe, if they're lucky, a lance of Bugmechs. But once the likes of Hanse Davion or the First Precentor realizes there's a McKenna out there he should set up a command circuit to get his best troops on it immediately, with capture-or-nuke as their orders. Wherever it raids the command circuit could have those troops on it within hours of sighting, and it's still limited to recharge time.

The bigger issue is that now you have a McKenna, and hundreds of fighters, and several carrier dropships to hit... what? Random sheepfarming planet #8751? You won't make enough on a herd of sheep to pay for the McKenna's fuel and maintenance. You have to hit high-tech worlds with factories and valuable stockpiles, and those will have a solid defense because the other Great Houses prefer to raid those worlds too.
 

Lancelot

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The bigger issue is that now you have a McKenna, and hundreds of fighters, and several carrier dropships to hit... what? Random sheepfarming planet #8751? You won't make enough on a herd of sheep to pay for the McKenna's fuel and maintenance. You have to hit high-tech worlds with factories and valuable stockpiles, and those will have a solid defense because the other Great Houses prefer to raid those worlds too.

If that is a problem then what the fuck is it doing here acting like a fucking scout jumpship.

Also note that is almost a years journey from the extreme deep periphery where you are located to reach the 'ordinary' periphery realms, let alone the Great Houses.

Speaking of can we finally get around to putting some mines and other defenses in and around that pirate point at IV everyone seems to use? The fact that wasn't an option after the first time they pulled this shit is a joke.
 

Bear Ribs

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If that is a problem then what the fuck is it doing here acting like a fucking scout jumpship.
Probably looking to raid the people who obviously have a massive number of orbital factories and therefore lots to plunder, but no stockpile of nukes. Also it probably does not have the Vengeance on every hardpoint you were suggesting which would about double the involved pirate manpower.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Probably looking to raid the people who obviously have a massive number of orbital factories and therefore lots to plunder, but no stockpile of nukes. Also it probably does not have the Vengeance on every hardpoint you were suggesting which would about double the involved pirate manpower.
Speaking of nukes I wonder just how large our arsenal of warheads is at this point.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
Speaking of can we finally get around to putting some mines and other defenses in and around that pirate point at IV everyone seems to use? The fact that wasn't an option after the first time they pulled this shit is a joke.

Mines are canonically not an effective measure in Battletech, because a jump emergence inherently destroys everything within a small radius of the jump. Jump point defenses are based on mobile units, and we *have* such defenses at the actual system jump points. Pirate points are too numerous and ephemeral to place that kind of defense at, except maybe for the major semipermanent pirate points at the Lagrangian equilibria. . . which we DO have defense points at, for our actual inhabited planet.
 

Jarow

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If that is a problem then what the fuck is it doing here acting like a fucking scout jumpship.
Beyond what other people are saying - you're making an assumption it was acting as a scout. Though, it's not impossible it was acting as a scout as a target of opportunity on its way somewhere else (or just acting as a very weird scout). It could have been picking something up hidden there earlier or they learned were present. It being a scouting operation isn't something known.

We chose to reverse engineer one of the three suitcase nukes we captured intact, but I don't think we made any explicit votes about them since then?
We chose to research Alamo nuclear missiles; no idea how our stockpile of those has changed with that development.
 
Turn 45 - A Man is Made out of Mud

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Turn 45 - A Man is Made out of Mud

Looking back you realize you’d actually heard about the first little domino that fell. A tiny one paragraph story in the Griffsport Times about a small luxury shuttlecraft lease service going bankrupt. You remembered that bit because the business model seemed a bit unique, they leased out ultra-high end luxury shuttles to people on a by-the-hour basis. The company had overextended itself as the sufficient demand for the service never materialized.

Then a company that built custom shuttles went out of business, their latest model year offering had failed to gain any traction in the marketplace, and on top of a few hard years in the past it was too much for them. This story actually made the HD news, but more because a few celebrity analysts had been touting the stock just weeks before the fatal earnings report came out that sank the company.

Then came the first boulder to fall as the avalanche began. A major personal automobile firm announced catastrophically bad earnings, driven by the corporation's complete failure to anticipate shifting market demands combined with excessive structural debt and a botched marketing campaign. The company wasn’t in any danger of imminent bankruptcy, but had announced massive layoffs and that they were closing a number of factories, marques, and product lines.

This was followed on the same day by another manufacturer in the automobile sector announcing one of the largest product recalls in planetary history. It wasn’t anything truly stupendous, the fix would take 15 minutes at any dealership and involved a $5 part. Nobody had gotten hurt, but the product was ‘out of spec’ so the manufacturer was fastidiously making it right at their own expense. That the reason for it being out of spec was that said part was painted the wrong color and thus, if somebody were to open the hood that particular part would clash with the rest of the engine compartment made it just a little ridiculous. But the pump was now primed.

Then a major player in the personal electronics sector announced their own corporate restructuring due to failing to meet earnings targets. And the bears started to roar.

Within an hour automatic triggers had halted trading on all of the Stock Exchanges, but the damage had been done. The market was down almost 25% in a single day, and the Futures market was looking grim.

The resultant slump in the markets led to several small investment firms to fall below Minimum Assets At Hand limits, triggering additional contagion throughout the financial sector as the now over-leveraged firms were forced to frantically raise capital to meet their obligations. This led to several of the largest investment banks in the Empire hitting those same MAAH limits as the capital markets were shaken by events.

By the next morning you were notified that the single largest Corporate Bank in the Empire was facing imminent failure as they had overextended themselves into those same failing investment banks and would fail to meet their own Asset Holding requirements. This had led to several runs on the regular banks throughout the empire as citizens attempted to protect themselves from the possible failures of those banks as well.

It was a serious mess. The economist in you realizes that this is an essential part of the business cycle, that these firms had, despite no wrongdoing or malfeasance, been swept up in a storm of ultimately poor bets on the markets. If they’d zigged instead of zagged they’d have made out like bandits, and indeed a few smaller banks had done just that and would survive just fine. But they’d zagged in a zig situation, and, stretching the metaphor to the limits and beyond, took financial torpedoes below the waterline and were sinking fast.

Your advisors are torn. Bridget puts it very succinctly. “Head says let it go, this will ultimately shake out with a healthier economy in the long term, the companies that are unable to survive this are consuming capital that healthier companies need to thrive. Heart looks at all the people who, ultimately through no fault of their own, are getting hurt by this by losing jobs, investments portfolios, and retirement funds, and wants to step in and make their pain go away by propping up the failing companies.”

That is the rub. You take the time to read through the materials on all of the firms involved, and can see that many of them were older, larger, somewhat sclerotic firms that had been coasting for some time on past glories and reputations. They’d gotten complacent, and it had ruined them. Letting the fire rage in the short term would hurt, no doubt about it, but in the end you’d have nice fertile soil for new companies to rise up in. On the other hand, the sheer human cost could make it such that those companies might be considered too big to fail, because their failure simply hurts too much.

[]ActionResult
[]Let the Free Market take its course
  • -10 Imperial Approval
  • -10 Approval Change
  • +10 Economic Rating
  • +10 Economic Event
  • +10 Rating Change each planet
  • Raise Econ Rating Cap on each planet by 10
[]Intervene by subsidizing the vulnerable companies
  • Cost - 1,000,000
  • Ongoing cost - 100,000
    • Can cancel at any time, however at that time there will be a 2d5% reduction in GDP for each planet
  • +5% GDP each planet this year only
  • +5 Imperial Approval
  • +10 Approval Change
  • +10 Politics
  • -10 Economic Rating
  • -10 Economic Event
  • -20 Economy Rating each planet
  • Lower Econ Rating Cap on each planet by 10

QM Notes - After 2 rerolls this was the best you got for Meta Event. -30% GDP on each planet. (actual event was -1d4*10 percent reduction, so you got a little lucky)
 

Lancelot

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QM Notes - After 2 rerolls this was the best you got for Meta Event. -30% GDP on each planet. (actual event was -1d4*10 percent reduction, so you got a little lucky)

How about an option where we use that million to support the PEOPLE that are about to get fucked by this instead of a bunch of companies? Help them keep houses, cars, find new jobs, and shit like that?

This really shouldn't be a binary choice.
 

LordSunhawk

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How about an option where we use that million to support the PEOPLE that are about to get fucked by this instead of a bunch of companies? Help them keep houses, cars, find new jobs, and shit like that?

This really shouldn't be a binary choice.

Because your Social Safety Net is already robust enough to do just that without any additional intervention from you. You *do* have a very strong system already in place to help people like that. However, they still have the economic pain of possible relocation, losing jobs they loved, etc.
 

Big Steve

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Option C) Government Stewardship in place of subsidy, with the companies allowed to keep running as internal restructuring is performed to restore them to health, which keeps people at their jobs at least, but which doesn't allow for the companies to ignore the need to change in view of market shifts.

If not... shit. Okay, social safety net's there. A. Rip the bandage off if we can't heal the wound more gently.
 

Wageslave

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[X] Let the Free Market take its course
-[X] There are going to be a lot of folks that are going to be looking for something to do because of the Free Market taking it's course. Without subsidizing failure, provide for greater opportunity to increase culture, technology, and society as a whole. Not a hand-out, it's still going to require work, but build from this rather than either cave back to fossilized thinking or letting a lot of bored people with nothing to do run around getting into a lot of trouble.
 

Jarow

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[X] Let the Free Market take its course

Well, next turn is going to hurt. Fortunately this turn we still got decent tax rate roll, so this turn's budget isn't that bad. Hopefully enough leftover to fund next turn, when we hopefully start to get back to normal growth patterns.
 

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