Megadeath
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Uh huh, but again... Can you point to any specifically illegal action, citing relevant laws? They have neither taken direct action, nor compelled any other group or individual to action.
United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I literally just explained it to you.
Go read the post again.
Also, from the Constitution again, Tenth Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Combine this with what I posted from the First Amendment earlier.
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Megadeath
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Uh huh... Except sharing information/opinion with companies isn't a "power". They haven't compelled or required the businesses to act in a particular way. Is there some law specifically delegating the right to press conferences to the federal executive? Is there one authorising the president to pee standing up?
Further, there is no law, regulation or executive order enacted in this case. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't even specific directive or instructions in the party.
Dude this was litterally explained to you in small words.
And it was explained to you repeatedly, this was biden trying to do an end run around the US constiution more specifically the first bit of it. This is actually a pretty major fucking deal and if our system wasnt' as fucked as it is he would be impeached over it.
I mean fuck Nixion had to publically resign over much much less.
Megadeath
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Did Biden hold a gun on Facebook's children and force them to institute their policies against misinformation? Did the Democrats enact a law, requiring Twitter to act on the information congressional staffers flagged? Or, did large companies decide on their own how to moderate their content, and Democrats took advantage of that to point out the things they thought constituted misinformation? Were Republicans somehow barred from reporting misinformation?
See, if you go back, my first post claimed quite clearly that Biden didn't "violate" the 1st amendment. The fact that you're claiming he was "trying to do an end run around the US constiution" would actually seem to suggest you agree with that claim. There is a pretty big difference between violating the law, and working around it.
As for the ethics of it, I made my feelings on that clear too. I don't approve of any political party or institution using their power (hard or soft) to try and quiet or silence points of view I care about. Or, really any, within reason. However, I don't believe that anyone has presented any evidence, or even tried to, that would suggest the democrats forced or even pressured companies to act a particular way. To use a smaller example, if a congressional staffer were a member here, and used the reporting tools to report someone's post that did run afoul of the boards rules, that would not be a 1st amendment violation, or illegal at all, nor would I consider it unethical. If congress passed a law saying that no one on the sietch could criticize the government, that would obviously be illegal and unethical. The situation here is basically the former.
Wargamer08
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Are you actually that naive? The executive branch of the federal government calling up a private company to request or draw attention to something doesn't need a threat or an or else statement at the end. It's implicit.
That you don't consider governments using third parties to subvert laws about suppressing rights or individuals illegal or unethical is however very typically leftist.
Megadeath
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You realise those same companies have actually fought against direct warnings and threats from the government in the past? Why exactly are they suddenly terrified of some nebulous implied threat? That just feels like you projecting your own distrust and fear of government onto a massive international corporation. What exactly do you think the completely unspoken but implicit threat is?
See... If you read what I just said, I said that I would consider that both illegal and unethical. I also made clear that I don't think it's what's happening here, and rather than present evidence or arguments to the contrary, literally every response except one from bear ribs that lacked follow up has just been people insisting that it is the case and I'm bad for disagreeing.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
No, we explained exactly how it's illegal. A government acting outside of it's legally-described authority is illegal. That's part of what 'illegal' means.
You're just refusing to understand that.
Megadeath
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And you're refusing to engage with what I said. By the standards you're suggesting, congressional staffers posting to facebook would be illegal, so would press conferences, or Nixon going down to talk with protesters at the Lincoln memorial.
It would be illegal for them to take action or compel action. There is nothing illegal in politicians and their staffers providing publicly available information and opinions to businesses.
Bear Ribs
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How did you manage to glance through and miss the entire section on history and usage? Actually, why do you feel qualitified to make an argument if you do no more than glance in the first place? You're basically admitting your opinion is uninformed and you're arguing from a position of ignorance, and further than you aren't making an effort to change that.
With the exception of William Henry Harrison, all presidents since George Washington in 1789 have issued orders that in general terms can be described as executive orders. Initially, they took no set form and so they varied as to form and substance.[9]
The first executive order was issued by Washington on June 8, 1789; addressed to the heads of the federal departments, it instructed them "to impress me with a full, precise, and distinct general idea of the affairs of the United States" in their fields.[10]
According to political scientist Brian R. Dirck, the most famous executive order was by President Abraham Lincoln, when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation on September 22, 1862:
Until the early 1900s, executive orders were mostly unannounced and undocumented, and seen only by the agencies to which they were directed.
Megadeath
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Okay... Well, you linked to a different subsection of the article, so I was assuming that was the part you were considering relevant. That said, I did see that but didn't really see the relevance. If anything it seems to disagree with your claim. I mean, look at the last paragraph of the bit you've quoted? It can equally well be phrased as "since the early 1900s, executive orders are announced and documented." Or earlier where it says "Initially, they took no set form and so they varied as to form and substance." (Emphasis added.)
I'd also point out that the entire article makes clear, right from the beginning, an executive order is an instruction to government. They concern the functioning of the federal executive. There was no such instruction here, nor was there action by the federal government. The action was taken by the democratic party, and it's entirely unsupported conjecture to suggest it was on Biden's instruction. Personally, I would guess that more likely than not it wasn't his idea or even something he was particularly involved in planning or enacting.
49ersfootball
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@Zachowon RIP long-time GA House of Representatives Speaker David Ralston (R-Blue Ridge).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ralston
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ralston
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He passed away? Or lose?
49ersfootball
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From what I've heard: Ralston died according to the Our Campaigns website.
Robovski
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Exchange Nancy for the turtle. Pretty much just as worthless. McConnell reelected Senate GOP leader: 'Not going anywhere'
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Only old age is going to get rid of them.
mrttao
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And their kids are lining up to take the freed up spots
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
You best hope they fuck up their inheritance then. It always happens in this generation or the next.
