Tiamat
I've seen the future...
By Sparky and Co., are you referring to the infamous M113-obsessed Sparks himself??
Combat Reform Respect Thread: Only Real Experts Allowed
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By Sparky and Co., are you referring to the infamous M113-obsessed Sparks himself??
Aaron Fox
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Yep, that idiot. He and the 'reformists' are something of a blight to the military community as a whole.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Sheesh, has it gotten THAT bad.? I figured if anything that group of wackos were just a sideshow on the internet for everyone else to point and laugh at.
Aaron Fox
Well-known member
Remember, these are the idiots that include Blacktail Defense... i.e. they think battleships are still top dog navally.
Aaron Fox
Well-known member
That is unless you're talking to the ignorant and Sparky's fanbase...
I still dont get what you are saying
Aaron Fox
Well-known member
Sparky and those under his... ideology... believe that radar shouldn't be a thing and that it is just useless junk...
Can someone post an idea of theirs? It cant be that bad..
Aaron Fox
Well-known member
Well, I do have a GDI-style Tunguska I drew up in GURPS Vehicle 2e (or 3rd Edition for you other folks)... three 45mm L/100 autocannons firing at a rate of 9 rounds per second each... firing SAPHE, APEX (fancier APHE), and HEPF (HE with a prox fuse) capable of hitting things at almost 11km out... backed by two quad-tube 200mm SAM launchers capable of hitting a target at 25km and a LAMS system that can hit missiles at 11km... oh and it has a top speed of 64.4km/h just to spite you.
GDI DIVAD-01 Sgt. York:
TL9 GDI DIVAD-01 Sgt. York Divisional SPAAG
GDI's Divisional Air Defense (DIVAD) SPAAG system, designed to maximize combat effectiveness in combat while retaining the ability to keep up with the various armored divisions. Based on the Tunguska and Pansir SPAAG systems, the Sgt. York is a capable weapon system.
Crew: 4 total; 1x Driver, 1x Gunner, 1x Electronic Warfare Officer (EWO), 1x Commander
Subassemblies: Vehicle +7, Hull +6, Turret [Hull:T] +5, Laser AMS Mount [Turret:T] +3, Laser AMS Mount [Turret:T] +3, Tracks +6.
P&P: 3,000-kW Main Fusion Reactor (200 year duration; short term access), eight 2,000-MJ rechargeable Laser AMS Battery Packs [Turret], 750-kW Drivetrain (short term access).
Fuel:
Occ: four cramped Crew Compartments (airbag, crashweb), 4-man NBCT Kit, 8 man-day Primary Life Sustaining System, 4 man-day Secondary Life Sustaining System Cargo:
Armor F RL B T U
Hull 6/120 5/60 4/30 4/40 4/30
Turret (T) 6/100 5/52 4/30 4/30 0/0
Laser AMS Mount (T) 3/30 3/30 3/30 3/30 0/0
Laser AMS Mount (T) 3/30 3/30 3/30 3/30 0/0
Tracks 4/60 4/40 4/30 4/40 4/30
Weaponry Malf Type Damage SS Acc 1/2D m Max m RoF TL
200mm GDI 200mm SAM Launcher (4-tube, Left) - Cr 0d 25 0 0 0 1/3 9
200mm GDI 200mm SAM Launcher (4-tube, Right) - Cr 0d 25 0 0 0 1/3 9
45mm GDI 45mm L/100 ETC-FLARE AAG (Triple Mount) Ver. (Crit.) Cr 7dx10 25 20 3,155 10,973 9 9
45mm APEX 45mm APEX Ammo Bin - Cr 7dx10(2) - 20 3,200 10,973 - 9
45mm HEPF 45mm HEPF Ammo Bin - Exp 5dx5 [4d] - 20 3,200 10,973 - 9
45mm SAPHE 45mm SAPHE Ammo Bin - Cr 7dx10(0.5) - 20 3,200 10,973 - 9
GDI 200mm SR-SAM Crit Exp 6dx1500[12d] - - 0 25,000 - 9
Violet LAMS Ver. Imp. 8d-1 14 21 5,700(x10) 11,000(x10) 4 9
Equipment
All: electromagnetic armor (emDR 16; front, right, left, top, rear). Hull: three Crew Terminalss; Combat Program-12 (C4); ten microframe Computer Cores (complexity 5; hardened, very high capacity, supercompact); Electronic Deception System (jammer rating 10); five +10 Fire Control Softwares (C9); two FutureWarrior Datalinks (C1); two military GPSs; IFF Transponder; two IFFs; four short range Laser Comms (200-mile range; scrambler); four Laser Detection Systems; short range Radio Set (100-mile range; VLF, ELF, direction finder); hitch; 4,000 rounds 45mm APEX 45mm APEX Ammo Bin; 4,000 rounds 45mm HEPF 45mm HEPF Ammo Bin; 4,000 rounds 45mm SAPHE 45mm SAPHE Ammo Bin. Turret (T): AA Mount; AESA (T, scan 20, 40-mile range; air search); Air LIDAR Targeting Array (T, scan 17, 10-mile range; air search, high-res imaging, LPI); four 200mm fast autoloader GDI 200mm SAM Launcher (4-tube, Left)s (L); four 200mm fast autoloader GDI 200mm SAM Launcher (4-tube, Right)s (R); three 45mm GDI 45mm L/100 ETC-FLARE AAG (Triple Mount)s (F, very long barrel; very fine (accurate), caseless ammo, electrothermal ammo, heavy auto); General Search LIDAR Array (T, scan 19, 20-mile range; air search, surface search, no targeting, high-res imaging, LPI); Ground LIDAR Targeting Array (T, scan 17, 10-mile range; surface search, high-res imaging, LPI); two HUDWACs (near miss indicator); two LASs (T); Left SAM Mount; two LLTVs (T, magnification x1,400); Right SAM Mount; 2,000 rounds 45mm APEX 45mm APEX Ammo Bin; three 0.513-m^3 45mm CASE Magaziness; 2,000 rounds 45mm HEPF 45mm HEPF Ammo Bin; 2,000 rounds 45mm SAPHE 45mm SAPHE Ammo Bin; 40 200mm GDI 200mm SR-SAMs (huge HEPF warhead; stealthy, compact mid-course update Skill-23 IIRH, compact mid-course update Skill-28 SARH, compact mid-course update Skill-23 ALH); 0.504-m^3 Battery Containment Unit; Gun Stabilizer. Laser AMS Mount (T): Anti-Missile System LIDAR (T, scan 17, 10-mile range; air search, surface search, high-res imaging); full stabilization; Violet LAMS Mount; 200-kJ Violet LAMS (T, long range). Laser AMS Mount (T): Anti-Missile System LIDAR (T, scan 17, 10-mile range; air search, surface search, high-res imaging); full stabilization; Violet LAMS Mount; 200-kJ Violet LAMS (T, long range).
Statistics
Size: [LxWxH] 15 m x5 m x4.69 m Payload: 15,926 kg Lwt.: 70,450 kg
Volume: 347 m^3 Maint.: 2.12 hours (45.2 mh/day) Price: $88,846,620
HT: 9 HP: 3,000 [Hull], 1,800 [Turret (T)], 38 [Laser AMS Mount (T)], 38 [Laser AMS Mount (T)], 1,500 each [2xTracks].
Tread Profile: Speed Factor 13, Top Speed 64.4 kph, gAccel 3.22 kph/s, gDecel 32.2 kph/s, gMR 0.75, gSR 7, Ground Pressure 388 lbs./sf, Off Road Speed 48.3 kph.
Design Notes:
TL9 super light frame expensive materials [Laser AMS Mount].
TL9 super light frame expensive materials [Laser AMS Mount].
TL9 multi-section medium frame very expensive materials [Turret].
TL9 multi-section medium frame very expensive materials [Vehicle].
TL9 DR 10 expensive metal; Layer 2: TL9 DR 10 expensive composite; Layer 3: TL9 DR 10 expensive durable ablative [Laser AMS Mount].
TL9 DR 10 expensive metal; Layer 2: TL9 DR 10 expensive composite; Layer 3: TL9 DR 10 expensive durable ablative [Laser AMS Mount].
TL9 DR 20 advanced metal; Layer 2: T TL9 DR 5 advanced composite, L TL9 DR 10 advanced composite, R TL9 DR 10 advanced composite, F TL9 DR 20 advanced composite, B TL9 DR 5 advanced composite; Layer 3: T TL9 DR 5 advanced durable ablative, L TL9 DR 5 advanced durable ablative, R TL9 DR 5 advanced durable ablative, F TL9 DR 10 advanced durable ablative, B TL9 DR 5 advanced durable ablative [Turret].
TL9 DR 20 skirt advanced metal; Layer 2: T TL9 DR 10 advanced composite, U TL9 DR 10 advanced composite, L TL9 DR 10 advanced composite, R TL9 DR 10 advanced composite, F TL9 DR 20 advanced composite, B TL9 DR 5 advanced composite; Layer 3: T TL9 DR 10 advanced durable ablative, L TL9 DR 10 advanced durable ablative, R TL9 DR 10 advanced durable ablative, F TL9 DR 20 advanced durable ablative, B TL9 DR 5 advanced durable ablative [Vehicle].
Payload Cost: $9,648,000
Vehicle Features: computerized controls, pressure proofed, very good streamlining.
Hull: 60° Front Slope, 30° Left Slope, 30° Right Slope.
Tracks: quantity 2, non-standard sizex1.5, improved suspension, smart tracks.
Turret: full rotation, heavy compartmentalization, 60° Front Slope, 30° Left Slope, 30° Right Slope.
Laser AMS Mount: retractable, full rotation.
Laser AMS Mount: retractable, full rotation.
Volume: 135 m^3 [Hull], 75 m^3 [Turret (T)], 7.22 m^3 [Laser AMS Mount (T)], 7.22 m^3 [Laser AMS Mount (T)], 183 m^3 [Tracks].
Area: 186 m^2 [Hull], 111 m^2 [Turret (T)], 23.2 m^2 [Laser AMS Mount (T)], 23.2 m^2 [Laser AMS Mount (T)], 186 m^2 [Tracks].
Tread Profile:;
First introduced in the aftermath of what would be known as the First Resource War, the DIVAD-01 'Sgt. York' was designed to utilize in-house armaments to the best effect. While many of these weapons were nothing spectacular, they were considered effective.Sure, if a tank comes around and aims for it, it's dead... but anything that is flying is dying.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Isn't actually Pierre Sprey that started this bullshit? Though I admit that their fandoms have very significant overlap.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Mike Sparks is a good idea fairy who thinks that every decision US Army made in the last 45 years is wrong. According to him entire army should be airmobile and the heaviest vehicle should be M-113, which should be renamed Gavin. Also they should disband USMC. His page
Pierre Sprey is mostly aircraft base good idea fairy, he believes any combat plane that isn't just wings, cockpit, gun and fuel tank strapped to an engine, is a complete waste of money. Has massive hateboner towards F-15. Convinced many that he is the conceptual father of F-16 and A-10. Judge his grip on sanity yourself (pdf file).
Pierre Sprey is mostly aircraft base good idea fairy, he believes any combat plane that isn't just wings, cockpit, gun and fuel tank strapped to an engine, is a complete waste of money. Has massive hateboner towards F-15. Convinced many that he is the conceptual father of F-16 and A-10. Judge his grip on sanity yourself (pdf file).
I hate these guys and I barley know anything about them. Like...fucking hell..
I think it's more enjoyable to mock them and sarcastically explore their ideas then take on the ideas with a hard critique. It'll save your sanity as well by taking it all in tongue in cheek.
I like to critique military vehicles though..
I will confess I did once buy into the "battleships are still useful and necessary platforms which are totally survivable in a modern combat environment because ARMOR!" lobby, but in my defense I was fourteen at the time.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Kids and young adults are excused, it's a part of growing up. Although in these times people get crucified for something they might have said at any point in their life...
But at least you weren't one of those [TERM REDACTED] who actually believed that hybrid battleships/aircraft carriers are the wave of the future. Because that kind of folly has no excuse.
But at least you weren't one of those [TERM REDACTED] who actually believed that hybrid battleships/aircraft carriers are the wave of the future. Because that kind of folly has no excuse.
Witteric of the West
ES ZEUS
It can always be worse... I mean... Submarine/Carrier Combo anyone?
At the end of this Century we will have Battleships again. Mostly because tech is being developed that can find Subs. Swat Drones and Fighter Planes out of the sky and Directed Energy weapons are beginning to diversify. There will be battleships. But the armaments will look like something straight out of Star Trek to us.