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Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Marduk

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One could say the same thing about the futility of having Russia conquer Ukraine. Ukraine could have 25 million after the end of the current war, maybe 20 million by the time of the next war if there will actually be a next war, and maybe 10 million if Russia will ever conquer Ukraine due to mass Ukrainian emigration to the West in such a scenario. This will make any boost to Russia's population from incorporating Ukraine rather small.
Bold of him to assume that it is a boost. The current situation is unstable, war end + 5 years or so will be the time when long term demographic effects can be discussed. The thing that will be curious is the filtering effect in population distributions.
For one Russia would get a disproportionate segment of nostalgic for USSR local retirees and near retirees. Also local underclass and others who don't give a damn about who rules over them. Meanwhile Ukraine and West would get a disproportionate amount of middle class professionals and young people who want western freedoms or consider themselves patriots.

By that logic, Ashkenazi Jews should strongly prefer Muslims over Westerners because Westerners, especially Germans, have killed many more Jews over the past century than Muslims did, right?
By that logic Russia should fear Mongolia, Germany and Russia (when it comes to killing Russians, few can compare) itself over USA.
 

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Bold of him to assume that it is a boost. The current situation is unstable, war end + 5 years or so will be the time when long term demographic effects can be discussed. The thing that will be curious is the filtering effect in population distributions.
For one Russia would get a disproportionate segment of nostalgic for USSR local retirees and near retirees. Also local underclass and others who don't give a damn about who rules over them. Meanwhile Ukraine and West would get a disproportionate amount of middle class professionals and young people who want western freedoms or consider themselves patriots.
Agreed.

By that logic Russia should fear Mongolia, Germany and Russia (when it comes to killing Russians, few can compare) itself over USA.
A lot of people should fear Mongolia by that logic! :D

It's quite interesting that I had a Jewish great-uncle and aunt who were Holocaust survivors (they were successfully evacuated from Odessa to the Soviet interior in late 1941 before Odessa fell) and yet they moved to Hannover, Germany rather than to Israel in the 1990s after the Soviet collapse. By Anatoly Karlin's logic, this would make no sense, yet it makes perfect sense since Germany is wealthier than Israel, treats Holocaust survivors better (especially financially), and has fully come to terms with and made amends for its Nazi past by that point in time.

It would also be illogical by Anatoly Karlin's logic for a majority of the world's Ashkenazi Jews to live in the West (and for many of the ones who don't to have nevertheless preferred to move to the West over Israel had they actually had this choice back when they were moving) since Westerners were the ones who were primarily responsible for the mass murder of Ashkenazi Jews over the last 100 years, yet this fact makes perfect sense considering that the West is not a monolithic bloc across time and space and that nowadays most Westerners condemn the Nazis and what they did and thus make it tolerable and indeed even acceptable for Jews to live in their countries, at least when their countries don't have significant numbers of anti-Semitic Muslims.
 

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A lot of people should fear Mongolia by that logic!
Well, if you start with the assumption that everyone in history is out to get you, it makes more sense to use kill count as a proxy for how good they are at it. Thus, China and the west are both Russia's enemy, but China is the less successful one and thus makes a better partner.
 

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Well, if you start with the assumption that everyone in history is out to get you, it makes more sense to use kill count as a proxy for how good they are at it. Thus, China and the west are both Russia's enemy, but China is the less successful one and thus makes a better partner.
That was Moscov doctrine - they belived then West could destroy them,and China could not.But,according to their doctrine,they should never start open war on Ukraine,too.

Another topic - german media in Poland/onet/ claimed,that USA are allied with China now.
 

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Sad. Hope someone gives her a warm bed to sleep in.
Germany, everyone: Where you can insult, cheat, and outright terrorize the native people, but the moment you hurt the fee-fees of foreigners, the state comes down on you like a sack of bricks.

No sympathy for the whore either, but it's maddening how hypocritical the german elites are.
 

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Germany, everyone: Where you can insult, cheat, and outright terrorize the native people, but the moment you hurt the fee-fees of foreigners, the state comes down on you like a sack of bricks.

No sympathy for the whore either, but it's maddening how hypocritical the german elites are.
Indeed.Hitler was genocider,but,he at least was honest.
On another hand - if we must choose,hypocrites who only steal and kill few are better then genociders.
 

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From what I understand of soviet humor, when suffering and dying is exactly the time for jokes.
Yep: Joseph Stalin once said that in the Soviet Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to advance!

 

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Some American Neo-Nazi is apparently going around harassing US Soldiers in Poland, calling the Black soldiers niggers and telling them not to fuck the local White women and that these American Sodomites aren't allowed in Poland since it's a White Christian country yadda yadda.


And I'm assuming it's an American heckling them because of the accent. I don't know where Michael Tracey is at the moment so who knows who the likely suspect could be. Probably reveal itself soon enough.
 

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Some American Neo-Nazi is apparently going around harassing US Soldiers in Poland, calling the Black soldiers niggers and telling them not to fuck the local White women and that these American Sodomites aren't allowed in Poland since it's a White Christian country yadda yadda.


And I'm assuming it's an American heckling them because of the accent. I don't know where Michael Tracey is at the moment so who knows who the likely suspect could be. Probably reveal itself soon enough.
Maybe he's thinking about Simon Mol lol? Still unacceptable, of course.
 

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@Marduk You're right that statements such as the one make no attempt to distinguish quality from quantity. I suspect that a lot of the 15 million or whatever Ukrainians who would have stayed behind in a scenario where Russia would have conquered all of Ukraine would have been either economically unproductive boomer Sovok types who want a larger pension or low-IQ Sovok types due to the fact that higher-IQ Ukrainians tend to be more nationalistic (Svidomy) and would thus be much less likely to remain under Russian rule if resistance was not a realistic option.



So, on paper Russia could have perhaps gotten 15 million new citizens. But just how many of them would have actually been economically productive ones?
 

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Honestly, I dislike Zelensky. In fact, the entire situation around Ukraine has me kinda paranoid: when Croatia was fighting for its independence, West slapped it with embargo, which was frankly a crime against humanity with relation to Croatia and BiH. Now, the West is falling over its feet to help Ukraine.

This means that Ukraine has almost certainly been already conquered by the globalist Marxists, and that Zelensky is their puppet. And this promo campaign only reinforces this belief.
 

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Honestly, I dislike Zelensky. In fact, the entire situation around Ukraine has me kinda paranoid: when Croatia was fighting for its independence, West slapped it with embargo, which was frankly a crime against humanity with relation to Croatia and BiH. Now, the West is falling over its feet to help Ukraine.

This means that Ukraine has almost certainly been already conquered by the globalist Marxists, and that Zelensky is their puppet. And this promo campaign only reinforces this belief.
I don't see any harm in Ukraine becoming more pro-LGBTQ+ just so long as it doesn't perform HRT or surgeries on minors.
 

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Honestly, I dislike Zelensky. In fact, the entire situation around Ukraine has me kinda paranoid: when Croatia was fighting for its independence, West slapped it with embargo, which was frankly a crime against humanity with relation to Croatia and BiH. Now, the West is falling over its feet to help Ukraine.

This means that Ukraine has almost certainly been already conquered by the globalist Marxists, and that Zelensky is their puppet. And this promo campaign only reinforces this belief.
From what i've heard before the war, Zelensky was rather mediocre, elected as a "moderate" after the last far right guy (not that it helped dealing with Russians in the end lol), and his chances to get reelected didn't look good.
I think the western chattering classes are just suffering from the shock that he stuck around for the fight after war experiences with the Afghan and Iraqi governments. They were fully prepared to give similar treatment to these more diverse war leaders, but there wasn't much to show, to their disappointment.
higher-IQ Ukrainians tend to be more nationalistic (Svidomy) and would thus be much less likely to remain under Russian rule if resistance was not a realistic option.
Wonder how much of that is war's rallying effect since 2014. Also TV\Internet filtering as news source. Older and lower IQ people would get their news from TV, which was usually biased for Russia, later on sometimes for nationalists. Younger and higher IQ would use Internet more often, which was dominated by nationalists and liberals, the latter especially in EN sources.

For different effects, wonder if it doesn't happen to look similar in Japan regarding communists, and in South Korea regarding NK simps.
In the "old West" academia is full-on exploited by leftist activists for propaganda, so they could be skewing the IQ-political relationship their way.
You know what, even if the West, if there was an invasion by a country that puts liberals in prison or worse, i think liberals would vote "nationalisticly" in favor of not surrendering and focusing on winning the war. Sure, they support the third worlder sneaky invasion, but at the same time they are under effective whitewashing propaganda regarding the character and political leanings of the migrants.
PragerU even did a video on such politically driven ignorance on the theme of "Gays for Palestine", which obviously is not a reciprocated sentiment:
So, on paper Russia could have perhaps gotten 15 million new citizens. But just how many of them would have actually been economically productive ones?
You can already see that. The "stay behinds" in Russian occupation in all the stories tend to be often pensioners or people otherwise struggling to move on a short notice, or Russia sympathizers, who tend to be older too. Meanwhile younger people, especially military age men, have a lot of reasons to not stay there.
You can also try doing demographic analysis on Russian aid queue photos, they tend to confirm that theory - very hard to spot anyone who doesn't look like they are at least in late 40's.
 
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Zelensky is an unlikely hero, but a hero nonetheless. As an Eastern European politician he likely does have skeletons in the closet (Putin meanwhile has literal skeletons in his closet), but I've found his leadership throughout this to be majestic.

If this is Ukraine's "battle of Britain" moment, then providence indeed wisely provided a Churchill for them.
 

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Honestly, I dislike Zelensky. In fact, the entire situation around Ukraine has me kinda paranoid: when Croatia was fighting for its independence, West slapped it with embargo, which was frankly a crime against humanity with relation to Croatia and BiH. Now, the West is falling over its feet to help Ukraine.

This means that Ukraine has almost certainly been already conquered by the globalist Marxists, and that Zelensky is their puppet. And this promo campaign only reinforces this belief.
I read,that he was actor hired by one of oligarchs to help him.And now,puppet becomed man of state,becouse he do not gave Ukraine to his mentor.
Besides,Bides sell Ukraine to Moscov - IF Putin eat them partially,and help against China.
Then Putin claimed to be China ally,and attacked to take all on one grab.
USA support Ukraine - but,still prefer deal with Moscov.After removing Putin,of course.
 
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