Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

WolfBear

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Really, having Ukraine import labor from culturally compatible countries after the end of the war might be a great idea if it will ever actually have a shortage of its own, native labor for reconstruction purposes.
Are there any that would be ever interested in the low money that could be offered? Their own labor is the cheapest around.
 

ATP

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The real victory would be to secure Moscow for the GAE. That way, Russians could finally become proud GAE-Lords. And the US would have an even better geopolitical position against China that way.
True,but so what? american elites should destroy Moscov in 1920,1945 or 1961,but idiots always choosed making deals.
They simply could not undarstandt,that there is no lasting deal with Moscov.
They ALWAYS try to take more.
 

WolfBear

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Are there any that would be ever interested in the low money that could be offered? Their own labor is the cheapest around.

Maybe if Ukraine will experience a huge economic boom as a result of huge Western aid and investment post-war and getting its corruption under control, then more people would be interested?

True,but so what? american elites should destroy Moscov in 1920,1945 or 1961,but idiots always choosed making deals.
They simply could not undarstandt,that there is no lasting deal with Moscov.
They ALWAYS try to take more.

1961 was too late.
 

Marduk

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Maybe if Ukraine will experience a huge economic boom as a result of huge Western aid and investment post-war and getting its corruption under control, then more people would be interested?
Yeah, the recent expats having most of motivation though - most didn't really want to move that much, but war and its economic fallout made them. Once that's resolved, they have plenty of motivation to return. Especially those who have construction jobs (many do) when there is reconstruction money coming. Overall due to economic damage the most important thing for reconstruction jobs will be to employ those who lost their old jobs due to all the workplaces getting destroyed or bankrupted in the first place.
 

WolfBear

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Yeah, the recent expats having most of motivation though - most didn't really want to move that much, but war and its economic fallout made them. Once that's resolved, they have plenty of motivation to return. Especially those who have construction jobs (many do) when there is reconstruction money coming. Overall due to economic damage the most important thing for reconstruction jobs will be to employ those who lost their old jobs due to all the workplaces getting destroyed or bankrupted in the first place.

Agreed. First, existing and returning Ukrainian labor will need to find jobs. It is only then if there will still be job shortages that migrants to fill in these jobs should be imported from elsewhere. Though ideally from places that are culturally compatible with Ukraine, at least to a significant extent.
 

Vaermina

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Really, having Ukraine import labor from culturally compatible countries after the end of the war might be a great idea if it will ever actually have a shortage of its own, native labor for reconstruction purposes.
You realize that war causes huge population booms after they end?
 

Husky_Khan

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It's been over a month, any news on the Russian mobilization is going.

Apparently one of Russia's military prosecutor offices is investigating how a large group of Mobiks ended up being dropped off in a field without any supplies and had to start fires to keep warm through the night late in September.



Translated Summary of Letters of Freshly Mobilized Russian Troops.



Caught Drunk by the Policel? Four Years in prison or Three Months in Ukraine.



Russian Helmets Seem Pretty Reliable.



As long as they aren't a victim of bad manucturing.

 

WolfBear

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From Putler to Putlet:

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lloyd007

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I'm withholding judgement of how well the Ukrainians do / how poorly the Russians do until after the withdrawal is completed and/or annihilated since while the Izium / Lyman offensives retook massive amounts of territory, Stalingrad 2022 they certainly weren't despite initial reports. Also more than somewhat skeptical of the fkhueg losses the Russians are reported to have taken in the last weeks... by the Ukrainians... who weren't taking much of any ground for the last few weeks until Kherson finally broke.
 

Sailor.X

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I'm withholding judgement of how well the Ukrainians do / how poorly the Russians do until after the withdrawal is completed and/or annihilated since while the Izium / Lyman offensives retook massive amounts of territory, Stalingrad 2022 they certainly weren't despite initial reports. Also more than somewhat skeptical of the fkhueg losses the Russians are reported to have taken in the last weeks... by the Ukrainians... who weren't taking much of any ground for the last few weeks until Kherson finally broke.
You can find video online of Russian Troops near Kherson running for their lives from Ukrainian Artillery strikes. All Geolocated and posted by Russian Troops themselves.
 

lloyd007

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You can find video online of Russian Troops near Kherson running for their lives from Ukrainian Artillery strikes. All Geolocated and posted by Russian Troops themselves.
There've been videos of Russian columns and even larger units such as that entire BTG trying to cross the Siverodonetsk river getting eviscerated since the start of the war... these losses are seemingly irrelevant to the Kremlin's strategy so long as they get a majority of their men out.

The big question with Kherson is 'Have they pulled off another Izium / Lyman with most of the men escaping with some of their equipment and the vids are from the luckless fodder who were abandoned to 'cover the retreat'... OR is the large part of the entire Kherson Front about to (if not already) get annihilated on the west bank of the Dnipro.

It's a very important question since if 'only' 2-5k are left like zerglings on the west bank, then that means there are plenty of men left to man the artillery positions on the east bank and/or be redeployed to where they might do some good like assaulting the Ukrainian trenches in front of Donetsk or trying to take the lychpin city of the whole eastern front, Bakhmut, or staying warm with constant counterattacks into the vital open fields, small settlements and dirt roads of northern Luhansk or, hell, the Ukrainians would never expect another attack into Vuhledar... and that's why it might work!
 

Sailor.X

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There've been videos of Russian columns and even larger units such as that entire BTG trying to cross the Siverodonetsk river getting eviscerated since the start of the war... these losses are seemingly irrelevant to the Kremlin's strategy so long as they get a majority of their men out.

The big question with Kherson is 'Have they pulled off another Izium / Lyman with most of the men escaping with some of their equipment and the vids are from the luckless fodder who were abandoned to 'cover the retreat'... OR is the large part of the entire Kherson Front about to (if not already) get annihilated on the west bank of the Dnipro.

It's a very important question since if 'only' 2-5k are left like zerglings on the west bank, then that means there are plenty of men left to man the artillery positions on the east bank and/or be redeployed to where they might do some good like assaulting the Ukrainian trenches in front of Donetsk or trying to take the lychpin city of the whole eastern front, Bakhmut, or staying warm with constant counterattacks into the vital open fields, small settlements and dirt roads of northern Luhansk or, hell, the Ukrainians would never expect another attack into Vuhledar... and that's why it might work!
Unfortunately Russian troops have proven time and time again they don't know the meaning of the phase Loose Lips Sink Ships. They communicate a lot on unsecure comm. With tells Ukrainian forces exactly what they are gonna do. So any sneaky plans they may have Private Conscriptivich will blab it out loud on comms.
 

Jormungandr

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So, we've got Vlad the Clueless going full on Gowron (yes, that's a DS9 reference), and Ukraine likely ending up with more equipment and supplies than they did when the war started because Russia is basically giving it to them through retreats, routs, and incompetence.
 

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