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PsihoKekec

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Inspired by discussion on complaining about SB.

My idea is that Cholcis is strongly inspired by Islam which is reflected when Lorgar writes Lectitio Devinitatus, so we could still have the beloved gothic art style, but society would be shaped in a way that is familiar to Memri fans.

So God Emperor would be Allah Caliph? Doesn't roll of the tongue so well.

Now since veneration of emps is central to the existence of Caliphate, perhaps there is no ban of portrayal of emps himself?
 

PsihoKekec

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Big thing in Islam is memorizing Koran, do you think that in space Caliphate the same would be with their version of Lectitio Devinitatus?
 

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Now since veneration of emps is central to the existence of Caliphate, perhaps there is no ban of portrayal of emps himself?

From what I know of islamic tradition, that makes an exemption for depictions of the emperor even less likely, not more.
 

Agent23

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Big thing in Islam is memorizing Koran, do you think that in space Caliphate the same would be with their version of Lectitio Devinitatus?
Obviously they will be memorizing suras, and engraving them in their weapons and ammo.

Don't forget that in warhammer faith makes Chaos go away, so any religious artifacts and ceremonies and chants one believes in will be an important weapon.
 

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For the sake of summarizing what we got so far:
Somebody really needs to make an alt version of Warhammer 40k but with Muslim/Arabic iconography.
Think Divine Sultan instead of God-Emprah, Space Janissaries, and put the SoB equivalents into harem girl-inspired armor, complete with mouth veils.
The Chaos should obviously be chaos, bud made up of obvious nods towards the SJW blue haired Karens.Oh, and make the Mid-east inspired Imperium ten times more brutal.

That would be a great way to troll them and make a few heads explode. :D
Inshallah we shall destroy the corruption of chaos!
I suppose you could even make it conform to Muslim sensibilities by having most of the "Eternal Prophet" be sitting in darkness, ie. not revealing his actual facial features? Have something like Sufis for psykers etc. It's actually a concept that looks fun to explore for someone into WH40K I guess.
Maybe we can use Mazdaism and other Pagan beliefs as demons for the Space Caliphate to fight against. :D
Other than the chaos equivalent, what would the enemies of the Space Caliphate be?

Maybe aliens styled after traditional middle eastern monsters, the hyper-violent Ghoul race, or the stange, enigmatic, and backstabbing Djinn.



Good thing I'm not beholden to Muslim religious traditions. Eternal Prophet hidden in shadow sounds cool.
I think that Djinn= Chaos Demons.
They can basically be the equivalents to teh various pre-demonic Warp Beasties.

Lets see now, we can always use Boddhism and Hinduism as source for inspiration, since Islam since they were the main opponents of islam in Asia, too.

Buddha can be Nurgle.

Anriman can be Tzeentch.

Ishtar can be Slaanesh.


I mean, dis hoe be a real handfull. ;)

Now we just need some war god from the Hindu Pantheon, or we can always use a norse one.
No, seriously, we need a worldbuilding thread for this. We've already got Wuxiahammer over on alternatehistory forum, RvBOMally's Yankhammer on deviantart and I was involved in a /tg/ project involving an alt-40k based on kabbalahic mysticism* which unfortunately never went anywhere.

To go with the rule that the Prophet cannot be portrayed, how about rather than sticking around for the Great Crusade, He just presents humanity with some augmented generals and armies of lesser soldiers spawned from their transhuman biology, mysticism-based technology for reliable FTL and a guiding religious dogma commanding their conquest of the galaxy, then leaves to return when they're victorious. The Horus Heresy analog is an Imperium/Mechanicus civil war over how to best fulfill His commands, egged on by the forces of Chaos and their secret infiltrators on both sides, only breaking into obvious Chaos worship as the war escalates.

* Astartes are inhuman yet superhumanly capable guardians of the community made by imbuing mortals with a scrap of divine power, which sometimes develop free will and go rogue, the FTL communication and travel necessary to run an interstellar-scale empire depends on using divinely linked Astropaths as conduits for information and occasional sources of orders from the God-Emperor Himself and Navigators which steer starships guided by a great manifestation of faith, probably something paralleling the division of Christianity out of Judaism involving the Adeptus Mechanicus believing in the Emperor, but as a semi-separate figure than that worshiped by the orthodox Imperial Cult, the Omnissiah, etc.
Anything I missed?
 

Agent23

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Yes, we are missing more visuals, I propose we use Persian cataphracts as the base of our visual design.

As to history, well out version of Warhammer can basically be split into 3 main ages.

The appearance of the Prophet Caliph.

The foundation of the first Grand Galactic Caliphate, which happens after the disappearance of the Prophet, and then we can have the reunification, with the Horus heresy and some of the other shit that happened after it being rolled into one.
Of course, these things will mirror Islam's early conquests and the expansion into Persian and Eastern Roman Empire territory.

This age will in turn be followed by an interregnum with the Old Empire/Caliphate splintering and with the final blow coming in the form of marauding space hive mind-linked beasts that ravage much of the Core worlds, with this having parallels with the Major Ork Waaghs that almost shattered the imperium in-game and the Mongol conquests IRL.

We will have a Second Galactic Caliphate, which Arises after one of the many factions of descendants of the Prophet Caliph that comes from a very inhospitable world manages to restore the greater Imperium/Caliphate/What have you.


Now, I think we can have a hardy bunch of space nomads finding one of the Prophet's contingency plans, his Stellar Seeds, which contained lots of tech, Immortal/Fedayeen cloning and training facilities and DNA as well as other goodies on a frozen planet, those nomands will awaken the crew, throw off their heresies and build a new great space Caliphate, think Turks.

So, space marines - Immortals or Fedayeen.
Imperial Guard - Janissaries.
Imperial Guard - Spahi/Mamelics something similar.

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The Turks/Ottomans in particular had lots of gaudy military uniforms and decorations we can borrow from.
 
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Ixian

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If we are going for an Ottoman vibe, would a collection of bickering Balkan style states led by a Vlad the Impaler analogue make sense? Maybe make them xenos?

Vampiric Xeno Bulgarians.
 

Agent23

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If we are going for an Ottoman vibe, would a collection of bickering Balkan style states led by a Vlad the Impaler analogue make sense? Maybe make them xenos?

Vampiric Xeno Bulgarians.
Yeah, some form of Vampirism would be interesting.

Maybe some cursed people from the time before the Fall somehow survive by taking baths in the blood of murdered virgins or something like that.

However, the Ottomans are just one option, and I am using the global history of Islam here, basically.

The initial conquests, the split between Sufi and Shi'a and the first decline followed by the Mongolian shattering of the decadent remnants and the Ottomans becoming a major force sounds like a decent enough analogue for the 40k events.

Also, Vlad the Impaler was a Walachian, not a Bulgarian.

That said, we can deffinitely use some of those visuals, too, and since the Romanians larp as Roman descendants we can use bits and pieces of that, also.
 

Bassoe

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The Caliphate of Man:
The Prophet (Emperor) appears to unify humanity, gifting a sociopolitical system/religion to follow calling for the conquest of the galaxy and technology, including transhuman augmentation to do so. Most importantly among this, FTL. It requires faith. Anyone but a genuinely faithful Navigator using the same equipment ends up daemon-chow, or worse, has to make a deal with them. Having unified humanity, He departs, offering to return when the unification is complete. The civil war (less Horus Heresy more Sunni/Shia split in that both sides claim loyalty to the Prophet's goals) begins in a matter of decades.

Fundamentally, it's a succession crisis over who'll lead the Caliphate, with a side of transhumanist kookery from the Mechanicus.

The Administratum claims hereditary rule. They're the descendants of the functionaries the Prophet himself put in place, therefore their lines rightfully belong there.

The Mechanicus on the other hand, want to specially design leaders. Perfected transhumans whose brains are wired to make them incapable of sin or doubt. Less servitors, more peter watts abominations, with a long-term goal being that the proper conquest of the galaxy necessitates discarding humanity in favor of computronium matrioshka brains to convert all matter into faithful minds and the support infrastructure of same. They can't actually do any of this, but they hope to learn how eventually, so for the moment it's just ideology and they want their magos, who're completely coincidentally, the ones pushing all this ideology, to be in charge. They may also be influenced some kind of necrontyr cargo cultism, some of their higher-ups found tomb worlds just before the civil war begun.

The split was resolved-ish by Caliph Guilliman who's both placed in his role by the Prophet himself and an transhuman designed for his role by the Prophet and more importantly, has survived every single assassination attempt.

Chaos:
Chaos tends toward daemonic deals. Offer x percentage of a ship's crew in sacrifice or worship them and they'll let it make one FTL jump undevoured, or give you useful mutations and the like. They heretically claim the Prophet is just the same as them, except this is mostly disproved by the Prophet's religion seemingly valuing the lives of the faithful for their own sake, while they don't. Less outright armies, more cunning corruption of whole civilizations.

Xenos:
Orks are rampaging berserkers essentially like canon, except they don't have FTL and that their backstory is more along the lines of their original appearance in canon than the modern bioweapons-made-by-the-Old-Ones-for-the-War-In-Heaven stuff. Caliphate xenoarcheologists have found proto-orkoid ruins, showcasing a very different species, their current form was apparently deliberately genetically engineered to let them colonize the galaxy more effectively as space hulks of frozen spores which grow into creatures instinctively programmed with a viable techbase.

The Necrontyr were likewise without faith and its benefits. Millennia ago, they colonized the galaxy, but only at STL and as machines. Minds uploaded into robotic shells and egocast between worlds for travel. This turned out to be what spelled their doom, as they found virtual worlds superior to reality. Their tombs are server farms, hosting the uploaded personalities of entire populations in utopian simulations of their own making, with mechanical bodies ready for teleoperation if they ever lose interest. Until the self-repairing equipment wears out and they die. The only active necrons are those whose obsessions outweigh their hedonism and make them remain in reality. An anthropologist who wants to study the galaxy's new civilizations (Trazyn's gotta have pulled a Sir Richard Francis Burton at some point and infiltrated earth itself on Hajj, disguised as a human techpriest. And by 'disguised', I mean, in a very rudimentary fashion like a red robe over a clearly xenos mechanical body. Hey, it worked for him in canon accidentally.). A soldier still defending the ancient boundaries of the Necrontyr civilization against trespassers. A mad scientist going full mengele on captive marines and navigators to try and figure out a scientific explanation for how their bodies let them break physics so he can replicate it. A hero trying to save his race by snapping them out of their dreamworlds, tomb by tomb, despite their total lack of gratitude.

The Eldar are a factory farm by way of the commonwealth/technocore relationship in Dan Simmons' Hyperion. The chaos gods have given them an interstellar portal network. Not that they'd believe in gods. Surely the occasional portal failures, very rare but they add up across an interstellar civilization, during which victims just disappear are coincidences, not sacrificial offerings. And if anyone who finds out tries to use a farcaster webway portal, they'll join them. A few Eldar know the truth and have either graduated to outright cultism, offering extra sacrifices and worship for power in their society, or fleeing to live outside the empire, without the secretly entrapped technology.

Tyranids are identical to canon, save for lacking FTL, hiveships can just dehydrate themselves like tardigrades and hibernate away the time between the stars. Best to get them when they're only a few light-minutes out, before they all wake up. Genestealers are a new and extremely unwelcome development, the hivemind learned about faith-fueled FTL and while it can't do it itself, it can make human hybrids which can hitchhike, then give birth to true tyranid organisms far ahead of the hivefleets without warning.

The Tau empire triumphantly plot galactic conquest with their fleets of bussard ramships and have already seized dozens of nearby worlds, including subjugating the bronze-age Kroot. Now one of their colony fleets decelerates towards a human world with absolutely no idea of faith and magic and how hilariously outmatched they are.

Thoughts?
 

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Humm, very good but a tad serious for a 40k alt I'd say.
Also, needs more fan service.
 

Bassoe

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I had two goals.

The Prophet is infallible. The canonical Emperor isn't, He makes loads of mistakes. That won't fly here, the Prophet did everything perfectly and departed leaving a list of instructions before the Great Crusade Jihad left the solar system. All the human-on-human fighting since has been humanity's fault for disagreeing on how best to fulfill said instructions.

Enemies are based on the enemies of the Islamic world, as the Islamic world itself would see them. Eldar are vaguely inspired by modern Western civilization, being secular human, well, elder-ists who'd scoff at notions of divinity while secretly being ran by Shaitan with a few cultists in high-ranking positions and dissidents who fled. Orks have their Rogue Trader-era Mongolian aesthetics back. Chaos are sneaky corrupters rather than a giant horde of monstrosities.

Also I'd been having fun with the idea of the Mechanicus drawing more from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri than A Canticle for Leibowitz. Canonically, they believe flesh is weak and flawed and must be replaced, whereas here they're into cybernetics because they see them as an opportunity to fix minds and make faith a fundamental aspects of human, and if they ever properly crack uploading, universal, nature. So instead of body horror steampunk cyborgs and mindless meat robot drones, humans with ports connecting to their brains and unshakable blissed-out certainty of purpose.
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Agent23

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I had two goals.

The Prophet is infallible. The canonical Emperor isn't, He makes loads of mistakes. That won't fly here, the Prophet did everything perfectly and departed leaving a list of instructions before the Great Crusade Jihad left the solar system. All the human-on-human fighting since has been humanity's fault for disagreeing on how best to fulfill said instructions.

Enemies are based on the enemies of the Islamic world, as the Islamic world itself would see them. Eldar are vaguely inspired by modern Western civilization, being secular human, well, elder-ists who'd scoff at notions of divinity while secretly being ran by Shaitan with a few cultists in high-ranking positions and dissidents who fled. Orks have their Rogue Trader-era Mongolian aesthetics back. Chaos are sneaky corrupters rather than a giant horde of monstrosities.

Also I'd been having fun with the idea of the Mechanicus drawing more from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri than A Canticle for Leibowitz. Canonically, they believe flesh is weak and flawed and must be replaced, whereas here they're into cybernetics because they see them as an opportunity to fix minds and make faith a fundamental aspects of human, and if they ever properly crack uploading, universal, nature. So instead of body horror steampunk cyborgs and mindless meat robot drones, humans with ports connecting to their brains and unshakable blissed-out certainty of purpose.
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Noice, and you have put lots of effort into it, too.

Not enough Grimdark for me though.

40k-like need more backstabbing, corruption and degeneracy and fallen civilizations.
This, while good and logical, feels too clean and nice and ordered.
 

Bassoe

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Humm, very good but a tad serious for a 40k alt I'd say.
Noice, and you have put lots of effort into it, too.

Not enough Grimdark for me though.

40k-like need more backstabbing, corruption and degeneracy and fallen civilizations.
This, while good and logical, feels too clean and nice and ordered.
Basically, I'm trying to steal from different scifi.
Games Workshop had their "inspiration" in eighties scifi action movies and British satire, I'm ripping off turn-of-the-century hard-scifi in the Arthur C. Clarke mold, combined with the David Zindell-style ideological kooky scifi of the same era. So a galaxy which is almost logically consistent, with magic patching over the faults, only the magic is openly acknowledged as something supernatural and treated religiously.

If nothing else, the aesthetics ought to be awesome. Combining traditional Arabic architecture, turn-of-the-century concept art and pulp illustration. Simon Roy meets Steven Ross. Less heavy metal album, more psychedelic.
That said, I agree it needs to be darker, and I'd gladly welcome any ideas you've got on the matter. Possibly make it so faith-based 'magic' isn't just not properly understood but doesn't always work, and when it fails, it inevitably gets blamed on everyone around with self-sabotaging consequences? Astropathic communications, Navigating a starship, making posthuman supersoldiers and so forth and so on require the engineers to be faithful and pure of heart and they don't understand that the power struggles and purity spirals are why they're failing, thinking instead that they're not doing them intensely enough.
Also, needs more fan service.
Maybe give the Sisters of Battle equivalent a very specific orientalist design? Can't think of a good lore justification though, at least canon Sisters have some armor however poorly designed.
 

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