Assassin's Creed General Thread: Lets lose a finger

f1onagher

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Every work of fiction set in this era likes to glorify vikings over Anglo-Saxons. We all know it's because a Christian civilization has to be the oppressor somehow.
I'm playing that game right now and have helped to install two different puppet kings to the thrones of Mercia and East Anglia, supported an anti-Wessex rebellion in western Mercia, punted Lundun into a semi-independent city-state under joint Norse-Saxon control, stopped a Welsh king from retaking lands that his people have a much better claim to than I do, and helped stabilize a Norse controlled regime in Jorvic in Northumbria. Reading between the lines I am pretty clearly conquering England for the Norse, even in this deeply sanitized take on the Viking invasion of England.

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Does turning the story of the viking invasion of England into a tale about how colonialism is awesome and the nazis were totally right about the innate superiority of the norse over everyone else count?


As a general note, I'm suspicious of any sort of historical reinterpretation akin to what ubisoft is doing, because departing from the anchor of real history opens the work up to contemporary prejudices seeping in instead, such as the generally anti-christian sentiment in valhalla, and that the cited reasoning of "being more inclusive" has never really held up to scrutiny.
Huh, that was pretty good, thanks for sharing.

So, the guy that writes the pedantry is actually pretty good at these, but like all writers, his personal beliefs color his worldview. He only once, at the very end touches on the actual problem with the cultural depictions in this game. That as far as 'enlightened' 21st century moralists are concerned white people and Christianity can not be victims of persecution of any kind. He does mention that this creates a rather unfortunate Nazi-esque implication. I would call this irony. That multiculturalism's endpoint is functionally no different than the white supremacist worldview it claims to oppose, just with the victims flipped.

I'm going to go rewatch Vinland Saga now. Apparently, Japanese nerds are better at researching and depicting European history than French-Canadians are.
 

Navarro

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I'm going to go rewatch Vinland Saga now. Apparently, Japanese nerds are better at researching and depicting European history than French-Canadians are.

One wonders if that has anything to do with their take on the early medieval English.


Every work of fiction set in this era likes to glorify vikings over Anglo-Saxons. We all know it's because a Christian civilization has to be the oppressor somehow.

Especially hilariously inaccurate given how the invasion ended with the Vikings all converting to Christianity.
 

almostinsane

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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the moment they let people choose the gender of their character, they started making the female option canon?
 

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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the moment they let people choose the gender of their character, they started making the female option canon?
Wait, is the female one canon for Valhalla as well?
I was irked by that in Odyssey... Though people said Alexios fits better not as miana character but as the other one.
 

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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the moment they let people choose the gender of their character, they started making the female option canon?
No, you are not the only one. I bet you dollars to donuts their development is more female than men now. Females love putting themselves on pedestrals after all.
 

almostinsane

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Wait, is the female one canon for Valhalla as well?
I was irked by that in Odyssey... Though people said Alexios fits better not as miana character but as the other one.

Yeah. Both are female despite living in societies that would laugh at a woman trying to be a warrior (even Norse society was patriarchal. Shieldmaidens were myth.)

I liked the Sea of Trolls trilogy where the former shieldmaiden admits that if Odin saw her, he'd tell her to fetch his mead.
 

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Yeah. Both are female despite living in societies that would laugh at a woman trying to be a warrior (even Norse society was patriarchal. Shieldmaidens were myth.)

I liked the Sea of Trolls trilogy where the former shieldmaiden admits that if Odin saw her, he'd tell her to fetch his mead.
Eere there female warriors in ancient Greece? I have no clue
 

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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the moment they let people choose the gender of their character, they started making the female option canon?

Not that they made the female PC canon vs the male, and more that they made one or the other canon at all. If you're going to do that, then why have the option in the first place? Why not just tell a better focused story about a single, more defined character?
 

Zachowon

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Not that they made the female PC canon vs the male, and more that they made one or the other canon at all. If you're going to do that, then why have the option in the first place? Why not just tell a better focused story about a single, more defined character?
AC Oddyssey only confirmed the female in a book that goes along, while most of the marketing was on the male
 

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TechSpot did a rundown of the thirteen year history (and twenty four f'ing games) that comprise part of the AssCreed franchise.

Having only played... ONE of the Assassins Creed games (because PC Master Race) reading this helped me grapple with the fact that there have been twelve main games and twelve spinoffs that span two thousand years of historical fictional storytelling. Even better, each entry they cover is several paragraphs long and tells about the release date, platforms, protagonist and the historical setting, which often confuzzles a good simple minded Templar like me.
 

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It's not surprising that Ubisoft keeps churning out new entries in that franchise, even if their quality wax and wane a lot. Personally, I still see the Ezio trilogy as the best parts of the series, with Part 3 being the runner-up. Black Flag was pretty good as a standalone, but not really an assassin game. Edway could have fitted better with the Templars.The later ones became too steeped in sjw-garbage, anti-white and anti-christian text, and desperate attemps to pad the storyline out after they killed off Desmond.
 
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Zachowon

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It's not surprising that Ubisoft keeps churning out new entries in that franchise, even if their quality wax and wane a lot. Personally, I still see the Ezio trilogy as the best parts of the series, with Part 3 being the runner-up. The later ones became too steeped in sjw-garbage, anti-white and anti-christian text, and desperate attemps to pad the storyline out after they killed off Desmond.
I mean, Anti-christian as in how the newest 3 all involve other religions besides chistianity and how the Templars have always been Christians?
Of course the Brotherhood are also Christian, but they were more formed on a creed rather then a religion.
 

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I mean, Anti-christian as in how the newest 3 all involve other religions besides chistianity and how the Templars have always been Christians?
Of course the Brotherhood are also Christian, but they were more formed on a creed rather then a religion.
I mean in the sense of always being portrayed as a tool of oppression and also false, with Atheism and Pagans being the only true religions.
 

ParadiseLost

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No, you are not the only one. I bet you dollars to donuts their development is more female than men now. Females love putting themselves on pedestrals after all.

Uh, no. There is no major game dev company that is primarily female.

Also, Assassin's Creed Valhalla is like Hitler's dream world: a bunch of strong Norse Vikings with Norse wisdom and strength; the Christian's are all incompetent and weak; and there are no Jews (there are no Jews in any Assassin's creed game).

Honestly, given the complete erasure of Jews from history in AC and the massive Viking apologetics, not to mention the pro-Colonialism stance Assassin's Creed is taking here in Valhalla, I wonder how long it is until somebody notices that AC looks like it was written by a Nazi.
 

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I mean in the sense of always being portrayed as a tool of oppression and also false, with Atheism and Pagans being the only true religions.
Except I don't remember atheists being invovled. Just pagans in the new games. The older ones still involved God fearing men.
Like...where are you getting they have been anti Christia?
Uh, no. There is no major game dev company that is primarily female.

Also, Assassin's Creed Valhalla is like Hitler's dream world: a bunch of strong Norse Vikings with Norse wisdom and strength; the Christian's are all incompetent and weak; and there are no Jews (there are no Jews in any Assassin's creed game).

Honestly, given the complete erasure of Jews from history in AC and the massive Viking apologetics, not to mention the pro-Colonialism stance Assassin's Creed is taking here in Valhalla, I wonder how long it is until somebody notices that AC looks like it was written by a Nazi.
So...
Because they did not include the news means they are being made by Nazis?
That makes absolutely no snese!
 

ParadiseLost

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So...
Because they did not include the news means they are being made by Nazis?
That makes absolutely no snese!

Your comment doesn't make any sense, because you said "news" and not Jews.

In any case, I was being (intentionally) hyperbolic for the purposes of humor (pretty sure other people reading my post could tell).

But I do find it weird that a very much history focused game like Assassins Creed features no Jews, even though there would have been Jewish minorities in nearly every single game, and the series itself has much more significant religious themes than most games. Personally, I think they were probably just too afraid that someone would get offended and call their portrayal anti-Semitic, regardless of what they did.

On the other hand, I do think AC Valhalla's portrayal of Christians, Anglo-Saxons, and Vikings is pretty scummy.

But given this was made by a French company, I'm not surprised they portrayed the Anglo-Saxons (IE English) negatively.
 

Zachowon

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Your comment doesn't make any sense, because you said "news" and not Jews.

In any case, I was being (intentionally) hyperbolic for the purposes of humor (pretty sure other people reading my post could tell).

But I do find it weird that a very much history focused game like Assassins Creed features no Jews, even though there would have been Jewish minorities in nearly every single game, and the series itself has much more significant religious themes than most games. Personally, I think they were probably just too afraid that someone would get offended and call their portrayal anti-Semitic, regardless of what they did.

On the other hand, I do think AC Valhalla's portrayal of Christians, Anglo-Saxons, and Vikings is pretty scummy.

But given this was made by a French company, I'm not surprised they portrayed the Anglo-Saxons (IE English) negatively.
Yeah, people need to take into account that it is made by a french company. SO they may be dicks to the English
 

Bassoe

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Your comment doesn't make any sense, because you said "news" and not Jews.

In any case, I was being (intentionally) hyperbolic for the purposes of humor (pretty sure other people reading my post could tell).

But I do find it weird that a very much history focused game like Assassins Creed features no Jews, even though there would have been Jewish minorities in nearly every single game, and the series itself has much more significant religious themes than most games. Personally, I think they were probably just too afraid that someone would get offended and call their portrayal anti-Semitic, regardless of what they did.

On the other hand, I do think AC Valhalla's portrayal of Christians, Anglo-Saxons, and Vikings is pretty scummy.

But given this was made by a French company, I'm not surprised they portrayed the Anglo-Saxons (IE English) negatively.
In conclusion, we need to rectify this oversight with a game set during the biblical exodus with a jewish protagonist assassin. This sounds legitimately cool.
 

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