Breaking News Car Driven By Terrorist Plows Through Christmas Parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin. 6 Dead, 60+ Wounded

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There's nothing wrong with the court allowing this (obviously him doing this is monstrous, but he has the right to do it). White supremacists can do it too, it's literally in the constitution: you have the right to confront your accusers. It's also really fucking dumb and a great way to get the jury to hate you, meaning that he's secured his own conviction.

I'm just hoping for a quick exicution once its all over.
Sadly, Wisconsin isn't a death penalty state. But Darrell Brooks is making a great case for a death penalty among the jurors. Small positive is that he won't get all the free legal help from those that abhor the death penalty.



The nerve of this asshole....

This right here is one of the advantages of him representing himself: he doesn't know what to claim. So if he could have been saved by a technicality, he won't be saved by one.
 

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Essentially a situation of... "We're not a death penalty state. But we'll make an exception in your case."
I wish. I'm glad the Boston Bomber was prosecuted on federal charges, which got him the death penalty. It's possible that the Feds try to doubly convict him and get a death penalty, but likely not under Biden.
 

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There's nothing wrong with the court allowing this (obviously him doing this is monstrous, but he has the right to do it). White supremacists can do it too, it's literally in the constitution: you have the right to confront your accusers. It's also really fucking dumb and a great way to get the jury to hate you, meaning that he's secured his own conviction.


Sadly, Wisconsin isn't a death penalty state. But Darrell Brooks is making a great case for a death penalty among the jurors. Small positive is that he won't get all the free legal help from those that abhor the death penalty.


This right here is one of the advantages of him representing himself: he doesn't know what to claim. So if he could have been saved by a technicality, he won't be saved by one.
Fair points all around there; i clearly need to brush up on my legal-ess.
 

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It's possible that the Feds try to doubly convict him and get a death penalty, but likely not under Biden
It's important to note that the state-federal separation here is entirely separate laws on murder, so double jeopardy has never applied. Which is one of the big reasons why the legalities around abortion are such a nightmare, because the basis for criminalizing it, that it's murdering an unborn child, has always been open space for the state and federal legislature to set separate standards.
 

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the president can't pardon non federal crimes thank goodness for that

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.


There is nothing in there that says non federal crimes are exempt from this power to pardon.

The only exception directly written down is in cases of impeachment, the legal standing on that is extremely iffy because this is one of the few powers a president has thats more or less unlimited.

And this by the way is a good thing for us because the left is using weaponized legalism. So having the presidents power to pardon be unlimited might be the only way some framed political disidents have to get out of prison.
 

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And other jokes you can tell yourself. Get real! These cucks will defend him to the death because he's black, a murderer of white people, and ideologically aligned to their leftoidism.
When there's thousands of other black people imprisoned for shit that doesn't matter (drugs, for example) or have the death penalty against them. They've got priorities too, even if they would like him to go free (doubtful).

There is nothing in there that says non federal crimes are exempt from this power to pardon.
Yeah, there is. "Offenses against the United States". The crimes he's being accused are offenses against the state of Wisconsin, not the US. The Case is probably called Wisconsin v. Brooks. If it was Federal, it would be US v. Brooks. Similarly, pardons don't work for lawsuits, because those are between two individuals (unless the US government is suing a person? Unlikely).
 

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When there's thousands of other black people imprisoned for shit that doesn't matter (drugs, for example) or have the death penalty against them. They've got priorities too, even if they would like him to go free (doubtful).


Yeah, there is. "Offenses against the United States". The crimes he's being accused are offenses against the state of Wisconsin, not the US. The Case is probably called Wisconsin v. Brooks. If it was Federal, it would be US v. Brooks. Similarly, pardons don't work for lawsuits, because those are between two individuals (unless the US government is suing a person? Unlikely).

Wisconsin is a part of the united states so this could go up to the supreme court and they very much could decide that the power to pardon is pretty much unlimited.

No ones really pushed it but I suspect we will have a ruling with in our lifetimes.
 

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Yeah, there is. "Offenses against the United States". The crimes he's being accused are offenses against the state of Wisconsin, not the US. The Case is probably called Wisconsin v. Brooks. If it was Federal, it would be US v. Brooks. Similarly, pardons don't work for lawsuits, because those are between two individuals (unless the US government is suing a person? Unlikely).
Maybe, but would you put it past Biden or his handlers to try and pardon him anyways? Wouldn't be the first thing they've done that they're not legally allowed to do.
 

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Maybe, but would you put it past Biden or his handlers to try and pardon him anyways? Wouldn't be the first thing they've done that they're not legally allowed to do.
It'd get completely slapped down, and quickly.

Wisconsin is a part of the united states so this could go up to the supreme court and they very much could decide that the power to pardon is pretty much unlimited.

No ones really pushed it but I suspect we will have a ruling with in our lifetimes.
No, it's technical, but it is well established that a state/local crime is not an offense against the United States. That's simply not how it works at all.
For more, read this:
(search for 'state conviction')
Or this:

Just look how Biden's big pardon for marijuana possession only hit the federal convictions for an example.
 

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