China ChiCom News Thread

[Terthna]

Even if we didn't have shit governments the CCP still has to deal with the fact that their government by it nature violates the core values of chinese society on a regular level. As long as the money is there they can paper it over but they are running out of money running out of time and when it crashes and burns it will do so in horrific ways.

Yep; and now they're trying desperately to replace the money by making the Chinese people feel persecuted by the rest of the world.

You say that like us being pathetic and weak is a good thing...

Oh it's not; I'm just finding the whole situation a bit darkly humorous.

 

[Sailor.X]

What is this we shit. Just because you have a bunch of wokies running their mouths in Blue areas does not mean Veterans of the Cold War like myself are dead and gone. We cut our teeth standing against the Soviets. The CCP is a Dollar tree version of the Soviet Union. And we would happily go and kick their asses if given the chance.

 

[Zachowon]

What is this we shit. Just because you have a bunch of wokies running their mouths in Blue areas does not mean Veterans of the Cold War like myself are dead and gone. We cut our teeth standing against the Soviets. The CCP is a Dollar tree version of the Soviet Union. And we would happily go and kick their asses if given the chance.

Isnt CCP hate growing in the south and red areas?

 

[Cherico]

Isnt CCP hate growing in the south and red areas?

and blue, people really fucking hated the lock downs.

 

[Zachowon]

and blue, people really fucking hated the lock downs.

If given the option to get revenge in China for Wuflu.
Would you take it?

 

[Cherico]

If given the option to get revenge in China for Wuflu.
Would you take it?

Honestly I hate the people who run my state more then the CCP.

 

[Sailor.X]

Isnt CCP hate growing in the south and red areas?

Dude we been hate the CCP ever since NAFTA and job shipping to China.

 

[JagerIV]

If given the option to get revenge in China for Wuflu.
Would you take it?

Why are you so eager to die for biden?

 

[Zachowon]

Why are you so eager to die for biden?

I'm eager to kick China's ass and protect the country.

 

[boomghost]

I'd rather just block trade from china, and nullify all debts to them in response, let their economy collapse

 

[JagerIV]

I'm eager to kick China's ass and protect the country.

And dying for Biden won't achieve either of those.

 

[Zachowon]

And dying for Biden won't achieve either of those.

Kicking China's ass will

 

[JagerIV]

Kicking China's ass will

I mean, I think your probably more likely to be directing Chinese jets on where to bomb the Idaho rebels, than shooting down Chinese jets, but lets say you do get your wish and kill a million Americans and 4 million Chinese over a year.

Now that the US military is dead, what's step two in this plan of yours?

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, I think your probably more likely to be directing Chinese jets on where to bomb the Idaho rebels, than shooting down Chinese jets, but lets say you do get your wish and kill a million Americans and 4 million Chinese over a year.

Now that the US military is dead, what's step two in this plan of yours?

I would nit follow any orders to strike on the US.
I am legally allowed to. A large majority would do the same. We don't like to do things on US Soil. We never want too

 

[JagerIV]

I would nit follow any orders to strike on the US.
I am legally allowed to. A large majority would do the same. We don't like to do things on US Soil. We never want too

Eh, doesn't really change anything in the statement any way.

 

[Bassoe]

...the CCP still has to deal with the fact that their government by it nature violates the core values of chinese society on a regular level...

???

How? What are said 'core values', how does the CCP violate them and honestly, if it somehow collapses without WW3 and the annihilation of human civilization, what're the chances that future historians won't take a page out of Neal Stephenson's Diamond Age and call it 'The Mao Dynasty'?

If given the option to get revenge in China for Wuflu.
Would you take it?

I'm eager to kick China's ass and protect the country.

And dying for Biden won't achieve either of those.

Kicking China's ass will

Depends on which war we get. Options being...

The War The Status Quo Want:
Large numbers of young American men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family are drafted and sent off to get shot by large numbers of drafted young Chinese men who're in essentially the same situation thanks to the One Child gender imbalance. In this manner, the American and Chinese status quos both remove threats to themselves. They agreed on everything through backchannels before the war even started officially. Large sums of money, either taken directly from American taxpayers or printed, devaluing the preexisting savings of American citizens are given to military-industry complex megacorps to create even more redundant military equipment. Various laws to censor dissidence against the status quo and spy upon everyone are forced through, justified by 'wartime emergency'. Needless to say, once the war is over, they're never going away. Any potential postwar benefits for the survivors in the form of improved wages and working conditions, now that the supply of potential employees has been decimated by the war while the demand for labor remains the same will be nonexistent, the employers will simply import substitute labor from abroad, offshore the jobs to countries uninvolved in the war, automate the jobs out of existence, or some combination of the above. This also means returning soldiers won't be able to get their jobs back. The war is an enormous bloody stalemate, insofar as, if either side looks like they're winning the conventional war, their opponent can threaten MAD.

The War The Warhawks Want:
A war of attrition and bad technothriller plotlines. The US blows up Three Gorges Dam, China activates the killswitches in the computer chips they sold us and bricks all our civilian infrastructure, the US tries to stir up populist anger against China by revealing genuine or faked-to-a-degree-indistinguishable-from-genuine proof that covid came from a Chinese bioweapons lab leak, China tries to stir up populist anger against the US goverment by revealing genuine or faked-to-a-degree-indistinguishable-from-genuine blackmail footage from Epstein Island, etc. It all ends in mutually assured destruction, with both goverments discredited, the infrastructure of both nations destroyed and a nuclear apocalypse.

The War I Want:
Vital computer-chip manufacturing takes place in Taiwan, which will be a serious problem for America if/when the PRC conquers Taiwan. Therefore, we need to immediately classify rebuilding said manufacturing industries in the deindustrialized American heartland as a matter of national security, hang the expense and practicality and subject every single offshoring-loving corporatist against doing so and responsible for having offshored American industries in the first place to mccarthyism version 2.0, 'are you a PRC agent' edition. Our infrastructure is almost certainly backdoored thanks to Made In China™. Therefore, we need to treat rebuilding/modernizing our entire infrastructure, with Made In America™ components, including the creation of domestic industries to build said components as a matter of national security, hang the expense and practicality and subject every single offshoring-loving corporatist against doing so and responsible for having offshored American industries in the first place to mccarthyism version 2.0, 'are you a PRC agent' edition. Etc etcetera. At no point do we actually fight China, since we've both got nuclear weapons, so doing so would be suicide.

 

[Husky_Khan]

A Cyberattack on the messaging app LINE turned off many of its encryption functions and helped expose the private messages of over a 100 Taiwanese dignitaries and governmental officials.

Over 100 Taiwanese political figures' messages leaked outta LINE app

Attack turned off encryption function, which made snooping rather easier

www.theregister.com

LINE is the most popular messaging app in Taiwan, Japan and Thailand. Last March Japanese government officials however stopped using the app when it was revealed that Chinese contractors had access to the apps personal data.

 

[Jormungandr]

Oh yes, it was obviously "Russian" hackers.

...cough.

 

[JagerIV]

The alleged moral status of Taiwan. A comment on the internet, but a data point non the less.

TAIWAN WILL BE DEFENDED BY THE BULLET, OR NOT AT ALL

I am Taiwanese, by birth and by blood. My father’s side is 外省人 [TG: someone who retreated to Taiwan with the KMT], my mother’s side is 本省人 [someone whose ancestors have lived in Taiwan for generations, and whose mother tongue would likely be Taiwanese Hokkien]. This is not an academic distinction, my maternal grandfather went to college in Japan and served in the Japanese Imperial Army as an NCO. He was later involved in the Taiwanese independence movement. Many of his friends disappeared during the White Terror. His personal journal was written completely in Japanese. His last overseas trip was a college reunion. His last gift to me was a book by a Japanese right-wing author. My paternal grandfather was a mid-level officer in the Nationalist forces. After the retreat to Taiwan, he served in the KMT civilian administration. Every new year, we called his brothers in China. His ashes are interred in Taiwan, but his wishes are to be buried, alongside his parents, at the ancestral plot in Shandong. Let’s just say my parents didn’t have the easiest time getting married...

However, Taiwan is also deeply demoralized. Successive governments have all but given up on the idea of national defense, the conscription term has been cut to almost nothing. What was originally a national rite-of-passage – universal male conscription – is now basically a joke. The military is a pension farm, and thoroughly compromised by Chinese intelligence. Taiwanese industry is very dependent on Chinese markets and labor, and the business elite of Taiwan have all named their price. Similarly, Mandarin Taiwanese pop culture is integrated with China, and must toe the line. At the university level, administrations are dependent on Mainland Chinese students, who, by and large, are more disciplined, more focused, and more ambitious than the native Taiwanese student.

Unsurprisingly, intermarriage between Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese is also ticking up, both at the college-educated level, and at the mail-order bride level. Taiwanese tourism heavily relies on Chinese visitors. As with all of the former Asian Tigers, birth rates are far below replacement nationally, and they are catastrophically low in Taipei.

Even as Taiwanese culture grows (partially by DPP policy) more defiantly differentiated from China, the actual capability to resist Chinese coercion, either economically or militarily, continues to wane. The CCP doesn’t need to do anything, except keep their mouths shut and allow current trends to continue. The Taiwanese attitude towards China appears to be an exercise in denial and wishful thinking. And that takes a toll on the national psyche. The younger generations may have Netflix and sub-titled Japanese TV shows, eating at gourmet restaurants and taking trips to Sapporo, Singapore, and Sydney. They may laugh at the gawking Chinese that are too poor to visit Europe, and visit Sun Moon Lake instead, but these bumpkin Chinese have what they don’t have – a comprehensive vision of the future, and a deep belief that they are standing on the solid rock of history, and that they aren’t going anywhere. Whereas for Taiwan and the Taiwanese, everything is contingent.

So take another trip to the wine countries of France, forget about having kids, and try to enjoy the moment.

In an alternate universe, Taiwan would be like Israel or South Korea – ferociously devoted to defense, fiercely determined to resist coercion. Or, for a more realistic example, to be at least as devoted as our ethnic cousins in Singapore. But perhaps that is only possible with the iron-fisted rule of a LKW for four decades. It would take herculean effort to shake Taiwan out of it’s current complacent stupor. [1]

 

[Husky_Khan]

Another Olympics, another Chinese Taipei discussion.

This time Taiwanese Badminton Doubles Gold Medalist Wang Chi-lin had the audacity to make a Facebook post where he stated "I'm from Taiwan" and prompted a social media storm of people stating "Team Taiwan", "Taiwan is Taiwan" and "No More Chinese Taipei." His Facebook post got over a million likes.

Please tell me! Is this true?
We've made the world see Taiwan.
We've really done it!!!
Introducing myself out loud to the whole world again
I'm Taiwanese badminton player Wang Qi-ying
I am Wang Chi Lin
I am from Taiwan.

Also during these games a Japanese Public Broadcaster with NHK also referred to Taiwan as Taiwan during the Opening Ceremony, stirring up more cheers and crocodile tears.

https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-national-flag-anthem-plays-200555625.html

Taiwan's medals revive debate over use of 'Chinese Taipei'

After Taiwan beat China in the badminton men's doubles final at the Tokyo Olympic Games on Saturday, gold medalist Wang Chi-Lin made a Facebook comment that cast a spotlight on a contentious debate on the Chinese-claimed island: "I'm from Taiwan".

www.reuters.com