Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[History Learner]

As if I need to quote you for you to notice I posted something responding to you.

Generally speaking yes, you should. It being 6 AM EST and no one else posting being the key to even noticing it in this instance.

 

[Captain X]

Yeah, I mean, it's not like my post is directly after yours or anything, or that the forum notifies you of responses to a thread you've posted in or anything.

 

[Megadeath]

2,336 KIA since the start of the conflict, according to the same BBC; if that's a meat grinder and the Russian Army is but cannon fodder, what does this say about the Ukrainian Government admitting their own losses are 2,500–3,000 killed in Mid-April? If you really want to talk about cannon fodder, let's talk about the Ukrainians sending teenagers into battle with just three days training in total.

Not even one, and that's if we ignore the video evidence shows mostly vehicles using Ukrainian digital camo patterns lol.

Yeah... The teens thing has already been gone over, and the idea that <2,500 Russians have died is utterly ridiculous. The only thing I could find from the BBC was them sharing the MoD belief that Russian losses amount to approximately a third of the preinvasion force. Even the Russian government bs was that they'd lost 1,350 by 25th March. It's entirely implausible with everything since that they've suffered less than that in twice as long since.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that somehow Ukrainian forces teleported to Russian controlled territory, attempted a river crossing back into their own area, and other elements of their own force destroyed them? That's the stupidest take I've heard on any element of this since @Agent23 was trying to guess how many hours the invasion would take if it did happen.

 

[Megadeath]

Weird how they can be so right but be so lacking in moral conviction for their views they can’t even use the @ function.

Weird how you can't debate the point, just throw snide and baseless insults.

 

[Bacle]

Which is why he went out of his way to engage with me twice, and specifically state he was going to put me on ignore. Weird to engage in that much interaction if he saw no point in it.

You obviously have not kept up with the sanctions leveled at Russia, or you'd know the no longer have the parts to make more high-end SAMs for themselves, never mind for export.

Taiwan cut of thier microchip supply, and without those, they cannot make much of thier best stuff anymore.

But keep simping for Putin-Senpai, it's kinda hilarious when doing so shows your ignorance.

Beyond the brief report you just quoted I'm not aware of any additional info. Israeli media is busy covering the Palestinian riots and the death of the AJ journalist, they barely even mentioned the S-300 incident.

I've seen speculation that the launch was intended as an implied threat from Russia, since Israeli-Russian relations had deteriorated somewhat because of the Ukraine issue. Israel made some statements that sympathize with Ukraine, Russia said that Hitler had Jewish blood, Israel summoned the Russian ambassador... diplomatically things had gotten a bit dicey between the two as of late. Russia, in the typical Russian heavy handed way, probably just "reminded" Israel that it should play nice or Russia can make intercepting Iranian supplies to Hezbollah much harder.

Ah, ok; yeah, with the riots going on, I guess this isn't the biggest news over there right now.

 

[Zachowon]

Weird how they can be so right but be so lacking in moral conviction for their views they can’t even use the @ function.

As if I need to quote you for you to notice I posted something responding to you.

Boom see.
Now he is in the same post as you and you got notified.

But X isn't wrong.
The west was right in the end about the invasion and told Ukraine ahead of time.
They called the invasion and everyone did an 180 because "Oh shit!" And then Kiev responded better then we all hoped and made Russia bleed

 

[Bacle]

NEXTA is literally Belarussian opposition funded by Western sources; this isn't the first time they've been peddling dumb and obviously untrue shit since the war started. If you're looking to them for truthful and unbiased info, no wonder you did a complete 180 on the situation since February because your information sources are literally CIA fronts.

I did a 180 when presented with visual evidence that had no other explanation but that Russia was planning to move armor through the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone via the Belurussian border.

Also, I think that tweet might have been a tongue-in-cheek jab at how many Russian generals have been killed.

But all you are trying to do is low-effort snipes at me and others because you simp for Putin-Senpai.

 

[ATP]

2,336 KIA since the start of the conflict, according to the same BBC; if that's a meat grinder and the Russian Army is but cannon fodder, what does this say about the Ukrainian Government admitting their own losses are 2,500–3,000 killed in Mid-April? If you really want to talk about cannon fodder, let's talk about the Ukrainians sending teenagers into battle with just three days training in total.



Not even one, and that's if we ignore the video evidence shows mostly vehicles using Ukrainian digital camo patterns lol.

According to kgbstan,you mean.And difference between Ukraine and Moscov propaganda is that ukrainians could change numbers,but it still is close to reality/let say,16.000 Moscov KIA instead of 25.000 claimed/
Moscov use old soviet tradition - their clais have nothing to do with reality.Remember,according to them Moscov/ship,not state/ just exploded for no reason.

 

[ATP]

I did a 180 when presented with visual evidence that had no other explanation but that Russia was planning to move armor through the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone via the Belurussian border.

Also, I think that tweet might have been a tongue-in-cheek jab at how many Russian generals have been killed.

But all you are trying to do is low-effort snipes at me and others because you simp for Putin-Senpai.

Do not blame him.He see West taken over by leftists,and want some good country which could save world.So he belive in long dead Mother Russia.
When i was younger,i belived in fairy tales like senpai Putin,too.Well,it was good USA,but it was still fairy tale.

Good thing is - when there is no longer good states,elites which rule them are fighting each other,like Biden handlers and Putin.
And,for economical reasons,all states would fall about 2040.So,we do not need myths like good Putin to survive.

 

[Sailor.X]

2,336 KIA since the start of the conflict, according to the same BBC; if that's a meat grinder and the Russian Army is but cannon fodder, what does this say about the Ukrainian Government admitting their own losses are 2,500–3,000 killed in Mid-April? If you really want to talk about cannon fodder, let's talk about the Ukrainians sending teenagers into battle with just three days training in total.



Not even one, and that's if we ignore the video evidence shows mostly vehicles using Ukrainian digital camo patterns lol.

Did I stutter. Heavy intense war is a Meatgrinder. And the Ukrainians are defending their country. Russia is the invader here. And the one that picked the fight in the first place. Then they send in green troops to invade another country. One side has the moral right one side does not. And the Russians aren't the morale ones in this fight.

 

[WolfBear]

Russia has achieved a most glorious victory by conquering the holy city of Mariupol and thus securing a land bridge between Crimea and Russia:

Ukraine declares end to battle for Mariupol, ceding control of key port city to Russia

The evacuation of Ukrainian troops from the Azovstal steel plant represents an important but costly victory for Moscow.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[WolfBear]

Interestingly enough, not everyone in Russia is a Russotriumphalist:

Retired colonel speaks out on Russian TV

Mikhail Khodarenok gives a rare insight saying the military operation in Ukraine can only get worse.

www.bbc.com

 

[WolfBear]

You obviously have not kept up with the sanctions leveled at Russia, or you'd know the no longer have the parts to make more high-end SAMs for themselves, never mind for export.

Taiwan cut of thier microchip supply, and without those, they cannot make much of thier best stuff anymore.

But keep simping for Putin-Senpai, it's kinda hilarious when doing so shows your ignorance.
Ah, ok; yeah, with the riots going on, I guess this isn't the biggest news over there right now.

I guess that this is a vital reason for the US to protect Taiwan from China at all costs, eh? Or at least to rapidly preemptively relocate Taiwan's microchip industries to the US in the event that it will ever look like China will actually use military force to try reconquering Taiwan, right?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I guess that this is a vital reason for the US to protect Taiwan from China at all costs, eh? Or at least to rapidly preemptively relocate Taiwan's microchip industries to the US in the event that it will ever look like China will actually use military force to try reconquering Taiwan, right?

I know of three different microchip facilities being built in the US right now. Total of just under $40 million invested to make it happen.

 

[ATP]

Interestingly enough, not everyone in Russia is a Russotriumphalist:

Retired colonel speaks out on Russian TV

Mikhail Khodarenok gives a rare insight saying the military operation in Ukraine can only get worse.

www.bbc.com

Not all people there are idiots.And,Moscov probably is really losing war.
BUT - Moscov never cared about how many soldiers die,and how much cyvilians are suffering.So,in theory,it really could be faint - Putin wait till everybody think that Moscov is beaten,and then would attack Poland and conqer us in week.
Not very probable,but - plausible.

 

[planefag]

Are you seriously trying to suggest that somehow Ukrainian forces teleported to Russian controlled territory, attempted a river crossing back into their own area, and other elements of their own force destroyed them? That's the stupidest take I've heard on any element of this since @Agent23 was trying to guess how many hours the invasion would take if it did happen.

LMFAO

Russia has achieved a most glorious victory by conquering the holy city of Mariupol and thus securing a land bridge between Crimea and Russia:

We'll see if that actually pans out. There's a reason there was only about 250 men in this first surrender (with 50 of them being seriously wounded men, and the rest likely walking wounded-) it's to see how they're treated. If Russia actually conducts a prisoner exchange, then they'll do another batch. But if they betray them to brutally torture them to death "because they're Nazis" then the Azovstal defenders will naturally fight on.

Russia does have a reason not to betray this time - they badly need a propaganda win and they badly want to free up forces from Mariupol to send to other areas. But it'll remain to be seen if they'll actually consent to prisoner trades of elite infantry (Azov and Marines) for... whomever the hell Ukraine has imprisoned.

 

[Zachowon]

LMFAO



We'll see if that actually pans out. There's a reason there was only about 250 men in this first surrender (with 50 of them being seriously wounded men, and the rest likely walking wounded-) it's to see how they're treated. If Russia actually conducts a prisoner exchange, then they'll do another batch. But if they betray them to brutally torture them to death "because they're Nazis" then the Azovstal defenders will naturally fight on.

Russia does have a reason not to betray this time - they badly need a propaganda win and they badly want to free up forces from Mariupol to send to other areas. But it'll remain to be seen if they'll actually consent to prisoner trades of elite infantry (Azov and Marines) for... whomever the hell Ukraine has imprisoned.

Apperently it has already gone wrong and that the Russians are going to consider no one from Azovstal can be considered for POW trade

 

[planefag]

Apperently it has already gone wrong and that the Russians are going to consider no one from Azovstal can be considered for POW trade

We'll see if that chestbeating in the Duma is more than just chestbeating for domestic consumption. It's a dictatorship ruled by Putin, so only his word really matters.

 

[WolfBear]

Here's another powerful take by Russian nationalist blogger Anatoly Karlin:

 

[Zachowon]

We'll see if that chestbeating in the Duma is more than just chestbeating for domestic consumption. It's a dictatorship ruled by Putin, so only his word really matters.

No, the Azovstal members have nit been seen yet so they are waiting