So? It's a very much Christian holiday that only Christians celebrate. That's establishing a religion.Christmas didn't start out as Christian ya know...
So? It's a very much Christian holiday that only Christians celebrate. That's establishing a religion.Christmas didn't start out as Christian ya know...
A lot more ARE. Which is honestly why this always becomes an argument. Because when one side is for keeping a quasi secularised traditional holiday and another opposes it on grounds that the history behind it is from a religion that the majority are still a part of but that group quasi opposes things arent exactly clean.I'm not. A lot of Americans aren't.
Would be cleaner. People who ACTUALLY celebrate chirstmas can. And degenerates coasting off the brand can vacation in Hawaii another day of the year.So replace the federal holiday system with a legislated minimum number of paid vacation days per year to be used as the worker pleases?
Yep, the Christian calenders is the most accurate dating system by far.I'm not. A lot of Americans aren't.
I'm pretty indifferent about it, but I'd argue it's pretty well grandfathered in. I suppose others might push for just changing the name to some kind of more universal "winter holiday" but that would be pretty lame. Hell, I still stubbornly insist on using BC and AD for dates just because BCE and CE are lame. And there's nothing wrong with recognizing Christianity's contributions to our society, which includes the current dating system.
Yes, as a Roman-aboo I am aware of the Roman holiday it is based on, as well as the Scandinavian traditions that were thrown in there.Christmas didn't start out as Christian ya know...
So you claim to want your country to recognize a deity you yourself do not. That sure makes sense (not).Our nation was still founded in Christian principles.
I'm not a Christian either.
It is better that we have a nation that at least recognizes a God exists then a godless commie one.
Because Commies don't beilive in freedom if religion.
This isn't about Christmas, this is about having a religious statement on our currency and people getting their panties in a wad because people like myself want to get rid of it.A lot more ARE. Which is honestly why this always becomes an argument. Because when one side is for keeping a quasi secularised traditional holiday and another opposes it on grounds that the history behind it is from a religion that the majority are still a part of but that group quasi opposes things arent exactly clean.
Like even the Constitutional argument goes back to "The Writers of the Constitution were dumb for having Christmas as a holiday and were violation the Constitution!" Which they wrote and is kinda iffy about it legally anyway but thats our reading of it and we are sticking with it because it supports our opinion.
Like I have minimal stake in this either way. Either a mostly wholesome and traditional day of celebration stays on a countries list of official holidays. Or there are 2 less free vacation days over paid bums get a year.
But that tear down a traditional holiday because it doesn't stick with my beliefs kinda rubs me wrong.
And yet it devolved to "Lets Abolish Christmas" in less than 50 posts. Seriously you westerners really make the case for the slippery slope deniers a hard one.This isn't about Christmas, this is about having a religious statement on our currency and people getting their panties in a wad because people like myself want to get rid of it.
Is Kwanza something celebrated outside of western nations?Yep, the Christian calenders is the most accurate dating system by far.
Personally I feel keep Christmas, but also add in Federal holidays for every major faith in the US, not just Christians. Getting Yom Kippur, Eid, Kwanza, and Sikh holidays off is a win-win as I see it.
As for the statues, @Zachowon I've decided Lee can go back up when the tide turns, but only because he turns out to have been a relative of Sir Christopher Lee and that's an accomplishment all on its own.
Does it mention a particular God?Yes, as a Roman-aboo I am aware of the Roman holiday it is based on, as well as the Scandinavian traditions that were thrown in there.
So you claim to want your country to recognize a deity you yourself do not. That sure makes sense (not).
Why get rid of it?This isn't about Christmas, this is about having a religious statement on our currency and people getting their panties in a wad because people like myself want to get rid of it.
I've seen celebrations around it in CO's schools since I was young, and it tends to get rolled into the general holiday atmosphere.Is Kwanza something celebrated outside of western nations?
'In God We Trust' was literally put on our money as an anti-Commie meme during the Cold War; it's hardly some long standing tradition.Does it mention a particular God?
It just says God.
Why get rid of it?
When, as S'task showed, the US has a VERY strong Christian base in i our seal.
It seems none of you understand that any if these changes would lead to a slippery slope of more first "In God we trust" then it is "Get rid of the people on them as they were slave owners" to having LGBTQ+ people on them.
I have never seen it, and the Nigerian guy I want to college with was Christian and very religious.I've seen celebrations around it in CO's schools since I was young, and it tends to get rolled into the general holiday atmosphere.
Lots of Ethiopians and Kenyan immigrants here who celebrate Kwanza, and the Rasta's tend to share in it as well.
'In God We Trust' was literally put on our money as an anti-Commie meme during the Cold War; it's hardly some long standing tradition.
I get the complaints of people who want it off our money, because we are a secular nation for a reason.
The Founders understood interdenominational fights between Christian sects could be very bloody, just look at Europe, and knew keeping any specific religion from getting governmemt favor was key to creating a lasting Republic.
Also, I do not see Sikhs, Jews, Wiccans, Muslims, or anyone besides Christians, demanding religious monuments be allowed on gov property or acting like the government not giving your religion favored status is 'oppression'.
Now thats a bit of a lie or just ignorance. Wiccans definetly have that lobbying for favors thing going on with the neo-pagan wannabes. Hindus just bring our little "monuments" with us to our jobs and work places being the proper pagans that we are. Jewish people and Muslims aren't supposed to have monuments in the first place.Also, I do not see Sikhs, Jews, Wiccans, Muslims, or anyone besides Christians, demanding religious monuments be allowed on gov property or acting like the government not giving your religion favored status is 'oppression'.
This is also true.Now thats a bit of a lie or just ignorance. Wiccans definetly have that lobbying for favors thing going on the neo-pagan wannabes. Hindus just bring our little "monuments" with us to our jobs or work places with us being the proper pagans that we are. Jewish people and Muslims aren't supposed to have monuments in the first place.
Now that has even less to do with wiccanism than actual old world religions do. Making Romanesque statues is a VAUNTED USA tradition!👨🏭Unless they are like me and want to built classic statues of the Roman gods just for the hell of it, most religions arnt large enough or have a need for them
How wonderfully intellectually dishonest. God is capitalized for a reason, which is that is the name of a deity - the Christian deity. Even other religions which claim to worship the same deity have different names for him.Does it mention a particular God?
It just says God.
And yet it was only added in the 1950s for what amounts to propaganda purposes.Why get rid of it?
When, as S'task showed, the US has a VERY strong Christian base in i our seal.
I am not going to abandon what I think is right just because it happens to overlap with what the commies want or claim to believe.It seems none of you understand that any if these changes would lead to a slippery slope of more first "In God we trust" then it is "Get rid of the people on them as they were slave owners" to having LGBTQ+ people on them.
Do I have to point out how everything people like bacle have said about Confederate statues WENT exactly how we said it would?How wonderfully intellectually dishonest. God is capitalized for a reason, which is that is the name of a deity - the Christian deity. Even other religions which claim to worship the same deity have different names for him.
And yet it was only added in the 1950s for what amounts to propaganda purposes.
I am not going to abandon what I think is right just because it happens to overlap with what the commies want or claim to believe.