COVIDiocy: Setting the Scene by guccibananabricks

Bassoe

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The real "plandemic"
The American political establishment - both parties - consciously sabotaged the public health response to COVID-19 every step of the way. The assumption in polite discourse is that these people didn't know what they were doing but of course they knew. After China sequenced the virus and embarked on the most energetic anti-pandemic measures in world history, members of Congress made their inside trades. Later, these same politicians would claim that China deceived them, while citing as proof the alleged early warnings from their own intelligence services. In other words: "China was deceiving us and we knew this from the very start! Now if only they were honest the whole thing could've been avoided, believe me ... " How such transparently idiotic excuses can pass the laugh test is the story of COVIDiocy but we'll come back to that. Let's just say that these claims pass muster for the same reasons as the insane policies they are intended to excuse.

Phase I
At the outset, accredited experts in the medical establishment and self-diagnosed wonks in the liberal media insisted that the whole thing wasn't even "the flu" and loudly discouraged any personal precautions, most famously masks. Operating under the principle of "no bad news," the Trump administration sabotaged testing from the start. And while Trump boasted about keeping his beautiful border secure, US citizens were recalled en masse from China without any screening at the said border. According to Trumpist propaganda, the "China virus" was either the product foreign malfeasance or "just the flu" and the "Democrats' new hoax." One the other side of the "cultural divide," Democratic politicians focused on the scourge of racism, with Pelosi attending the festivities in Chinatown and AOC encouraging New Yorkers to get Chinese food.

As cases mounted, DeBlasio desperately fought parents and teachers' unions to keep schools open, and even made a point of taking the subway to assure folks there was nothing to worry about. De Blasio continued to deny asymptomatic transmission into late April. Desperate to wrap up his victory against Sanders, Biden prodded his geriatric supporters to take their booties to the polling booths. A short trip for many, since thousands of polling stations were located inside nursing homes. And of course a short while later Cuomo was to orchestrate a genocide of nursing homes of his state, a fact now largely buried under the revelations of his creepiness around young sexy staffers. As the crisis reached explosive proportions, Koch's astroturfers swung into action to protest non-existent "lockdowns", conducting armed demonstrations in pickup convoys, blocking hospital entrances, and sacking legislatures. Economic assistance - the prerequisite to any kind of real social distancing - was delayed to the last minute and amounted to pittance while business received its usual full luxury bailout.

Phase II
But that was just Phase I. The pathetic public health response got an assist from the summer heat and, against all odds, the virus started to go into remission. This was the second "missed opportunity" to clamp down on transmission, and here again the ruling class kicked away life raft. It was at this time, that the "real pandemic" of racism suddenly became a matter of true political urgency. Assured by the usual coterie of experts that being a liberal immunized you from COVID and host of other ailments, "the left" happily went on a riot. With BLM as the battering ram, containment measures were being dismantled in the blue state. For the ruling class, the tragic death of one man and the nebulous scourge of "racism" provided a welcome distraction from the catastrophic statistics of mass death and pauperization. That was Phase II, and it set the stage for the dark winter of 2020-21, where hundreds of thousands would perish. The second phase of the economic rescue package would be pushed back even further.

Phase III
It's now winter of 2021 and, while still dark, it's morning in America. Beams of decency project from the newly-anointed-one's arms, embracing America in its hour of need. By definition, the Trumpdemic is over and the Biden Recovery is nigh: time to reopen the country for business. Despite much early concern trolling from the liberals, Trump's beautiful vaccines proved to be more effective than many imagined, and they arrived sooner than people were told to expect, just in time for Bidens' coronation as luck would have it. There's an export ban on vaccines and big pharma is pumping them out like rivets, so despite the comically botched logistics there will soon be enough for everybody.

Slowly but surely the signal to gut public health restrictions propagates down the chain of command to the cadres at the state-local level and the liberal press. Now in power, liberals openly embrace the key planks of Trumpism: liberate the economy, open the schools, fund the police. On the eve of Delta (discovered in May), and against the better judgement of the vast majority of the population, Biden dismantes masking guidelines and guts OSHA regulations. Testing is basically a thing of the past and insurance companies are back to sticking COVID patients with the bill. By July 4th, with less than 50% of the country vaccinated, it's time for the proverbial mission accomplished photo-op before shit hits the fan again. In a well publicized appearance, "Dr." Jill Biden assures a crowd of liberal fart-huffers that the air "smell much sweeter without our masks."

Now the country's back to one 9/11 a day and hospitals are at capacity. The administration has restored the original masking guidance and has implemented a vaccine mandate, both measures that have overwhelming popular support if we pretend like that matters. But it's too little too late. Before delta, mRNA vaccines were incredibly effective at stopping both transmission and death. Hospitalizations plummeted even before half the country got vaxxed. This was no longer the start of the pandemic where officials were strapped for means to deal with a problem of their own making. The PPE, the vaccines, the testing infrastructure, the know-how and the precedents were all there. All of these in conjunction could have stopped the deadly Delta wave, at least long enough for most people to get vaccinated and for the immunocompromised to get another year of life expectancy. Instead, Biden responded with a vaccine mandate only after it became clear that overflowing hospitals and downtime would be bad for capital (aka the Biden Recovery).

Follow the money, fuck the science
At the every juncture, the ruling class has deliberately kicked away the life raft. The US ruling class in particular has worked to ensure not only national catastrophe but a global one as well, taking the opportunity to starve foreign "adversaries" and to shore up its pharmaceutical monopolies as it truned the country into a global super-spreader, making containment of the virus impossible internationally. The statetegy to the whole thing was clear from the beginning: barely-controlled spread and a flood of PR to deal with the fallout. Rick Santelli blurted out the plan in one of his trademark "fuck you I got mine" CNBC rants: just give everyone COVID and get it over with before profits tank any further. The likes of Trump and Boris Johnson echoed the same message.

While playing dumb comes naturally to politicians, they're not literally retarded. When Wuhan went into quarantine, members of Congress sold their stocks, then bought them again just before the bailout. The benefits aren't just personal. A million COVID deaths, with millions more in waiting, delivers savings on entitlements beyond the Koch Bros' wettest dreams. Business is booming in health care, bio-tech and Silicon Valley, while the bailouts have created a bull market for capital as a whole. The decision to make COVID go endemic has created a permanent market for the producers of vaccines. Cuomo's decision to let COVID-19 rip through nursing homes was the profit-maximizing move, not only for his allies in the care industry but also for his state's finances. Last, but surely not least, the population has been taught a valuable political lesson: you have no right to life, never mind the pursuit of happiness, so curb your expectations. Progressives hoped COVID would build political momentum for M4A. Instead, the "plandemic" - to borrow a term from the useful COVIDiots - has postmarked the policy as a letter to Santa Claus, and this time definitively and indefinitely. Who cares about about 20,000 yearly deaths due to private insurance when COVID kills that many every couple weeks?

Losing the battle against the pandemic is the point. With the unchecked spread of Delta, the Pandora's box has been opened for good. Suppose the govt took serious measures to contain the pandemic and they worked. That would cost a lot of money and would obligate the neoliberal state to continue in the same vein for possibly years to come. But if you let it rip and create a "hopeless situation", there's nothing to do except flatten the curve while hospital capacity catches up. In short, the ruling class knew the stakes and acted accordingly. The price of their decisions was, to quote Madeline Albright, "worth it."

The useful COVIDiots
The profundity of "failure" in the "richest country on earth" required a PR offensive of comparable breadth and depth, involving everyone from the The New York Times to The Epoch Times. Thus the task of ruling class propagandists was to convince a sizable chunk of the population that the calamity didn't either happen or wasn't such big a deal and even if it was it couldn't be helped and was somebody else's fault. All manner of excuses and diversions have been floated: it's either totally under control or it's unstoppable; the authorities are either doing their best or they're doing too much; it's just the flu; getting sick is the price of freedom; it's all the fault of the WHO/CCP/GOP/Trump/Gates/Bezos/Soros/Fauci, the anti-vaxxers, the smug liberals, the rednecks, the racists, the sexists, the Asians, the blacks and obviously the Jews. The only common thread in this torrent of mutually contradictory and transparently idiotic bullshit is the ultimate goal of getting the ruling class off the hook. As long as all the roads lead to Rome - the more the merrier. The strength of this propaganda lies in quantity, not quality.

Dumb and dumber
This PR operation may be summed up by the term "COVIDiocy." Contrary to the self-serving definition of COVIDiocy employed by the propagandists themselves, this term does not apply chiefly to obscurantism and scientific illiteracy of the broader population. COVIDiocy is "his masters voice," which is in turn disseminated to the broader layers, particularly to traditional social bases of reaction, where it is mashed up and amplified in all sorts of creative ways. It's no coincidence that the places with the most horrific COVID records and consequently the greatest need for COVIDiotic PR - countries like Brazil, Russia and the US - have seen a flowering of anti-vaxxerism, COVID denialism, snake oil marketing, idealistic conspiracy-mongering, national-patriotic hysteria, and sociopathic "libertarianism." Countries that have had less catastrophic responses have less COVIDiot propaganda circulating because there's less of a need for it.

Such sentiments were both directly disseminated by various factions of the political and business elite, including at the highest levels of govt, and indirectly legitimized by the state's overall policy of handling COVID-19 as if it was basically "just the flu." On COVID, as on all other issues, the far-right has served as a compatible "opposition" to the neoliberal "establishment," echoing the aforementioned master's voice in angrier and nuttier tones. And as we've seen with Trump, the far-right will posture as a beleaguered "opposition" even as wins power at all levels of government.

In this play of dumb and dumber, the extremist wing of COVIDiocy hogs a space that might otherwise become occupied by a genuine popular opposition, siphoning off a portion of latent popular discontent and silencing the rest. The establishment wing of COVIDiocy gets to appear reasonable in comparison, while throwing up its hands in pretend-desperation and moving to accommodate the ultras. One need only look back at the Tea Party's intervention in the Obama era "heathcare debate" to see how the game is played. The Tea Party was child's play compared to what we've seen over the course of the pandemic, where the psyop went global and recruited not only from the far-right but also from the center and parts of the left.

Despite the best efforts of the ruling class, COVIDiocy has by and large remained a fringe attitude among workers, with majorities supporting existing restrictions or advocating tougher ones. Trump lost the election due to his mishandling of the pandemic while even some of Bolsonaro's base is defecting to the PT. Biden rescinded masking guidelines against the clear wishes of the majority of the population. Anti-COVID policies have, by and large, enjoyed majority support even in Russia, the country with record-busting levels of vaccine hesitancy and COVID denialism.

None of this is to say that nihilistic quackery was somehow invented out of whole cloth by the ruling class while self-isolated in some smoke-free retreat. As with any other ideological and political phenomenon - including the state's response to the pandemic - it is determined in the last instance by the means and relations of production. For Marxists, the analysis of "root causes" in no way downplays the bourgeoisie's responsibility for the crisis but rather serves to pad and structure the class enemy's dossier. In the hands of bourgeois ideologues, by contrast, "deep analysis" invariably devolves into some bullshit about about a "hugely complex" situation in which "we" - but mostly "you" and "they" - are all complicit.

The "crisis of democracy"?
It has become popular in establishment COVIDiotic circles to blame pandemic failures on a "crisis of legitimacy," as if the virus would go away if only the public had trusted and obeyed the officials' frequent directives to basically ignore it. In the same vein, there is talk of a "crisis of democracy," as if Trump's America, Bolsonaro's Brazil and Putin's Russia have too much of it. Supposedly, our rulers wanted to protect the people's health, but alas the people said "no!" and they were too nice to press the matter. Truly, our ruling class is too good for this fallen world! The lapdog press will of course print any fairytale that makes their paymasters look good, even if it's an Orwellian inversion of reality as in this case. But, aside from frequent repetition, how does this fairy-tale earn literally any "credibility"? The ultra-COVIDiotic "populists" lend it that credibility by: a) vastly exaggerating the seriousness of existing anti-COVID restrictions, thereby giving credence to the idea that the govt is working super hard to protect public health, and b) protesting these chimeras in the name of "regular people" and against the "elites." While this right-wing "populist opposition" is in actuality a billionaire-backed lunatic fringe, they do put on a helluva of show.

As previously noted, COVIDiocy broke the sound barrier in countries where the most rapacious neoliberal kleptocrats and plutocrats ushered in the most disastrous COVID policies. The only question is whether this will go unchallenged. In places where political power has been fully monopolized by the bourgeoisie, the COVIDiocy dominates the entire political spectrum. This is the case in the US, a one-party plutocracy with two right wings, and in Russia, a presidential kleptocracy with a decorative multi-party hem. In such cases, nearly all "opposition" is either fully controlled by the ruling class or entirely marginal. In the American model, the two right-wing parties take turns playing "the resistance" while remaining in lockstep agreement on the substantive issues, especially when it comes to mass murder. Trump was impeached twice on issues completely unrelated to his handling of the pandemic. Joe Biden stated that he "did not want to have a political fight with Trump" on that point. The American left has for its part either endorsed Biden's reopen agenda, or remained silent on the issue. They didn't take it very seriously to begin with: some declaring racism to be the real pandemic and others eventually joined the libertarian right in opposing the "job and freedom-killing" restrictions. In the Russian case, the regime presides over the highest death rates in the world then blatantly lies about the numbers to reassure the public, while the "Communist" wing of the systemic opposition organizes anti-vaxxer rallies. In Brazil the situation has been radically different. The country has a dynamic and powerful left which has challenged Bolsonaro's COVID response at every step. Now Brazil's senate has launched an indictment against the president for crimes against humanity.

Addendum: Nuanced COVIDiots
A year and a half into this orgy of bloodletting - a decent interval in the current news cycle - a "fog of war" mythology that paints the ruling classes as the victims of circumstance has enveloped much of political commentary. It was a black swan you, they didn't know, we're all culpable, it's all very deep, complex, inevitable and multifaceted. To these lovers of nuance, the whole thing was both an unfortunate accident and a grim fate. The compatible left has predictably joined this circle-jerk with its own musings about neoliberalism, equity and the systems of oppression, most of these being vague tangents at best and deliberate distractions at worst.

This type of commentary is designed to blunt the political edge of the crisis and confuse the already confused "left". It touches the political and material ramifications of the crisis only in passing, quibbles over irrelevant minutia, and mostly focuses on cultural commentary. The common trait among these commentators is their singular obsession with "the discourse" and their own self-image as independent thoughful intellectuals.Instead of unearthing salient, often inconvenient facts - something that requires expertise and a certain amount of courage - they simply try to keep on top of the evolving ruling class discourse, triangulating to either the left and right depending on the situation. Instead of exposing the lies of the ruling class, they deviate from the elite consensus just enough to give off an of "independence" while fundamentally serving as its apologists. To the extent they make any definitely claims and predictions, they always hendge and maneuver in the hopes that nobody will notice when they are proven wrong.

In sum, their commentary has the carefully cultivated consistency of snot and their message boils down to to calling the pandemic a land of contrasts. Pseuds like Zaynep Tufekci, Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald figure among the luminaries of this COVIDiotic nuance.
Thoughts?
 

bintananth

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The initial COVID response was botched by everyone. There is no doubt about that. The Chinese authorities even silenced doctors publicly warning that this virus was a problem (see: Dr. Li Wenliang - who died of COVID - for one example) because they were causing public unrest.

What came after - and is still happening - was a combination of "if we ignore it, it'll go away" and "we have to be seen doing something about it."

COVID needs to be taken seriously because it can be deadly and stuff like wearing a mask in public, paying more attention to sanitation, and social distancing do slow the spread. Stuff like lockdowns, shutdowns, and curfews probably don't add much to preventing the spread except at the margins while disproportionally disrupting everyone.

I will not comment on the vaccines. Those were rush jobs.

Quarantines and travel restrictions to prevent it spreading further do make sense because once a virus gets loose, it's not going away without the kind effort that went into eliminating smallpox - which was vastly worse than COVID and took centuries to eradicate. Samples of that are kept in labs just in case it crops up again and vaccines need to be mass produced.

Note: I will not comment on the effectiveness of current COVID vaccines because they're emergency "better than nothing" rush jobs.

Note: Polio was also once one of the most feared diseases in the US until a vaccine was available. Surviving smallpox disfigures you. Surviving polio can leave you so paralyzed that you can't breathe without external assistance and Iron Lungs are pretty nifty for being very primitive* and non-invasive.

* They work by pumping air in and out of a chamber surrounding every part of the patient from the neck down. They use air pressure differences between the atmosphere, the chamber, and the lungs to expand and contract the patient's lungs. They basically force what diaphragms evolved to do.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
Quarantines and travel restrictions to prevent it spreading further do make sense because once a virus gets loose, it's not going away without the kind effort that went into eliminating smallpox - which was vastly worse than COVID and took centuries to eradicate. Samples of that are kept in labs just in case it crops up again and vaccines need to be mass produced.

Smallpox is. . . complicated. Early forms of vaccination existed in China at least as far back as 1549 and the Chinese methods had at least been heard of by Western medicine by 1700, although not widely adopted.

Jenner's famous vaccine was invented in 1796, but adoption was not actually very widespread until governments took action. The British government made vaccination the only legal treatment for smallpox in 1842, banning the older practice of inoculation, then doubled down with a compulsory vaccination program in 1853. In the United States, compulsory vaccination programs were rolled out on a state-by-state basis starting with Massachusetts in 1843. These compulsory vaccination programs were highly successful; by the turn of the century, smallpox was relatively rare in industrialized countries.

The next step of coordinated international efforts to outright eradicate smallpox, however, did not start until 1950, with the Pan-American Health Organization's highly succesful campaign to eliminate smallpox in the Americas. This led to the 1958 World Health Assembly call for a fully global anti-smallpox initiative, which was *not* so successful due to a lack of resources and cooperation. The global eradication of smallpox did not really start until the World Health Organization started providing substantial funding *and* pushed for the adoption of "disease surveillance" based statistical epidemiology methods in 1967 -- by 1975, the WHO-led effort had eradicated smallpox everywhere except the Horn of Africa, where the sheer remoteness of settlements plus famine and civil war made medical outreach tremendously difficult. Nonetheless, the last naturally occuring case of smallpox in history was recorded in 1977.

After extensive testing, the formal conclusion that smallpox had indeed been eradicated was declared in 1980.

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In other words, "how long it took" really depends on how you measure, because the *actual campaign* to eradicate smallpox only ran from 1958 to 1980, and pretty much all actual progress happened from just 1967 to 1977.
 

bintananth

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In other words, "how long it took" really depends on how you measure, because the *actual campaign* to eradicate smallpox only ran from 1958 to 1980, and pretty much all actual progress happened from just 1967 to 1977.
I was born in '79 and am not inoculated for smallpox or polio. My parents were given the vaccines.
 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist

Glenn as a luminary? He defended Lula. So I am not taking him seriously. For the rest. None of the shit in the West worked and anyone can see the numbers have been jacked up and I am more worried about supposed social democrats, liberals and centrists turning totalitarian. A la Italy and France.

I am in the first country.
 

BlackDragon98

Freikorps Kommandant
Banned - Politics
Are you saying that the pandemic is a Clone Wars type situation and Trump and Biden are simply two sides of the same Cabalist coin?

Because I'm starting to believe that now.
 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
Are you saying that the pandemic is a Clone Wars type situation and Trump and Biden are simply two sides of the same Cabalist coin?

Because I'm starting to believe that now.

Be me.

Before COVID19 Pandemic : maybe some conspiracies might be true ?

After COVID19 Pandemic : even lizard people sound rational now after all what the conspiracy theorist theories turned out to be true.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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No, I think Trump was, possibly, the only player NOT part of the scheme.
Trump runs into the Darth Jar Jar problem.

He decided to run for POTUS against their chosen one Hillary, and won, thus upsetting the 'liberal new world order' and 'great reset' that Hillary would probably have pushed. Before that, Trump was in the circles the 'cabal' live in, and he was one of the people they came to for nice places to play golf or to stay around the world, but he may not have been 'in' the cabal. He was a friend of the Clinton's before he decided to oppose Hillary, and Trump was one of the first to be willing to tell Epstein to get the fuck out when he realized what the...monster was up to.

I also understand why some people think Trump was/is in on all of it, all the way back to way before 2016, and may be a 'pied piper' who the cabal used to unite their opposoition in the open where they could be 'handled'. There are legit questions around some of Trump's actions and choices during the campaign which almost felt like he wanted to lose, even if I think he legitly won and the election was stolen from him. As well, he had to have known Jan 6th would be infil'ed by plenty of glowies and Antifa looking to cause problems, like with so many other right wing gatherings had been for the last year or so, or really since his presidency began.

So while I think Trump is outside the cabal, was sabotaged all the time by Pence or the other establishment hacks in his admin/campaign, and legitly won in 2020...I can still understand those who think he may have been in on all of it and just used his celeb status to unite the opposition to the elite out in the open.
 

Terthna

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Trump runs into the Darth Jar Jar problem.

He decided to run for POTUS against their chosen one Hillary, and won, thus upsetting the 'liberal new world order' and 'great reset' that Hillary would probably have pushed. Before that, Trump was in the circles the 'cabal' live in, and he was one of the people they came to for nice places to play golf or to stay around the world, but he may not have been 'in' the cabal. He was a friend of the Clinton's before he decided to oppose Hillary, and Trump was one of the first to be willing to tell Epstein to get the fuck out when he realized what the...monster was up to.

I also understand why some people think Trump was/is in on all of it, all the way back to way before 2016, and may be a 'pied piper' who the cabal used to unite their opposoition in the open where they could be 'handled'. There are legit questions around some of Trump's actions and choices during the campaign which almost felt like he wanted to lose, even if I think he legitly won and the election was stolen from him. As well, he had to have known Jan 6th would be infil'ed by plenty of glowies and Antifa looking to cause problems, like with so many other right wing gatherings had been for the last year or so, or really since his presidency began.

So while I think Trump is outside the cabal, was sabotaged all the time by Pence or the other establishment hacks in his admin/campaign, and legitly won in 2020...I can still understand those who think he may have been in on all of it and just used his celeb status to unite the opposition to the elite out in the open.
Trump may be outside of the cabal, but he made the mistake of trusting people who were in it to advise him and carry out his orders. I think he vastly underestimated the scope of what he was up against, and how ideologically driven his enemies were.
 

BlackDragon98

Freikorps Kommandant
Banned - Politics
Trump runs into the Darth Jar Jar problem.

He decided to run for POTUS against their chosen one Hillary, and won, thus upsetting the 'liberal new world order' and 'great reset' that Hillary would probably have pushed. Before that, Trump was in the circles the 'cabal' live in, and he was one of the people they came to for nice places to play golf or to stay around the world, but he may not have been 'in' the cabal. He was a friend of the Clinton's before he decided to oppose Hillary, and Trump was one of the first to be willing to tell Epstein to get the fuck out when he realized what the...monster was up to.

I also understand why some people think Trump was/is in on all of it, all the way back to way before 2016, and may be a 'pied piper' who the cabal used to unite their opposoition in the open where they could be 'handled'. There are legit questions around some of Trump's actions and choices during the campaign which almost felt like he wanted to lose, even if I think he legitly won and the election was stolen from him. As well, he had to have known Jan 6th would be infil'ed by plenty of glowies and Antifa looking to cause problems, like with so many other right wing gatherings had been for the last year or so, or really since his presidency began.

So while I think Trump is outside the cabal, was sabotaged all the time by Pence or the other establishment hacks in his admin/campaign, and legitly won in 2020...I can still understand those who think he may have been in on all of it and just used his celeb status to unite the opposition to the elite out in the open.
I suppose Trump's intentions were pure but his movement was completely and utterly infiltrated by Cabalist personnel, not limited to Pence and Co.

Remember that silver coin Pence got at Biden's inauguration?

He's the chief Judas.
 

gral

Well-known member
Glenn as a luminary? He defended Lula.

Not to mention that, for one who seems to be against a lot of what the Press does in the US, he doesn't seem to mind doing the same things in Brazil against the government headed by someone he doesn't like.

As for the article, it seems like he's torturing a lot of things that happened into the picture he wants to see - to me, that's quite apparent when he mentions Brazilian political events.
 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
Trump runs into the Darth Jar Jar problem.

He decided to run for POTUS against their chosen one Hillary, and won, thus upsetting the 'liberal new world order' and 'great reset' that Hillary would probably have pushed. Before that, Trump was in the circles the 'cabal' live in, and he was one of the people they came to for nice places to play golf or to stay around the world, but he may not have been 'in' the cabal. He was a friend of the Clinton's before he decided to oppose Hillary, and Trump was one of the first to be willing to tell Epstein to get the fuck out when he realized what the...monster was up to.

I also understand why some people think Trump was/is in on all of it, all the way back to way before 2016, and may be a 'pied piper' who the cabal used to unite their opposoition in the open where they could be 'handled'. There are legit questions around some of Trump's actions and choices during the campaign which almost felt like he wanted to lose, even if I think he legitly won and the election was stolen from him. As well, he had to have known Jan 6th would be infil'ed by plenty of glowies and Antifa looking to cause problems, like with so many other right wing gatherings had been for the last year or so, or really since his presidency began.

So while I think Trump is outside the cabal, was sabotaged all the time by Pence or the other establishment hacks in his admin/campaign, and legitly won in 2020...I can still understand those who think he may have been in on all of it and just used his celeb status to unite the opposition to the elite out in the open.

Trump may be outside of the cabal, but he made the mistake of trusting people who were in it to advise him and carry out his orders. I think he vastly underestimated the scope of what he was up against, and how ideologically driven his enemies were.


Trump on what happened to him reminds of two historical figures I admire very much.

Thomas Sankara. Betrayed by those he trusted.

Amilcar Cabral. Betrayed by those he trusted.

Only difference is he lived. They didn't.
 

Navarro

Well-known member
In other words, "how long it took" really depends on how you measure, because the *actual campaign* to eradicate smallpox only ran from 1958 to 1980, and pretty much all actual progress happened from just 1967 to 1977.

A key factor is that Smallpox was super easy mode to eradicate AND was unknown inside the first world by the time the campaign started.
 

ATP

Well-known member
There is one good explanation - world elites wonted controlled catastrophe which they use to take over.If they start WW3,it could backfire,CV is harmless enough to use it.
Problem is - it could be human stupidity,too.It is hard to distinguish evil puppeters from genuine idiots.
 

Bassoe

Well-known member
Are you saying that the pandemic is a Clone Wars type situation and Trump and Biden are simply two sides of the same Cabalist coin?

Because I'm starting to believe that now.
Nah, that doesn't fit with the evidence. Why'd the corpocracy want to remove Trump when he governed as a standard-issue neoconservative/neoliberal stooge? Furthermore, if the intention was to get Trump out of office in favor of Biden, why, as soon as Biden was in office, didn't the media start reporting the pandemic was over and reclassifying any remaining covid deaths as flu rather than vice versa, instead of continuing the massively unpopular quarantine and supply chain collapse? His approval ratings would've been through the roof as the hero who beat covid, whereas now, he's probably gonna be a one-term president.
 

LindyAF

Well-known member
OK...you're gonna have to support that claim of Trump being a "standard neocon/neolib stooge".

They wanted Trump gone simply b/c Trump was working to "drain the swamp." Trump sought to remove their access to power and money.

Trump wasn't a standard neocon.

But Trump's administration did govern like one - they didn't govern very unusually for a Republican. In 2016-2018 there was a Republican House, Senate, and SC. What actually got passed? Paul Ryan's tax cut plan. Throughout his office what was always the big focus, the place where Republicans were consistently pushing hard? Judges - McConnell's pet issue. Both neocons.

President's have pretty broad powers when it comes to foreign policy- Trump campaigned on the fact that Bush's middle eastern wars were a criminal mistake that wasted American blood and treasure, and we didn't even get the oil. But how did that turn out? Mattis resigned over leaving Syria, but the American empire didn't even leave. It eventually left Afghanistan... after Trump had left office, more because no increase in US involvement led to the Taliban outcompeting the DC-backed regime there.

We can also look at Pardons. Who did he actually pardon? Israeli spies who stole US secrets, a medicare fraudster, Kushner's corrupt dad. The Jan 6th protestors? Nope.

Look at the people that surrounded Trump in office, made up his cabinet, etc. They were largely swamp creatures - Barr, Trump's AG, was one of the guys who organized the defense for the murderer of Vicki Weaver. Pompeo, a spook. CRT Milley.

Trump had good instincts, usually, and it did seem to me like his heart was usually in the right place - he could point out many of the problems. But he didn't really have the will or conception to do anything about them. He was a deal-maker in a situation where no deals were possible, not a leader or a fighter. If Trump was the guy we needed, he'd have been at the front on Jan 6th. Instead he was denouncing them on twitter in an attempt to save his twitter account (which didn't work).

I do think the system wanted him gone though - not because it needed him gone, but because they're increasingly incompetent and emotional.
 
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