Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[ATP]

Note that this is what Nazi Germany did with children deemed "Aryan" enough in Eastern Europe; looks like Russia is continuing the tradition by taking Ukrainian Russian children back to Mother Russia.

How many children are not going to be returned after this war ends? How many will be brainwashed/develop Stockholm for their abductors? How many will go "missing"?

It's all crumbling for Russia -- troops are literally deserting en-masse or fragging their CO's so they can surrender. Their "allies" are turning their guns on Russian troops as soon as they're given said guns... from the Russians. Their state-sponsored PMC is turning to basically the international Mafia gangs for more troops (which is so going to end well, giving military hardware to these people!) and foreign mercenaries. Ukraine is either stealing or salvaging their top of the line (for Russia, anyway) hardware, forcing them to use older stuff in storage, while countries all over the world are donating/selling to Ukraine hardware and munitions constantly.

If this doesn't end with someone close to Putin just going up behind him and shooting him in the head, I'll be surprised.

gang-pressing worked for Royal Navy,so Putin could think that it would worked now,too.Sadly for him - it is not true.
Such methods worked till 20th century,but not now.

And,germans taken about 200.000 polish children who lived thinking,that they are germans - so,why it could not worked for Moscov,too?

 

[Marduk]

gang-pressing worked for Royal Navy,so Putin could think that it would worked now,too.Sadly for him - it is not true.
Such methods worked till 20th century,but not now.

And,germans taken about 200.000 polish children who lived thinking,that they are germans - so,why it could not worked for Moscov,too?

>Navy
Here's the keyword. It was back when the military needed unskilled labor, and once they are on a ship, they are at the mercy of the captain and his armed officers. If the ship goes down, they go with it.
Meanwhile the Russian ones have rifles and aren't on a ship. They can just walk away and become marauders.

 

[ATP]

>Navy
Here's the keyword. It was back when the military needed unskilled labor, and once they are on a ship, they are at the mercy of the captain and his armed officers. If the ship goes down, they go with it.
Meanwhile the Russian ones have rifles and aren't on a ship. They can just walk away and become marauders.

Well,russian serfs was gang pressed till Crimean war,and it worked,too,so....
Maybe elites in Moscov really started belive that rest of population is made from serfs who would alway obey?
So far,they were right.Why not use good method which worked so far?

 

[Marduk]

Well,russian serfs was gang pressed till Crimean war,and it worked,too,so....
Maybe elites in Moscov really started belive that rest of population is made from serfs who would alway obey?
So far,they were right.Why not use good method which worked so far?

It worked so well that the Crimean War ended with them being forbidden from having warships in or fortifications around Black Sea.

 

[ATP]

It worked so well that the Crimean War ended with them being forbidden from having warships in or fortifications around Black Sea.

Well,true,but....maybe Putin knew something which we do not knew?
I think,that they lost,BUT,they are KGB.So,there could be some hidden super plan which gave them victory.
Hidden super army?
super soldiers?
super missiles?
hidden underground cities to survive super Ebola which kill all of us?

I do not jocking,KGB could never be underestimated.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Shevchenko Park Playground Fully Operational

 

[WolfBear]

Chinese state media highlights Putin's "daunting" losses in Ukraine

China remains one of Russia's closest allies amid its invasion of Ukraine, but media figures are raising concerns about Russian losses.

www.newsweek.com

 

[WolfBear]

 

[WolfBear]

The Donbass separatists set their eyes on their Alamo, specifically Sloviansk:

It's their Alamo because they lost this battle back in 2014 but it helped shape their identity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sloviansk

Just like the Texas rebels' identity was shaped in part by the Battle of the Alamo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo

Do I think that the Donbass separatists actually deserve to conquer Sloviansk? No, because the people there likely don't want to live under their rule. And FWIW, I myself have, or at least had several decades ago, some maternal relatives living in Sloviansk. I'm not sure what happened to them and their descendants by now since we haven't kept in touch with them for several decades, unfortunately.

That said, though, Sloviansk would at least be an understandable target for the Donbass separatists given its extremely huge symbolism to them.

Thankfully, the Russians and Donbass separatists have still not captured Sloviansk, which thankfully shows just how pathetic they are. They don't even control the entire Donbass yet lol!

 

[WolfBear]

 

[WolfBear]

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-technological-backwardness/

There remain strong financial and ultimately institutional barriers to unlocking Russia’s scientific potential. Putin and his clique seem to prefer lavishing resources on expensive status-signalling sporting events and white elephants as opposed to serious science and supercomputers. The former burnishes his prestige amongst simple people and provides endless opportunities to siphon away money to his Ozero chums – the latest lunatic project is to built a bridge for $10 billion to Sakhalin and its 500,000 people (a contract won by Arkady Rotenberg – who else?), which is about what the federal government spends on the Ministry of Education in a year – while the latter will only cause political trouble.

If Putin will lose his war in Ukraine and Russia will subsequently experience a color revolution and join the Western bloc (after paying reparations to Ukraine, of course), then a bridge to Sakhalin would actually make a lot of sense if it would also be combined with a Sakhalin-Hokkaido bridge, a Hokkaido-Honshu bridge, and a Japanese-South Korean undersea tunnel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%E2%80%93Korea_Undersea_Tunnel

This would provide a direct land route for South Koreans and Japanese to travel to the Asian mainland without ever going through totalitarian and tyrannical North Korea.

 

[Bassoe]

 

[Zachowon]

Definitely our problem.
Because it is called,
Allies.

Now, if Trump was doing all of this no one would bat an eye

 

[Morphic Tide]

Definitely our problem.
Because it is called,
Allies.

Who? Russia stopped being an avowed enemy when it stopped being the USSR, and Ukraine only saw literally any talk of formal allying after 2014, which had still not been reached at the start of this. This is 100% picking the fight for no good reason, because the belligerents do not include our official allies, nor any official enemies. It's back-door bullshit of very exactly the kind that caused World War One, and on a basis that's basically just "Fuck Russia, All Hail Status Quo".

There is not a single obligation the United States has for Ukraine, and on Russia's side they're staring down an incredibly blatant effort to annihilate any chance of resisting hostilities by leaving them the least defensible possible borders of influence (completely surrounding Kaliningrad is bullshit). We have our own energy resources, we have plenty enough surplus agricultural capacity, by all rights we could have spent the eight years since Maiden preparing for Ukraine to drop off the face of the Earth overnight.

Letting the corruptocrats fuck around in Ukraine was a massive mistake. They really should have known better than to keep their dirty laundry on a land border with somebody outside of their club. Border states exist for a reason, do not take every single border state for yourself. Because that is basic geopolitics, working to force the worst possible condition on somebody long before declaring hostilities is going to provoke the hostilities.

 

[WolfBear]

Letting the corruptocrats fuck around in Ukraine was a massive mistake. They really should have known better than to keep their dirty laundry on a land border with somebody outside of their club. Border states exist for a reason, do not take every single border state for yourself. Because that is basic geopolitics, working to force the worst possible condition on somebody long before declaring hostilities is going to provoke the hostilities.

Can NATO insist on a neutral Belarus by that logic? What about a neutral Armenia?

 

[Morphic Tide]

Can NATO insist on a neutral Belarus by that logic? What about a neutral Armenia?

Those two don't seem to be important to the "core" interests. The "essential" Russian allies in terms of raw geography, to my understanding, would actually be Latvia and Lithuania. Because that gives a land route to Kaliningrad, thus securing officially-recognized borders.

I don't have all the reference material on hand, but it basically comes down to "let Russia be in a position to keep its shit". Don't force it to have to guard the largest possible open plains border by walking NATO to direct contact. NATO has a whole other fucking continent to be untouchable industrial base, Russia's being casually denied its diect neighbors as even neutral.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Russia's being casually denied its diect neighbors as even neutral.

Yes, because Russia can't keep its hands off its direct neighbors when they are Neutral, and we all know how that goes.

EDIT: also, there's a thread for this

https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/russia-ukraine-war-political-discussion.7627/

 

[Bacle]

Who? Russia stopped being an avowed enemy when it stopped being the USSR, and Ukraine only saw literally any talk of formal allying after 2014, which had still not been reached at the start of this. This is 100% picking the fight for no good reason, because the belligerents do not include our official allies, nor any official enemies. It's back-door bullshit of very exactly the kind that caused World War One, and on a basis that's basically just "Fuck Russia, All Hail Status Quo".

There is not a single obligation the United States has for Ukraine, and on Russia's side they're staring down an incredibly blatant effort to annihilate any chance of resisting hostilities by leaving them the least defensible possible borders of influence (completely surrounding Kaliningrad is bullshit). We have our own energy resources, we have plenty enough surplus agricultural capacity, by all rights we could have spent the eight years since Maiden preparing for Ukraine to drop off the face of the Earth overnight.

Letting the corruptocrats fuck around in Ukraine was a massive mistake. They really should have known better than to keep their dirty laundry on a land border with somebody outside of their club. Border states exist for a reason, do not take every single border state for yourself. Because that is basic geopolitics, working to force the worst possible condition on somebody long before declaring hostilities is going to provoke the hostilities.

You do know about the security guarantees given to Ukraine when they gave up their nukes, right?

The US, UK, and Russia all gave security guarantees to Ukraine in exchange for them giving Russia the nukes the USSR left on their soil.

Out of all those parties, only Russia has broken the terms of the deal, while the US and UK have stuck to it, even if it took a bit for people to take the situation seriously.

Russia is the aggressor here, and started this war to get the oil reserves in the Donbas and off Crimea, as well as to try to remake the USSR. the Baltics and Poles know the score., and they are in NATO.

 

[ATP]

Those two don't seem to be important to the "core" interests. The "essential" Russian allies in terms of raw geography, to my understanding, would actually be Latvia and Lithuania. Because that gives a land route to Kaliningrad, thus securing officially-recognized borders.

I don't have all the reference material on hand, but it basically comes down to "let Russia be in a position to keep its shit". Don't force it to have to guard the largest possible open plains border by walking NATO to direct contact. NATO has a whole other fucking continent to be untouchable industrial base, Russia's being casually denied its diect neighbors as even neutral.

If they were normal imperialists,it could be valid argument.
Here,we have Moscov which:
1.declared that Ukraine do not exist and ukrainians do not exist
2.Started war
3.Started genocide on occupied territories
4.Now,is losing war.

They are not normal power - but delusional genociders who are to weak to genocide their enemies.
You do not made deals with such creatures.

I would undarstand making immoral deal with China over corpse of Taiwan,but deals with Moscov? why?
You could sell people to strong smart genociders,not weak and stupid.

P.S Biden owners made deal with Moscov,and putin break it.Why made any other deal?
And,they are not russians - that nation was wiped out or brainwashed by soviets and do not longer exist.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Yes, because Russia can't keep its hands off its direct neighbors when they are Neutral, and we all know how that goes.

NATO walked up to Russia's border years before any aggression from Russia on anything. Latvia joined NATO in 2004, what the fuck did Russia do to justify that?

Out of all those parties, only Russia has broken the terms of the deal

No, the US has violated the Budapest Memorandum as well. Economic coercion is included, so the shenanigans with making foreign aid contingent on closing investigations are in fact an instance of breaking the terms of the deal.