Russia(gate/bot) Belarus 2020: Elections and Protests

[Husky_Khan]

Anyone have any insight, knowledge, opinions, hot takes or whatnot in regards to developments within Belarus these past few days since their heavily disputed election.

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Looks like longtime President Lukashenko is doing his best to soothe other tensions by fearmongering that the Baltics and Poland will be invading at any moment, fortunately Putin has promised military support for Lukashenko in case of any trouble arising.

 

[ATP]

Sad thing is - Lukaszenko really do not need fake election,becouse he gave people stability and social state - so, they look and Ukraine, Russia, even Poland and say - OK,we like our boss.
And he is no Putin puppet,too - he refused making Belarus part of Russia, or even any closer relations.He is making a lot of bussines with China, so i do not think, that he has reasons to worry.
Unless Russia,USA and UE decide to owerthrown him together.Fat chance for that.

P.S i read a lot of memories - and apparently Belorussian do not considered themselves as nation before WW2,only small part of elites.Others were just locals.
After soviet take all of them in 1945 most consideret themselves as soviets, but it is Lukaszenko who changed average people there into Belorussians.For his own ends,of course - he need Belorussian nation for his dynasty to rule.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Another tragic death of an opposition individual. Thankfully authorities believe no foul play is involved.

Belarusian museum director who refused to sign false election protocol found dead

A volunteer search group in Belarus has found the body of 29-year-old Kanstantsin Shyshmakou, the director of a military history museum in Vawkavysk who refused to sign a falsified electoral protocol claiming that Aleksandr Lukashenka had won the presidential elections

khpg.org

 

[liberty90]

Sad thing is - Lukaszenko really do not need fake election,becouse he gave people stability and social state - so, they look and Ukraine, Russia, even Poland and say - OK,we like our boss.

"Social" certainly not in comparision with Poland, unless you define "social" as "state ownership of industrial and agricultural enterprises" instead of "social benefits". In Belarus there is basically Soviet opinion about "parasitism" - unemployment is not outright illegal like during the Soviet times, but to qualify for anything "social" you need to basically clean the public streets for the state.

"Official unemployment rate is lower than 1%. Methods of International Labour Organization (international standard) also include job-seekers who are not registered officially. Many unemployed people in Belarus are trying to avoid registration, because of obligatory public works."

As to the economic condition as a whole, eh, after approx 2008 state-owned enterprises (so 70% of the economy) almost stagnated...

 

[ATP]

Of course.But,they still have work,and - compared to Russia,Ukraine or maybe even Poland - not corrupted police.And they still could produce almost all they need in state-owned manufactures.
And they could compare it to Ukraine, when change bring nothing good, and Russia, when mafia is basically part of ruling KGB.
If Łukaszenko died now, Belarus would become new Ukraine, except parts taken by Putin.

 

[Yinko]

The biggest liklihood is that Belarus becomes another Russian state, since they are Russian ethnically and have the same religion and language. Lukascenko's son is another reason why that might happen.

The only (implausible) alternative is that Belarus joins with places like Poland and The Ukraine in order to act as an alliance that bridges the two seas. This is the great wish of Greater Poland, it is currently implausible, but as the EU weakens and Putin ages it may become more likely.

 

[ATP]

The biggest liklihood is that Belarus becomes another Russian state, since they are Russian ethnically and have the same religion and language. Lukascenko's son is another reason why that might happen.

The only (implausible) alternative is that Belarus joins with places like Poland and The Ukraine in order to act as an alliance that bridges the two seas. This is the great wish of Greater Poland, it is currently implausible, but as the EU weakens and Putin ages it may become more likely.

They never was russians, but "locals" speaking local dialects.There were no one Belarusian language till 20th century.After WW2 part of them considered themselves as "soviet people".
But Łukaszenko happened, and now they consider themselves Belorussians.Which means, that nor Putin could made them Russians,nor Poland Poles.
And alliance with Ukraine is impossible, becouse ruling oligarchs there would never agree to that.Poland...i do not undarstandt,why we are attacking Łukaszenko.If he fail,we would get either Putin puppet or another Ukraine with Poland- hating ruling elites.

 

[Yinko]

They never was russians, but "locals" speaking local dialects.There were no one Belarusian language till 20th century.After WW2 part of them considered themselves as "soviet people".

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Belarusian history in the Russian Empire - Wikipedia

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Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia

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Yes and no. The region we currently call White Russia was split off from the Commonwealth by the Russian Empire in the 1700's by Catherine the Great and used as a place to settle undesirable minorities so that they could act as cannon fodder against invading European powers. The only reason why there was no unified language was because many of those people were moved there from other places and were never really encouraged to integrate.

Belarusian Democratic Republic - Wikipedia

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World War II casualties of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

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However, after the fall of the Czardom the surrendering loyalists took White Russia (as opposed to Red Russia) for their own, until they were conquered by Trotsky on his way to the Miracle on the Vistula. This influx of people likely resulted in a minor culture shift at the time, though that would have been completely eclipsed by the twinned effects of the Soviet conquest and the Great Patriotic War, which killed 25.3% of the total population of Belarus at the time.

Religion in Belarus - Wikipedia

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Languages of Belarus - Wikipedia

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Demographics of Belarus - Wikipedia

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Russian Orthodoxy accounts for 48.3% of the population, with 41.1% being non-religious. 70.2% of families speak Russian in the home, not Belarussian, despite it being as much a dialect of Russian as Ukrainian is. This would indicate to me that there is a strong synergy with Russia. It is true however that 81.1% of people consider themselves "ethnic Belarus" at present, though it is unclear what exactly that means as the region has had no distinct history or culture separate from Russia for several centuries. One generation of independence does not a new ethnic group make.

 

[Tryglaw]

Sad thing is - Lukaszenko really do not need fake election,becouse he gave people stability and social state - so, they look and Ukraine, Russia, even Poland and say - OK,we like our boss.
And he is no Putin puppet,too - he refused making Belarus part of Russia, or even any closer relations.He is making a lot of bussines with China, so i do not think, that he has reasons to worry.

Actually, to (re)unite Belarus with Russia was his idea - with the assumption that he would become the head of the merged state. Russian elites said an enthusiastic "da!" to the first part, and "LOL, nyet!" to the second.
Had he been allowed as the new President of United Russias (or whatever), the (re)unification would have been done years ago...

 

[ATP]

Actually, to (re)unite Belarus with Russia was his idea - with the assumption that he would become the head of the merged state. Russian elites said an enthusiastic "da!" to the first part, and "LOL, nyet!" to the second.
Had he been allowed as the new President of United Russias (or whatever), the (re)unification would have been done years ago...

True.He created Belarussian nation,only becouse he could not become Russia president.I would think that such story is possible only in pulpfiction,but....here we have another proof,that RL is always more interesting.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Hackers leak details of 1,000 high-ranking Belarus police officers

Hackers promise to leak more if police crackdown against anti-government protesters continues.

www.zdnet.com

Personal information on just over a thousand police officers in Belarus has been released by hackers including many in law enforcement of the rank Lieutenant and higher. An online response to the hacking/leaking by the Ministry of Internal Affairs was also interrupted temporarily by a DDos attack.

 

[ATP]

Hackers leak details of 1,000 high-ranking Belarus police officers

Hackers promise to leak more if police crackdown against anti-government protesters continues.

www.zdnet.com

Personal information on just over a thousand police officers in Belarus has been released by hackers including many in law enforcement of the rank Lieutenant and higher. An online response to the hacking/leaking by the Ministry of Internal Affairs was also interrupted temporarily by a DDos attack.

Interesting.Who did it ? certainly not Lituania or Poland.We had no technology for that.
USA ? Germany ? Israel ? Russia ?

 

[Zachowon]

Interesting.Who did it ? certainly not Lituania or Poland.We had no technology for that.
USA ? Germany ? Israel ? Russia ?

It does not take a lot to do these kinda things. Your country does have the tech, any country that one can have a personal computer can do these things

 

[ATP]

It does not take a lot to do these kinda things. Your country does have the tech, any country that one can have a personal computer can do these things

Maybe we have tech,but our so-called secret services are unable to do anything without compromising themselves.But some private polish fundation...maybe ?

 

[Zachowon]

Maybe we have tech,but our so-called secret services are unable to do anything without compromising themselves.But some private polish fundation...maybe ?

Do you work for your government? One can also hire Hackers to do this kinda stuff

 

[ATP]

Do you work for your government? One can also hire Hackers to do this kinda stuff

Not in secret services - problem is, they rarely could do something without leaking info.For that same reason, CIA probably do not did it.

 

[Zachowon]

Not in secret services - problem is, they rarely could do something without leaking info.For that same reason, CIA probably do not did it.

You would be surprised man, there is a lot that goes on with your government that you wont know

 

[ATP]

You would be surprised man, there is a lot that goes on with your government that you wont know

What exactly ? that they agreed to pay for german crimes to american jews ? that they supporting UPA on Ukraine ? or maybe that they are faking their fight with lgbt loons ?
If not for a fact,that our Qeen is Holy Mary, i would long ago lost any hope.

 

[Zachowon]

What exactly ? that they agreed to pay for german crimes to american jews ? that they supporting UPA on Ukraine ? or maybe that they are faking their fight with lgbt loons ?
If not for a fact,that our Qeen is Holy Mary, i would long ago lost any hope.

I don't know what it does, I am saying every government does a lot of things its people don't know about

 

[ATP]

I don't know what it does, I am saying every government does a lot of things its people don't know about

Of course.Unfortunatelly when my try that,it quickly become common knowledge.They are not better or worst,but less competent.