United States Buffalo, NY Supermarket Mass-shooting

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Speaking of FBI, anyone else remember that time they tried to have some Muslims shoot up a "Draw Muhammad" art show in Texas?

Was that Gellers thing back in 2015? Didn't that end with the attackers getting Swiss cheesed because it was fucking Texas?

Yeah I remember thinking only a Fed would be that stupid. I also remember the ATF whining about how that and the church shooting led to "an unhealthy narrative about good guys with guns".
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

Well-known member
Hetman
To me this feels like just another crazy guy. Not everything is part of a conspiracy.

I don't think people who arguing for glow op think it's a conspiracy more like Feds are Egirl level attention whores with comparable levels of impulse Control that results in crap like this happening because they act desperate whenever it looks like their influence is waning.
 

prinCZess

Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
To me this feels like just another crazy guy. Not everything is part of a conspiracy.
This is probably the case. I really wish I could say that with more certainty, but the FBI's behavior over the last...decades...and more recently with the Whitmer mess and pressuring retarded kids into conspiracies is just...overly-souring on any real extension of goodwill.

That said, even if it's not a conspiracy or there was nothing authorities could've done, the reaction will follow the playbook of a conspiracy in inflating a narrative and pushing half-true or even bullshit info and statistics because they're useful to whatever politician is addressing the topic. So we'll probably see gun-debate 3,000: bigger and harder.

Because it's an election year where the side with the loudest anti-gun position is looking vulnerable. So we're probably going to get SCOTUS Roe v. Wade decision scale reaction and pearl-clutching because hey, that's a better platform for that side than is anything having to do with inflation or fuel prices or foreign policy fiascos.

On separate note, I haven't followed closely just because...don't wanna...but from what news I have heard of this places seem to be being a little less sensationalizing and hyping-up of the shooter's name. Which...I always suspect is somewhat involved in some of these since it gives nutbars, be they suicidal or ideological, a way of publicizing themselves and 'making a difference' or a 'legacy'--screwed-up as it is.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
Was that Gellers thing back in 2015? Didn't that end with the attackers getting Swiss cheesed because it was fucking Texas?

Yeah I remember thinking only a Fed would be that stupid. I also remember the ATF whining about how that and the church shooting led to "an unhealthy narrative about good guys with guns".
I think so. The police or security guards were able to stop them before they even got in the building, and while one of them got shot, they survived while the shooters got killed. The police then found the FBI observer and arrested him, but ended up having to let him go from what I remember.

Found an article:


This right here is what makes me suspicious:



ETA:


Oh, and the more conservative types are not being any better. :rolleyes:
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
The Murikans in this thread should probably listen to us Eastern Europeans, since we have genuine experience of Totalitarianism, and Murikans don't, not quite yet, anyways.
I will call out bullshit on both sides, I will call out what I think is glowie shit, I will call out racists, I will call out anything I think is wrong with shit, and since the Left went insane and likely cannot be fixed, I will call out problems on the Right that holds it back from actually effectively dealing with the Left.

I fucking wish we had more options than the two party system so I could actually find people who represent me and people like me, instead of having to continually remind myself the Right is the lesser evil.

So no, I will not shut up and stop critizing the Right, particularly when they do stupid shit like automatically jumping to 'glowie false flag' for shit like this.

Nice virtue signal, too bad this isn't SB.
I guess you will also call out, read, ree, about edgy humor. :sneaky:

Frankly, too much of the Old Right's main problem was the inability to stop apologizing and trying to suck up to the MSM and the Twitter mob, letting the media and the leftards constantly guilttrip them.
No turue combat spirit and too much obsession with orthodoxy.

 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
Does anyone have a link to the shooter's manifesto? Having trouble finding a copy now.

The KiwiFarms thread has links to it in Jpg and PDF IIRC.


I clicked on one random page (162) and he's ironically I guess, talking about the evils of Porn. :sneaky: 🐩
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
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ShieldWife

Marchioness
My intuition says that this guy is a glowie or at least partially one, perhaps a mentally il teen who was indoctrinated by FBI.

Though even if the killer is 100% right wing and independent of federal influence, it honestly doesn’t matter. No one on the right should feel any guilt by association just because some other right winger snaps and commits murder for their ideals. There are a handful of crazy people in the world who sometimes snap and commit murder, usually for entirely apolitical justifications and sometimes for some political cause. Just because the killer is broadly on your side of the political aisle, or even if the killer is expressing your ideology exactly, is no reason to repudiate anyone other than the killer himself or to reject any political claims that the killer might have made.

The two previous mass killers were black leftists who hated white people. How much did we hear about them and their ideology in the media? Very little if anything. Did any leftists repudiate BLM because of them? No. Did any leftists apologize for them? No. Did any of the extreme anti-white leftists get into trouble for those killings? No.

So why does the right have to jump through any hoops, apologize, repudiate, or distance themselves from any ideas because one lone nutter goes on a killing spree? Even in the event that he isn’t glowing at all, which is unlikely in my opinion.

Its the left that actively encourages violence on their side, not the right. They are the ones which actively encourage racial hatred, not the right. We had over a year of riots, arson, assaults, and murders across numerous US cities because of BLM and leftists nearly uniformly supported, encouraged, and/or downplayed that violence and yet where are the apologies from them? Nowhere, because they aren’t sorry for the people their ideology hurts.

Also, assuming that this guy isn’t glowing and if we really want to blame people who radicalized him, more blame should go to the left. They are the ones who have been inciting racial hatred for years. In fact “The Great Replacement Theory” as it’s now being called is largely true and the leftists will gleefully admit it in the right contexts and will happily say that whites are becoming minorities in most traditionally white majority countries.

For years the left has had a tight control over the flow of information and yet it looks like even as they tighten their grip against free speech there are cracks starting to appear in propaganda dike. Tucker Carlson has the most popular political show on TV, Elon Musk is buying Twitter and is going to allow much more free speech, and other independent platforms and commentators are succeeding on the internet. The leftist establishment is so concerned about this that they had to create the Ministry of Truth to try to suppress dissent and this event is their perfect justification to try to crack down on dissenters like Tucker Carlson or platforms that allow free speech. If we start groveling, apologizing, or repudiating it plays right into their hands.
 
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