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LordSunhawk

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Saw the comment about all modern churches being ugly...

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This is my parish church, finished in 2016. We are currently in the middle of completing the interior.

This includes magnificent artwork on the vaulted ceiling of the nave and transept, as well as on the apse. Stained glass windows throughout. And in October the largest church organ in the state will be installed.

Best part in some ways? We've paid off the mortgage, which relaxes many of the insurance limits on things like votive candles.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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I think the aesthetics of a Church are important. Aesthetics have meaning. If you walk into a Catholic Church, you are surrounded by meaningful iconography. It's not there just because of "muh tradition". It's there to convey meaning to the believers who walk through those doors. The tall ceilings draw your eyes up and make you feel small. The statues and paintings of Saints are there to give you a relatable face for a rolemodel of some virtue you should want to be like. The hymns and the rituals are to ingrain important ideas in your mind. I'd say that aesthetics is one of the reasons why Catholicism has a higher retention rate of Christians than Protestantism.

A Church that looks like a Cathedral or an old Church house is immediately identifiable, whereas a Church that just looks like another non-descript, brutalist modern building just blends in. God doesn't call us to blend in; he calls us to stand out.

Protestant aesthetics tends to imitate the world (ie, Christian rock). There is a drive in Protestant Churches to strip iconography out. Empty crosses without Christ on it. We should have a connection with Christ's suffering, and seeing that is viscerally effective. Jesus said take up the cross and follow him. The Cross has always been a symbol. Aesthetics have meaning. The Protestant argument is that only the words matter.
 

ATP

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I think the aesthetics of a Church are important. Aesthetics have meaning. If you walk into a Catholic Church, you are surrounded by meaningful iconography. It's not there just because of "muh tradition". It's there to convey meaning to the believers who walk through those doors. The tall ceilings draw your eyes up and make you feel small. The statues and paintings of Saints are there to give you a relatable face for a rolemodel of some virtue you should want to be like. The hymns and the rituals are to ingrain important ideas in your mind. I'd say that aesthetics is one of the reasons why Catholicism has a higher retention rate of Christians than Protestantism.

A Church that looks like a Cathedral or an old Church house is immediately identifiable, whereas a Church that just looks like another non-descript, brutalist modern building just blends in. God doesn't call us to blend in; he calls us to stand out.

Protestant aesthetics tends to imitate the world (ie, Christian rock). There is a drive in Protestant Churches to strip iconography out. Empty crosses without Christ on it. We should have a connection with Christ's suffering, and seeing that is viscerally effective. Jesus said take up the cross and follow him. The Cross has always been a symbol. Aesthetics have meaning. The Protestant argument is that only the words matter.

I agree.God created world beautiful,so why made churches ugly?
 

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I think the aesthetics of a Church are important. Aesthetics have meaning. If you walk into a Catholic Church, you are surrounded by meaningful iconography. It's not there just because of "muh tradition". It's there to convey meaning to the believers who walk through those doors. The tall ceilings draw your eyes up and make you feel small. The statues and paintings of Saints are there to give you a relatable face for a rolemodel of some virtue you should want to be like. The hymns and the rituals are to ingrain important ideas in your mind. I'd say that aesthetics is one of the reasons why Catholicism has a higher retention rate of Christians than Protestantism.

A Church that looks like a Cathedral or an old Church house is immediately identifiable, whereas a Church that just looks like another non-descript, brutalist modern building just blends in. God doesn't call us to blend in; he calls us to stand out.

Protestant aesthetics tends to imitate the world (ie, Christian rock). There is a drive in Protestant Churches to strip iconography out. Empty crosses without Christ on it. We should have a connection with Christ's suffering, and seeing that is viscerally effective. Jesus said take up the cross and follow him. The Cross has always been a symbol. Aesthetics have meaning. The Protestant argument is that only the words matter.
Firstly, the use of just the cross without Christ on it to represent Christianity long, LONG predates the Catholic/Protestant Schism. That Protestants prefer to use the Cross over the Crucifix as a symbol seems to be a really petty point of argumentation.

Secondly, as I pointed out, the vast majority of Protestant chuches DO follow a clearly visible traditional patterns. They often look like this:

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Or this:
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Now, yes, many Protestant Churches lack as many fancy amenities, like stained glass windows and the like, but in large part that has to do with the fact they are smaller congregations that cannot afford things like that and so focus on what is necessary for worship and teaching.

As to Megachurches that end up with large buildings, firstly, I don't think there's a single Church in the US that uses Brutalist Architecture. I understand that Brutalism is a hated for of architecture, and it is terrible, but it IS a SPECIFIC thing.

This:
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Is not timeless, it is not that aesthetically appealing to me, nor does it entirely indicate a Church to me, but it is also NOT Brutalist.

This is perhaps even worse:
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But again, this is not Brutalist. It's terrible and looks like a generic conference hall, but again, it's not Brutalist.

This is a Brutalist Church:
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Or this:
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Or this:
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There are others around the world, but they look nothing like the generic meeting hall style of Churches I posted above.

All that said, I agree that aesthetics are important, however, what is most important is for a Church to provide a place for Christians to gather in Christ's name and offer teaching and worship that is orthodox and brings glory to God. None of those things REQUIRE a certain aesthetic, a person's home can serve as a Church (and historically often has, from the time of the early church when it was under persecution to today in where the Church sees persecution). Are those somehow less churches because they are, quite literally, generic homes?
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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Now, yes, many Protestant Churches lack as many fancy amenities, like stained glass windows and the like, but in large part that has to do with the fact they are smaller congregations that cannot afford things like that and so focus on what is necessary for worship and teaching.

All that said, I agree that aesthetics are important, however, what is most important is for a Church to provide a place for Christians to gather in Christ's name and offer teaching and worship that is orthodox and brings glory to God. None of those things REQUIRE a certain aesthetic, a person's home can serve as a Church (and historically often has, from the time of the early church when it was under persecution to today in where the Church sees persecution). Are those somehow less churches because they are, quite literally, generic homes?

Meeting in someone's house is fine. But if a Church group is going to invest the money to build a dedicated Church, then it should at least look like a classical Church. Even if a Church can't afford fancy stuff like stained glass, etc, the basic shape of the pic quoted above is immediately identifiable as a Church. Just even having that classic vaulted/arched ceiling that raises your eyes above and makes you feel humble goes a long way, IMO.

As to Megachurches that end up with large buildings, firstly, I don't think there's a single Church in the US that uses Brutalist Architecture. I understand that Brutalism is a hated for of architecture, and it is terrible, but it IS a SPECIFIC thing.

I suppose I was generalizing, but to me even the top pictures don't look like Churches. They look like they could be non-descript schools or colleges or community centers or museums, etc. I wouldn't even know at first glance that they were supposed to be churches, only finding out if I had been told that they were, or I squinted my eyes and saw the cross or text on the window.
 

Laskar

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One time, on a drive along the Columbia River, I saw a church so beautiful that I had to pull off the highway and take a closer look.

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Look at that. Just look at that.

It's a museum now, and I've only been outside of it, but one day I hope to step inside and see if it is as magnificent within as without. Just this image alone fills me with... awe, I guess. Reverence. It's a building designed and built by Human hands, and though it no longer serves the great purpose that it was designed for, it was clearly designed by a very skilled architect who revered He whose house he was designing.
 

Doomsought

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Now, yes, many Protestant Churches lack as many fancy amenities, like stained glass windows and the like, but in large part that has to do with the fact they are smaller congregations that cannot afford things like that and so focus on what is necessary for worship and teaching.
One of the central issues of the Protestant reformation was the lack of humility in the Catholics, this is why many protestant Churches are designed to be humble. They are made of wood, not gold.
 

ATP

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One of the central issues of the Protestant reformation was the lack of humility in the Catholics, this is why many protestant Churches are designed to be humble. They are made of wood, not gold.
And that is one of many protestant mistakes.People should be humble,but there is no humility allowed when you show God.
Another was making church part of protestant state - building must be cheap,becouse rulers need money for more important things,like army.
 

Abhishekm

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And that is one of many protestant mistakes.People should be humble,but there is no humility allowed when you show God.
Another was making church part of protestant state - building must be cheap,becouse rulers need money for more important things,like army.
To be fair is the building the thing you are supposed to rever? Or the gold or the glass or the art? Austerity in religion is not that bad a choice. As long as you don't spend money actually TRYING to make it uglier on purpose, thats just missing the point by a mile.

Looks great but did they HAVE to make that point bigger than the entire building underneath it? Like really, 6 feet would have been plenty.
 
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Abhishekm

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The interior seems to be pretty stunning.

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North Indian types usually are. They go for that wide sweeping dome look. South Indian ones on the other hand.


Sculptures all the way down and up and through and to the sides. Give you guys an idea of what those Greek statues would look like if you kept them painted like they were meant to be.

Interiors are a bit more meh though. Atleast comparatively. Southern ones are usually modeled for a lot more passing foot traffic. That and the ocassional elephant. (Not kidding)

That said back to churches. Shrine of the Grotto of the Redemption. Yay or Nay?


I mean I get the idea behind it and I can definetly appreciate the care and the dedication...but its made of pebbles.

Would definetly rate it higher if it was by an Ocean instead of the middle of the continent. Because come on thats begging to be a seaside cave church and instead its a display piece in the middle of Iowa.
 
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"Oooh look what fancy buildings those people worship in! What they believe must be so true!" /sarcasm

That being said, I see some Roman Catholics here showing a degree of ignorance about other denominations - including church buildings

Here's the inside of an Anglican cathedral - St George's, here in Cape Town:

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Here's a Dutch Reformed church:
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In Paarl. Oh, so brutalist!


And here's the inside of a Baptist church - somewhere in North America I think
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Bear Ribs

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Meanwhile there's the most metal of all Catholic Churches, the Sedlec Ossuary.

Sure, it looks drab and low-key on the outside...
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Then you go inside and see the decor...

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Between 40,000 and 70,000 human skeletons make up the interior with the bones assembled into various furnishings, decorations, and artwork.
 

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