Are you a monarchist or a republican (anti-monarchist)?

[Agent23]

The Fall of France is the reason that Bulgaria got involved in WWII in the first place. No Fall of France = no Axis invasion and partition of Yugoslavia and also no Operation Barbarossa.

No, it wasn't, it was the German army breathing down our necks and wanting us to let them go do "Hulk Smash" on the Greeks and Serbs.
We went along because we wanted Macedonia back, and for some reason, probably because of WWI, Hitler liked us.

 

[WolfBear]

No, it wasn't, it was the German army breathing down our necks and wanting us to let them go do "Hulk Smash" on the Greeks and Serbs.
We went along because we wanted Macedonia back, and for some reason, probably because of WWI, Hitler liked us.

But none of this was actually going to happen without the Fall of France. Do you really think that Nazi Germany could actually spare some divisions for a conquest of Yugoslavia and Greece if France hasn't actually fallen yet? Or that Bulgaria would actually obey the commands of a Nazi Germany who does not look like it's going to be victorious?

 

[Agent23]

But none of this was actually going to happen without the Fall of France. Do you really think that Nazi Germany could actually spare some divisions for a conquest of Yugoslavia and Greece if France hasn't actually fallen yet? Or that Bulgaria would actually obey the commands of a Nazi Germany who does not look like it's going to be victorious?

You have a real France fetish, don't you?

And a penchant for dragging stuff even further off topic than it already is.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Republics might have worked... in a time that isn't the globalized and politically polarized world of today. Democracies work when you have a unified group of people with a coherent perspective, otherwise it's just people voting against ingroups and outgroups. Representative democracies/republics inherits the same flaws and manages to introduce new ones, such as the elected representatives being motivated by short term gain rather than the long term health of the country.

"Democracy" is a buzzword politicians frequently try to appeal to, as if it is good in of itself. People are indoctrinated by schools to think that voting is good. Processes are not things that are "good" in of themselves. They are conditionally good, so long as they produce the desired results.

In reality democracies are illusory. The real power remains in the hand of the super elite who make the actual decisions. As you can see with the 2020 election, we do not live in a democracy, and if we do then it's bad. We lack to ability to accurately count votes and the system does not address this. Even if we do pretend that Biden was legitimately elected, then that would mean that the majority of Americans are insane and we should do away with elections, as they voted to elect a ruler who clearly suffers from Alzheimer's and has a long history of corruption. The majority of Americans voted to be ruled by someone who is incapable of holding office morally and mentally. Things are not justified by elections.

The US is not the only accessor of democracy’s failings – just take a look at Venezuela, an oil-rich country that is on the brink of starvation due to the “election” of socialists. Clearly, looking at the outcome of their country, the system must be replaced with something that functions better.

At least in a monarchy, there is less bullshit. It's unambiguous who the true decision makers are, and how the responsibility for a screwup lies with. A ruler for life/hereditary ruler's self interest is the longterm wellbeing of his country (as opposed to elected politicians who will sell their country's future for immediate gain), and with their life on the line they are highly incentivized to do well.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

There is only one answer to this question.

 

[WolfBear]

There is only one answer to this question.

Ironically the territory that this was done in (specifically France) quickly became a republic afterwards.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Ironically the territory that this was done in (specifically France) quickly became a republic afterwards.

Louis XIV fucked France over and the only good thing he did was building Versailles so the Kaiser could be crowned, But France sucks anyways so whatever.

 

[WolfBear]

Louis XIV fucked France over and the only good thing he did was building Versailles so the Kaiser could be crowned, But France sucks anyways so whatever.

France sucks so much that it helped beat Germany during WWI and thus helped make Germany a republic lol!

Who's that in your profile pic?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

France sucks so much that it helped beat Germany during WWI and thus helped make Germany a republic lol!

Who's that in your profile pic?

John Cena as Mao Zedong.

 

[WolfBear]

John Cena as Mao Zedong.

Looks like a baker lol!

 

[VictortheMonarch]

They still have 80% African genetic ancestry, though. And culturally, there are some differences, no doubt, but still some similarities with Sub-Saharan Africa as well, such as extremely high crime rates.

The way they act and the culture are too different. Africans (at least the one's I have met) tend to attempt to be respectful. African Americans will tell you to go fuck yourself for asking if you can join in on a game of basketball because you're white. I will admit they have similarities, both phenotypes seem to have an inbuilt need to be lazy, leading to mass amounts of violent crime. But Africans are respectful in a way that they'll do it to your face, African Americans will stand on the other side of the street and jump you. Both strive to better themselves, but a rich African will use that money to make themselves more respectable. A rich African American will blow that money on dope.

Now I'm not saying all of them are like this, there are quite a few who are reasonable and respectful, but the lines are crossed. They are different mentally, and thus is enough to consider them different.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Ironically the territory that this was done in (specifically France) quickly became a republic afterwards.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this done in Luxembourg? As a History nerd I would be fiercely dishonored If I am wrong.

 

[WolfBear]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this done in Luxembourg? As a History nerd I would be fiercely dishonored If I am wrong.

No; it was done at the Palace of Versailles, near Paris, in France.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Personally I'm of the camp of "Reject society returns to tribalism"

to use the sheep and wolf analogy government is essentially swearing fidelity to the wolves because you are a sheep wanting protection from wild dogs. (Bandits, Warlords, etc.) The thing is the wild dogs are at least upfront about eating you because "You look tasty." while the wolves will try to eat you and say "it's for the good of the pack" not to mention the wolves are bigger more organized and will try to justify their beastly behavior. whether it's divine right, blood right, "Gold God and Glory" or "Muh democracy" "The Greater Good, etc.) The justifications change depending on the type of wolf pack it is but the behavior towards the sheep is ultimately the same

I think I rather take my chances with the wild dogs. Unfortunately, the wolves have made it to where no piece of land is unclaimed so the best thing, I can hope for is to keep my head down and be as self-sufficient as possible.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

The good thing about Republicanism is that there is also a chance for a meritocratic system of things, meaning that anyone, regardless of status and class, could advance in society. The bad thing about Republicanism is that there's a good chance that idiots and morons could also ascend into positions of power.

I forgot the proverb, but it's got something to do with ruled by one idiot vs ruled by hundreds of idiots.

Monarchism on the other hand, would provide a long term development plan that will be beneficial, plus it removes the inconvenience of having to change the policies whenever a newly elected leader wins an election. The downside of monarchism is that there is a slight larger chance of stratification of society by class, meaning that the lower class could not advance past their station. Feudalism and monarchism also go hand in hand in this case.

Oligarchy would also be present in both monarchism and republicanism as well.

If monarchism would have to be used, it should be a mixture of constitutional monarchism and the Chinese ideology of the Mandate of Heaven, where a monarch would still have to rule wisely, or he or she will lose that mandate. If only the Russian Tsarist system had adopted the Mandate of Heaven and Christianize that ideology, then Russia wouldn't have idiot or cruel Tsars. Likewise, Imperial Germany would also have benefited from the same proposal I said just now.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

The good thing about Republicanism is that there is also a chance for a meritocratic system of things, meaning that anyone, regardless of status and class, could advance in society. The bad thing about Republicanism is that there's a good chance that idiots and morons could also ascend into positions of power.

I forgot the proverb, but it's got something to do with ruled by one idiot vs ruled by hundreds of idiots.

Monarchism on the other hand, would provide a long term development plan that will be beneficial, plus it removes the inconvenience of having to change the policies whenever a newly elected leader wins an election. The downside of monarchism is that there is a slight larger chance of stratification of society by class, meaning that the lower class could not advance past their station. Feudalism and monarchism also go hand in hand in this case.

Oligarchy would also be present in both monarchism and republicanism as well.

If monarchism would have to be used, it should be a mixture of constitutional monarchism and the Chinese ideology of the Mandate of Heaven, where a monarch would still have to rule wisely, or he or she will lose that mandate. If only the Russian Tsarist system had adopted the Mandate of Heaven and Christianize that ideology, then Russia wouldn't have idiot or cruel Tsars. Likewise, Imperial Germany would also have benefited from the same proposal I said just now.

it's a good thought but said monarchs would try to find loopholes just like the Jewish monarchs did.

 

[Scottty]

More like Wokeanda, and Spoiledkanda, and Attentionwhorekanda.

I'm told that Buckingham Palace staff nicknamed her "Meeeghan".

There is only one answer to this question.

What music soundtrack should be playing in one's head when looking at that picture?

 

[Aldarion]

Definitely a monarchist, but for reasons quite opposite of what you think many monarchists are, apparently.

In fact, I prefer monarchy precisely because monarchs usually did not have a "strong guiding hand" - from what I have seen, democratic government and "democratic" supranational institutions are far more tyrannical and intrusive than any monarchy historically was, even a modern (20th century) absolutist monarchy such as existed in Russia.

I also have a mixed view of hereditary principle. Hereditary principle means that people have less of an impact, but it also means that a monarch is personally invested in the well-being of the country as he has to have something to leave to his children. Either way however, it is not an indication for or against monarchy. Monarchy can but does not need to be hereditary. Democracy on the flip side is allegedly not hereditary, but we see that it often becomes such in practice, especially once you move "behind the scenes" to where the real power lays - that is, to financiers.

The main reason I am a monarchist however is because Croatia has always been a monarchy, and it was only after the genocidal apes Communists took over that we became a "republic". Yes, even the Ustashi, for all they did, did not remove monarchy.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I'm told that Buckingham Palace staff nicknamed her "Meeeghan".



What music soundtrack should be playing in one's head when looking at that picture?

 

[VictortheMonarch]

No; it was done at the Palace of Versailles, near Paris, in France.

Oof. for my failure I shall ritualistically behead myself with a bone saw