Battletech BattleTech discussion thread: May the light of Hanse Davion guide us

PsihoKekec

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C3 is adjusted to house force structure of four units, while C3i is adjusted for force structure of six units, which Houses will not accept. And while C3i removes master computer voulnerability, at the lance size C3 network costs eight tons and C3i costs 10 tons, thus the Houses will not adopt the C3i, so the system is dead with the dissolution of the Comguards.

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I guess I was wrong, apparently XTROs have version of Ursus and Beowulf IIC with C3i, Sarna mentions that Republic eventually pressured GBD into droping C3i from use.
 
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I've been debating getting some of the 40k titanicus models, particularly the ones for the Knight Porphyrion (which is my favorite tabletop model). If I do, I was thinking I might as well get some use out of it, so I worked up it's stats in battletech.

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Porphyrion
Tech: Mixed Tech / 3145
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 4, Experimental design


Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: (C)
Power Plant: 300 XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Running Speed: 43.2 km/h
Armor Type: (C) Hardened (C)
Armament:
2 CASE II Equipment (C)
1 iATM 9 (C)
1 RISC Hyper Laser (IS)
1 AP Gauss Rifle (C)
1 RISC Hyper Laser (IS)
1 AP Gauss Rifle (C)
1 Improved C3 CPU (IS)
Manufacturer:
Location:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:



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Type/Model: Porphyrion
Mass: 100 tons


Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 152 pts Standard 0 10.00
(4 LT,3 RT)
Engine: 300 XL Fusion 10 9.50
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 4
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 18 Double (C) [36] 12 8.00
Compact Gyro: (IS) 2 4.50
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 4 0.00
Armor Factor: 212 Hardened (C) 0 26.50


Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 31 33
Center Torso (Rear): 14
L/R Side Torso: 21 22/22
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 5/5
L/R Arm: 17 23/23
L/R Leg: 21 28/28

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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2 CASE II Equipment (C) 0 2 1.00
(CASE II Loc: 1 LT,1 RT)
1 iATM 9 (C) CT 6 28 8 9.00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LT,2 RT)
1 RISC Hyper Laser (IS) LA 24 6 8.00
1 AP Gauss Rifle (C) LT 1 1 0.50
1 RISC Hyper Laser (IS) RA 24 6 8.00
1 AP Gauss Rifle (C) RT 1 40 2 1.50
(Ammo Locations: 1 HD)
1 Improved C3 CPU (IS) RT 0 2 2.50
1 Targeting Computer (C) RT 0 4 4.00
1 Radical HeatSink SystemLT 0 3 4.00
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TOTALS: 56 3 38.50
Crits and Tons Left: 3

Calculated Factors
Total Cost: 28,891,000 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):2389
BV1 with C3: 2988
Battle Value (BV2):2996

I'm not totally satisfied with it, since I can't find a blue shield particle system on it to represent the knight's ion shield and it only has two guns instead of 4, but it does manage to mount all the equipment I like using and has tons of firepower, and that firepower is balanced out by the fact that it's inevitably going to cripple itself when the lasers overload or the RHS misfires, so running it is a race to see if you can kill the enemy before you kill yourself.


The only issue is that the titanicus model is closer to superheavy size than assault, so running this design with that model doesn't feel quite right, but right now I don't have an app that can build superheavies so this the best I can do. I don't want to be deploying superheavy mechs onto the table on a regular basis anyway. Though with another 25-50 tons to play around with, I bet I fit another pair of hyper lasers onto it.....
 

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This thread needs a bumping... and why not aid that with a Blaine Pardoe tweet.



Take note burgeoning SF writers... this is how the successful novelists mind manages his time.


Dear Mr Pardoe,
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.




Seriously, if you make a pie chart, and have this many slices being barely distinguishable shades of the same color, you should be banned from ever making another chart ever again.




Onto the thread topic, I have a newly painted mech to show off:


It's a 3D printed design by a shop in Germany, Jul3D. They offer a lot of the usual MWO model rips, but also some original designs, which most places like that don't do.

The model itself is very, very nice, the print layers are fairly minimal even without paint, with it you almost have to know where too look for them. Good detail on most of it, though the cockpits details could stand to be a bit better, but I've seem worse in offical models too. I'll probably stick with offical models for most stuff, but if you need a mech and it's not in plastic ortiu don't like the old metal one, this is a good plan B.
 

PsihoKekec

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That or on your dropship so you don't have to worry about unloading them.
Works for cruise missiles, but with other artillery systems it's best used as self defense and not offensivly, as dropship will lose artillery duel with mobile counterpart.
 

Doomsought

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Works for cruise missiles, but with other artillery systems it's best used as self defense and not offensivly, as dropship will lose artillery duel with mobile counterpart.
Now I am imagining a Leapard dropship set up like a super-sized AC-130. Take out the mech bays and you have 600 tons to play with. You could fit 8 long toms with 300rnds on each broadside. Keep the aerospace bays for escorts.
 

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Dear Mr Pardoe,
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.

Seriously, if you make a pie chart, and have this many slices being barely distinguishable shades of the same color, you should be banned from ever making another chart ever again.

The pie chart is literally just a visual aid to the actual humor of the post.

smh… :p
 

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Btw, thinking of painting a Star from my Jade Pheonix Battalion from Clover Spear, anyone got ideas for colors?
 

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Btw, thinking of painting a Star from my Jade Pheonix Battalion from Clover Spear, anyone got ideas for colors?

I'd try to get something that really speaks to what it is to be an honorable and ausquious warriors of Jade Falcon.

Start with a single solid color on the feet, something bright. Red would be good.
Change to another color for the legs, something eye catching, maybe with stripes.
Torso should be the same, but make sure it clashes with the legs, and add polka dots.
Add a kind of collared look by painting a thick ring around the head.
That head itself should be mostly white, with red highlights on key details.
 

PsihoKekec

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Now I am imagining a Leapard dropship set up like a super-sized AC-130. Take out the mech bays and you have 600 tons to play with. You could fit 8 long toms with 300rnds on each broadside. Keep the aerospace bays for escorts.
As far as I know artillery indirect fire can't be used while up in air, while for direct fire artillery cannons are better option. And since Long Tom Cannon is 10 tons lighter than Long Tom Artillery, it would give you 160 tons to play with, perhaps to increase armor, so your murder bird can survive the well deserved attention your enemies will give it.

Also why make it like 18th century warship? Just move ALL the big guns to one side and do the cone of death tactic of AC-130.

Proposed mascot for your murder bird contraption


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Doomsought

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As far as I know artillery indirect fire can't be used while up in air, while for direct fire artillery cannons are better option. And since Long Tom Cannon is 10 tons lighter than Long Tom Artillery, it would give you 160 tons to play with, perhaps to increase armor, so your murder bird can survive the well deserved attention your enemies will give it.
If we are going with Artillery Cannon for the Shoebill, then maybe we should mix in some AC-2 or hyper-velocity AC-5s (Depending on era) for precision work.
 

PsihoKekec

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HVAC? Don't they randomly blow up? You could mix some AC-2 or 5 with precision/flak ammo for enemy fighters, but for air to ground work you already have the artillery deluge to do your work. Can dropship strafing runs be done in Megamek, so I can test this?
 

Bear Ribs

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It seems to me that one option for more mobile Ortillery, that hasn't every been done as far as I know, is a small craft. I've been on a bit of a small craft kick anyway since there's so few of them. Named the Pigeon for it's habit of... well you can probably guess.

Code:
Pigeon Artillery Small Craft
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS) 
Era:   2850+
Tech Rating: D/X-E-D-D  
Weight: 200 tons 
BV: 1,837 
Cost: 15,917,650 C-bills  
Movement: 5/8 
Heat Sinks: 12 
Fuel Points: 400/600 (7.5 tons) 
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84  
Structural Integrity: 9 Armor: 508 

Armor
Nose        150
Left Side   125
Right Side  125
Aft         108

 
Weapons      Loc     Heat
Sniper       NOS     10
Sniper       NOS     10
LRM 15       NOS      5
Medium Laser LS       3
Medium Laser LS       3
Medium Laser AFT      3
 
Ammo         Loc      Shots
Sniper Ammo  NOS      10
Sniper Ammo  NOS      10
Sniper Ammo  NOS      10
LRM 15 Ammo  NOS      8
LRM 15 Ammo  NOS      8


Carrying Capacity 
Infantry Bay (2 doors) - 1 Foot platoon Infantry Bay 1 Motorized platoon Infantry Bay
Cargo Space (2 doors) - 3 tons  

Crew
Officers            1
Enlisted/Non-rated  2
Gunners             1
Bay Personnel       56


I'm perfectly aware this isn't optimized and isn't meant to be, too easy to break the game that way. It'd be better to take out all the lasers, which aren't actually going to offer any serious protection, in another piece of ortillery or a larger cargo bay and more infantry. It's made entirely with technology available during the mid-succession wars.

The basic idea is that this craft can launch from the DropShip and provide a second point of attack. The sniper artillery pastes the enemy at range and the infantry provide close support, and also goes and steal stuff legally salvages the battlefield as available. If there's an enemy force that's too tough to take it simply packs up and leaves back to the DropShip. Obviously it needs a fighter escort if there's enemy air cover given it's anemic weaponry.
 

Doomsought

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HVAC? Don't they randomly blow up? You could mix some AC-2 or 5 with precision/flak ammo for enemy fighters, but for air to ground work you already have the artillery deluge to do your work. Can dropship strafing runs be done in Megamek, so I can test this?
Putting broadside guns in an aerodine is firmly in house-rule territory.
 

Doomsought

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Speaking of house Rules, does anyone have any homebrew equipment or modifications?

Can be applied to LRMs, Mech Mortars, and Thunderbolt missiles.
  • The Weapon's Minimum Range is increased by 1, and maximum range reduced by 1.
  • The weapon can only be fired using indirect fire rules.
  • The weapon ignores facing.
  • Mechs can only mount VLS weapons on their side torso slots. Cannot be used by aircraft.
  • Allowed weapons mounted on the nose of a landed spheroid dropship can be fired as if they were VLS mounted.
 

Bear Ribs

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Speaking of house Rules, does anyone have any homebrew equipment or modifications?

Can be applied to LRMs, Mech Mortars, and Thunderbolt missiles.
  • The Weapon's Minimum Range is increased by 1, and maximum range reduced by 1.
  • The weapon can only be fired using indirect fire rules.
  • The weapon ignores facing.
  • Mechs can only mount VLS weapons on their side torso slots. Cannot be used by aircraft.
  • Allowed weapons mounted on the nose of a landed spheroid dropship can be fired as if they were VLS mounted.
It appears to be worse than existing weapons in every way. Why would you ever use it?
 

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