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DocSolarisReich

Esoteric Spaceman
I care about them, but what can we do? If this or that group being persecuted was casus belli then we'd have to go to war with most of the nations on earth. In fact, we'd end up not only destroying our own nation, but causing more death and suffering than if we had left everybody alone.

What are we willing to sacrifice for them? I'm not willing to send sons to die for them. And what did they think was going to happen when they accepted the handouts from the NGO/CIA complex? The failure of the company's Tibetan operation to do anything other than get a bunch of Tibetans killed while carrying American made weapons and keep the Dalai Lama in relatively comfortable exile should have been a clue.
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
What are we willing to sacrifice for them? I'm not willing to send sons to die for them. And what did they think was going to happen when they accepted the handouts from the NGO/CIA complex? The failure of the company's Tibetan operation to do anything other than get a bunch of Tibetans killed while carrying American made weapons and keep the Dalai Lama in relatively comfortable exile should have been a clue.

Sacrifice for them? Not much honestly. In these kinds of situations, in fact so very many situations around the world where people need help, you can't help them without being at odds with somebody else and/or ultimately creating some negative side effect in the region.

If group A is persecuting group B, and you start helping B, then you're enemies with A and maybe even killing them or causing death and suffering.

What about an easier scenario involving foreign aid. What if some impoverished African nation is starving. We could give them food, that doesn't make any enemies does it? Maybe not, or maybe the lack of food in the region was one faction's way of waging war on the other and we are ruining it by giving them food. Or maybe the more powerful group just steals the food for themselves and uses to oppress the rest. Okay, let's rule out that. Well, giving people free food in that nation may well drive down the value of food there and put farmers out of business, thus creating a greater need for food in the future. Often times a nation that needs aid needs it because of their own irresponsible policies and by rewarding those policies, you make the nation even more dysfunctional or reliant on aid. If a country of 4 million can only produce enough food for 3 million, are you helping by giving them enough food so that their population increases to 5 million while they can still only produce enough food for 3?

Can we take in oppressed refugees? If we brought in all of the people who want to flee from a country full of hardship and oppression, then it wouldn't be long before they turn the USA (or what ever prosperous nation that accepted them) into the kind of terrible nation that they left in the first place. We see this in both Europe and the USA now with regard to immigration.

Helping people in other countries usually isn't a good idea. There are some exceptions. I think that if a natural disaster ravages a nation then we could send some aid, it was a fluke event and not the result of dysfunction within that nation, it also doesn't put us on one side of another nation's internal conflict.

I have a simple sure fire way that the USA can help other countries immediately: stop bombing them.
 

FriedCFour

PunishedCFour
Founder
Frankly I wasn't talking to people like you given that you have essentially bowed to the left in terms of principles and your only mad about losing to them on the ideological and religious fronts. You are the very kind of person that I am warning against.
What? How have I at all bowed to the left in terms of principles? That’s a ridiculous accusation. I literally brought up a western principle that traces back 400 years and is in the fucking UN charter.
 

DocSolarisReich

Esoteric Spaceman
What? How have I at all bowed to the left in terms of principles? That’s a ridiculous accusation. I literally brought up a western principle that traces back 400 years and is in the fucking UN charter.

An educated guess from previous interactions:

Because you do not profess lolbertarian preferences for autonomous will over nature uber alles, he deems you 'left wing', in the scheme where 'left' is authority and 'right' is autonomy. It's very 2008 Ron Paul ReLOVElution, 'Reason' and 'Liberty' Magazine stuff.
 

LindyAF

Well-known member
Why are we suddenly talking about human rights in China? They were doing terrible things to Christians, Falung Gong, Uighurs, and Tibetans long before this law.

Eh... it's not like people don't talk about those groups. Tibetans were the hobby horse of libs for a while, Uighurs for the right.

Don't really think there's too much point in hand-wringing over what foreigners do to other foreigners, but in general if it can be used as an excuse to impose tariffs or something & help get our manufacturing capacity back it's good, if it's used as an excuse to spill more American blood and treasure on foreign adventures it's bad, in my opinion.
 

LindyAF

Well-known member
I'll die before I bow to any man.

This isn't really related to the this thread because on this issue you seem more confused than anything else- you're anti-intervention but attacking others for... the reason they are also anti intervention?

But I don't really get the point of going 'I will never, ever use tactics that could possibly be interpreted as force in any way' and then larping about how you're on the verge of going full 1776 or something.
 
That’s nice dear. Enjoy playing Ancap and pretending to be the Superman Nietchze talked about.

Enjoy bowing to another cult of personality and then griping about how "that wasn't real collectivism when it ultimately blows up in your face.

But as others have said this is off topic.
 

Circle of Willis

Well-known member
It might be interesting how this plays out.

Media has been tailoring themselves for a chinese audience. Self censoring for a chinese audience.

They're also being very "woke."

This seems like the two things might conflict with one another.
I think the past record, of pretty much everything both in media itself and the big names who've embraced wokedom in general from Star Wars to the NBA, demonstrates that when the chips are down, they'll always go with selling out their supposed values to appease China every time. Many such cases, sad, etc.

That said I don't think there's realistically anything any country (woke or otherwise) is going to do about this other than issue a token condemnation and that that's probably for the best, for reasons so many other users have expressed much more eloquently than myself in this thread.
 

ATP

Well-known member


I hope Beijing Biden and the UN actually shows some backbone and condemns this travesty.

Fuck the CCP, we should have taken them out in the crib during the Korean War. Would have saved the world, including the Chinese people, a lot of grief.


You are right,but so what? we could not do that now.Question is not if China would rule world,but what part of world could USA hold.And if they are capable of even that.
 

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