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Honestly? I'd set this before the Civil War. Actually Douche Cameron some love and force him to grow up for the sake of his people.

Edit: Oh, fun fact. Arcturus is apparently in Lyran space. So...how did they miss several giant tuning forks?
 

The Whispering Monk

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I'm in favor of pre-Civil War as well now that I think about it. Citadel space can steal roll the Innersphere if it's not unified. They have a ginormous military advantage in space and possibly on ground as well (depends on how well you rank Mechs vs personal Shields and rail guns for everyone!).

The industrial and population capacity of the Citadel species is simply staggering. Then you have the advantage of Biotics as well.

One wrinkle might be the Quarren Migrant Fleet. How does it change things if they run to the Inner Sphere to escape form Citadel bigotry?
 

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...BTech, to my limited understanding, is goddamn saturated in casually shrugging off kilotons, and their armor is designed to be largely ablative because the forces are fucking hopeless to dead-on stop. ME weapons are doing fuck-all on the ground whenever Battle Armor or Mechs are involved. Fuck. All. To say nothing of what the standard-issue lasers do to ME's durability scaling...
 

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...BTech, to my limited understanding, is goddamn saturated in casually shrugging off kilotons, and their armor is designed to be largely ablative because the forces are fucking hopeless to dead-on stop. ME weapons are doing fuck-all on the ground whenever Battle Armor or Mechs are involved. Fuck. All. To say nothing of what the standard-issue lasers do to ME's durability scaling...


Star League ships are slow compared to their Mass Effect counter parts. But they're tanks that can soak up damage and dish it out harder than ME can. And ME doesn't have shields that protect from energy weapons.
 

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No ground armor in Battletech is capable of resisting nukes unless we're talking about a heavily fortified bunker.

Warships can to a degree. That strength is mitigates by the absolute disaster that is Battletech targeting systems. I doubt more than 0.1% of fire from a BTech warship will actually manage to hit a rapidly maneuvering ME ship.

The strength of Battletech warship armor and the number of ships in existence pre-Civil War is why I recommended that time frame. Of course the Periphery realms will be happy to watch the Glorious Star League burn.
 

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No ground armor in Battletech is capable of resisting nukes unless we're talking about a heavily fortified bunker.
I specified kilotons, as in thousands of tons of TNT equivalent. Not nuclear, which is expected to be way the fuck above this bar. Battletech actually tends to hilariously lowball nuclear yields. A thousand pounds TNT isn't that far afield for heavy weaponry even today, for all it's heavy bomber territory.

Battletech's setting is one where the heaviest modern munitions before going nuclear are meant to be barely adequate stopgaps. And those munitions are in fact straddling the line of kilotons when you get into stuff like fuel-air bombs that would be trivial for Mechs to use given the five-ton hatchets.

I'll largely ignore BTech's claimed yield on nukes because a half kiloton nuclear warhead's direct threat radius caps around 750 meters for long term radiation poisoning, and the IRL 316 pound loaded namesake of that had its warhead readily repurposed to a half-kiloton back in the 80s with a 2.5 mile range on a goddamn recoilless rifle against the 3-ton rocket-artillery BTech version having half the range and the same yield. The absolute largest BTech nuke I can find is a 3 megaton design repurposed from a 90 ton conventional system, where the Russians managed a 50 megaton yield on a 27 ton warhead.

Those yields are a joke for the way they're talked about. A 3 megaton device is only around 10 kilometers of causing bog-standard concrete buildings to collapse. With any kind of meaningful advancement in infrastructure durability, as would be a rather obviously high priority with the nukes being slung around, this drops below 4 kilometers. You can gut a particular factory, sure, but you're not taking out an industrial district with any kind of better-than-modern fortification without going quite a bit larger, let alone a city.

And the saturation needed to kill planets with radiation on accident because you are trying to conquer them? With 3 megaton warheads from a 90-ton system? Yeah, no, you need ground detonations with overall yields of gigatons for that to happen. This is literally the "backyard bomb" phenomenon being done piecemeal, you'd be needing thousands of tons of munitions and get very obvious signs it's starting to happen long before being rendered truly unusable.

Like, we are literally talking about infantry ceasing to be useful because the acute fallout is killing them off nearly universally, and at that point it's a few decades to get to hazmats unless you've gone full Backyard Bombing. A bother and murder on profit margins, but if there's any kind of actual strategic value you need to be going for Tzar Bomb yields for this to end up happening. Horribly dirty massive weapons that do in fact wipe a city out in one blast.

When we're talking about the low end, a half-kiloton's ability to damage hardened structures is synonymous with its 60m fireball. A 10 kiloton blast has 120 meters of 600 PSI overpressure directly under the fireball, which is what's generally considered needed to render highways and airfields unusable, and 170 meters of that 200 PSI minimum for any damage to meaningful fortification.

Entirely sensible near-misses from personnel-safe launch distances by the (lack of) guidance standards of BTech are not remotely certain to be mission kills. At least by Nukemap. You'd actually have to proximity-fuse your tactical nukes to be sure about taking out Assault Mechs, given the forces the things put themselves under just walking, let alone the wrestling, let alone what their guns are going to be doing.

*seeths in hatred of inverse inconsistency to Durasnow*
 

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I'm in favor of pre-Civil War as well now that I think about it. Citadel space can steal roll the Innersphere if it's not unified. They have a ginormous military advantage in space and possibly on ground as well (depends on how well you rank Mechs vs personal Shields and rail guns for everyone!).
Why would the Council races back the Batarians in a war, never mind one they potentially started with part of a much less politically toxic new race on the galactic scene?

If anything, the Council would sit back and watched what happened, and at most block the Terminus powers from backing the Batarians.
Honestly? I'd set this before the Civil War. Actually Douche Cameron some love and force him to grow up for the sake of his people.
Unless this is an AU where Stefan Amaris isn't a crazy psycho who wants to take over the Inner Sphere or is dead and unable to influence Richard, what would be the point? You're just kicking the can down the road a year or two at most.

Richard doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who'd suddenly start making sensible decisions if a massive world shaking event happens. Like, sure, he'd pump more money into the SLDF, but do you think he'd actually do the smart thing and pull them back if they're already deployed to the Periphery?

Richard Cameron is one of those characters who can't be changed without drastically altering the circumstances he grew up in, and arguably that's a story worth telling on its own.
 

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Why would the Council races back the Batarians in a war, never mind one they potentially started with part of a much less politically toxic new race on the galactic scene?

If anything, the Council would sit back and watched what happened, and at most block the Terminus powers from backing the Batarians.

Unless this is an AU where Stefan Amaris isn't a crazy psycho who wants to take over the Inner Sphere or is dead and unable to influence Richard, what would be the point? You're just kicking the can down the road a year or two at most.

Richard doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who'd suddenly start making sensible decisions if a massive world shaking event happens. Like, sure, he'd pump more money into the SLDF, but do you think he'd actually do the smart thing and pull them back if they're already deployed to the Periphery?

Richard Cameron is one of those characters who can't be changed without drastically altering the circumstances he grew up in, and arguably that's a story worth telling on its own.

Or maybe set the story a few years before he takes power. Where Kerensky is Regent. Maybe have them do a state visit to the Citadel. Such a thing could profoundly change him if done right. Kept away from Amaris's machinations.
 

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Or maybe set the story a few years before he takes power. Where Kerensky is Regent. Maybe have them do a state visit to the Citadel. Such a thing could profoundly change him if done right. Kept away from Amaris's machinations.
I dunno, it'd take a long visit to unfuck his shit personality, which would probably cause a shitfest from at least Marik and Steiner over Kerensky allowing aliens to influence the future leader of the Star League.
 

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I dunno, it'd take a long visit to unfuck his shit personality, which would probably cause a shitfest from at least Marik and Steiner over Kerensky allowing aliens to influence the future leader of the Star League.


Steiner would want to be on good terms as the Lyrans stand the most to gain. Arcturus is in their space.
 

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Steiner would want to be on good terms as the Lyrans stand the most to gain. Arcturus is in their space.
Everything I've seen about the House lords at the time preceding the Amaris Civil War leads me to think most of them would cut off their noses to spite Kerensky. So Robert (IIRC) Steiner ignoring the long term gains of getting traffic from Citadel space to the Inner Sphere by raising a stink about Kerensky letting Richard Cameron go to the Citadel for any amount of time for political points makes total sense to me.
 

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Everything I've seen about the House lords at the time preceding the Amaris Civil War leads me to think most of them would cut off their noses to spite Kerensky. So Robert (IIRC) Steiner ignoring the long term gains of getting traffic from Citadel space to the Inner Sphere by raising a stink about Kerensky letting Richard Cameron go to the Citadel for any amount of time for political points makes total sense to me.


What can he reasonably do?
 

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What can he reasonably do?
Kerensky? Not much, besides maybe hire someone to discreetly kill Amaris?

Like, there's not much Kerensky can do pre-coup when 2 lords hate him personally, the other 3 have a grudge against House Cameron/the Star League for action/inaction in political strife, all 5 don't like that the SLDF could be potentially turned against them, all 5 (IIRC) didn't allow him to stop being Commanding General of the SLDF while he was Richard's regent, and the Periphery resents the shit out of the rest of the Star League for the Reunification War and how the system is stacked against them.

At least in a post-Coup scenario where first contact with the Citadel was via the SLDF, he might have a shot at accomplishing something, either as regent for Richard's child or as Director General of the Hegemony. The Citadel could bully the House lords into keeping the Star League going, even with Kerensky as the regent/Director General, by dangling a lot of nice and shiny prizes as a reward for keeping the whole thing going. They have more power and the willingness to use it for political ends than Kerensky ever did, pre-Coup.
 

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Kerensky? Not much, besides maybe hire someone to discreetly kill Amaris?

Like, there's not much Kerensky can do pre-coup when 2 lords hate him personally, the other 3 have a grudge against House Cameron/the Star League for action/inaction in political strife, all 5 don't like that the SLDF could be potentially turned against them, all 5 (IIRC) didn't allow him to stop being Commanding General of the SLDF while he was Richard's regent, and the Periphery resents the shit out of the rest of the Star League for the Reunification War and how the system is stacked against them.

At least in a post-Coup scenario where first contact with the Citadel was via the SLDF, he might have a shot at accomplishing something, either as regent for Richard's child or as Director General of the Hegemony. The Citadel could bully the House lords into keeping the Star League going, even with Kerensky as the regent/Director General, by dangling a lot of nice and shiny prizes as a reward for keeping the whole thing going. They have more power and the willingness to use it for political ends than Kerensky ever did, pre-Coup.


So essentially, by the war happening, This actually makes Kerensky's situation stronger?
 

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So essentially, by the war happening, This actually makes Kerensky's situation stronger?
Having first contact during the war changes the political equation so that having Kerensky and the Star League around is a better alternative than letting it all fall apart and grabbing what's left.

Kenyon Marik and Robert Steiner might hate the SLDF and Kerensky, but they're not going to say no to the SLDF being the potential ablative armor between humanity and alien invasion. And they're not going to let the Terran Hegemony become a beach head for alien interventions against them either.
 

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So essentially, by the war happening, This actually makes Kerensky's situation stronger?

Maybe, although he’d still be hemmed in by the fact that all five of the Great Lords are loyal only to their own narrow and completely selfish interests and actively work against the interests of the Star League and humanity as a whole.
 

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Having first contact during the war changes the political equation so that having Kerensky and the Star League around is a better alternative than letting it all fall apart and grabbing what's left.

Kenyon Marik and Robert Steiner might hate the SLDF and Kerensky, but they're not going to say no to the SLDF being the potential ablative armor between humanity and alien invasion. And they're not going to let the Terran Hegemony become a beach head for alien interventions against them either.

Had a thought about this. Let's say a Cameron Heir survived. Say a younger cousin of Richard. He's away in hiding within the Inner Sphere. Like Richard, he's young, but unlike him, since he was never a contender for the throne he had to learn things the hard way. Smart, adaptable and somewhat charismatic he's pretty much the last Cameron. And while a decent Mechwarrior and military leader his true strength is seem in rebuilding the Star League and long term eco and political growth fir his nation and people.

Maybe, although he’d still be hemmed in by the fact that all five of the Great Lords are loyal only to their own narrow and completely selfish interests and actively work against the interests of the Star League and humanity as a whole.

Now they have reason to work with the SLDF. Because Arcturus is in Lyran space. If the Map Mechwarrior 5 has is accurate. So its the Lyrans who would get the worst of it without Star League help.

That implies that the Star League is actually benefitial to Humanity...the Periphery nations would disagree with this, and, likely, so would most of the Houses.


Massive reforms would be needed.
 

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That implies that the Star League is actually benefitial to Humanity...the Periphery nations would disagree with this, and, likely, so would most of the Houses.
I can see the Asari not-so-subtly pushing for the Star League to shift from a pyramid scheme to keep the Camerons in power to a more fair and equitable system, through copious bribing of the House Lords and pointing out that with the break in continuity between Richard and his kid(s) would allow for them to save face by blaming everything on Richard and Amaris.
Had a thought about this. Let's say a Cameron Heir survived. Say a younger cousin of Richard. He's away in hiding within the Inner Sphere. Like Richard, he's young, but unlike him, since he was never a contender for the throne he had to learn things the hard way. Smart, adaptable and somewhat charismatic he's pretty much the last Cameron. And while a decent Mechwarrior and military leader his true strength is seem in rebuilding the Star League and long term eco and political growth fir his nation and people.
Feels pretty Gary Stu, especially since Amaris in canon got 99.99999999% of the Camerons killed, and the only doubts are about Richard's kid(s), because no one is sure what's up with the Tripitz.
 

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