TheRomanSlayer
Unipolarity is for Subhuman Trogdolytes
Was the system of the Stadtholder, which was unique within the Dutch Republic, a good fit for a compromise between monarchism and republicanism?
Are you a monarchist or a republican (anti-monarchist)?
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Monarchist for Brazil and Spain. The Brazilian Braganças did some good to my mother's country (Brazil) and Spain is kinda more based than any country they border and are less politicallly correct.
Republican for Italy. The Savoys have fucked up everything since unification.
Neither for Portugal.
Republican for Italy. The Savoys have fucked up everything since unification.
Neither for Portugal.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
France might actually be better off with the Bonapartes rather than the Bourbons then again they could just go with the Orleans.
ParadiseLost
Well-known member
I'm not an idiot, so I'm not a monarchist.
Buba
A total creep
I am a moderately mild monarchist.
At the very least it eliminates elections for Head of State and puts somebody with a longer perspective than "next elections" into the top levels of Government.
as the lyrics begin with
In Thrall to the Evil Lord
Be sure to skip to 1:03 to see the female element of the audience go WILD!
At the very least it eliminates elections for Head of State and puts somebody with a longer perspective than "next elections" into the top levels of Government.
I loved the Partido Popular Monarquico (I hope I remember the spelling). To those who have not learned Portuguese yet, the party's name is People's Monarchist Party.
Why, the only possible soundtrack to the evul! and fascist! scene is this:
as the lyrics begin with
In Thrall to the Evil Lord
Be sure to skip to 1:03 to see the female element of the audience go WILD!
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Who do you want as Poland's king?
TheVeryAlternateHistorian
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I'd say very strong monarchist.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
@Buba to satisfy my curiosity , but as far as know but as far I know both lines of succession agnatic or morganatic and male or female of any Polish kings is either unknown, extinct or is a Galician Hasburg. Do you know any potential claimants?
As far as I know there is the say in Poland "God is King" and that's about it.
As far as I know there is the say in Poland "God is King" and that's about it.
Buba
A total creep
@TheRejectionist
The best "legal" claim to the Polish throne is that of the ... Romanovs
, if one goes with the Polish Kingdom of 1815.
But otherwise all lines are extinct in male line.
So, according to the Constitution of 3.V.91 (of dubious legality TBH) it is up to the Sejm to chose the Monarch.
There is some ordinance of the Duchy of Warsaw which can be interpreted as making Wettins hereditary - but sure what applies to a Duchy of Warsaw need not apply to a Kingdom of Poland, no?
Probably all German Princely Houses have a claim through Piast brides - almost half a thousand years of marital matches with the Silesian and Mazovian branches ... although those descending from the Leignitz-Brieg-Wohlau (Legnica-Brzeg-Wołów) duchy take precendence, as that was the last Piast line to die out in the male.
I'm ignoring the Sobieski (giving claim to some German Houses, like IIRC Wittelsbachs and Winsdors) and Poniatowski upstarts
By distaff all House Habsburg-Lothringen members have a claim through Mary of Czechia-Hungary, daughter of Władysław "Good, Good" Kazimierzowic Jagiellon. Which, BTW, takes us to Kazimierz III - through a line of three girls and one boy (not in such order) - descending from his eldest daughter and by way of Grifittes, Luxemburgs and through Elisabeth von Habsburg who married Kazimierz IV, the last Piast king was an ancestor of Mary too.
Although, to be honest, the Hohenzollerns are descended from an elder daughter and trump the Habsburgs
The best "legal" claim to the Polish throne is that of the ... Romanovs
, if one goes with the Polish Kingdom of 1815.But otherwise all lines are extinct in male line.
So, according to the Constitution of 3.V.91 (of dubious legality TBH) it is up to the Sejm to chose the Monarch.
There is some ordinance of the Duchy of Warsaw which can be interpreted as making Wettins hereditary - but sure what applies to a Duchy of Warsaw need not apply to a Kingdom of Poland, no?
Probably all German Princely Houses have a claim through Piast brides - almost half a thousand years of marital matches with the Silesian and Mazovian branches ... although those descending from the Leignitz-Brieg-Wohlau (Legnica-Brzeg-Wołów) duchy take precendence, as that was the last Piast line to die out in the male.
I'm ignoring the Sobieski (giving claim to some German Houses, like IIRC Wittelsbachs and Winsdors) and Poniatowski upstarts
By distaff all House Habsburg-Lothringen members have a claim through Mary of Czechia-Hungary, daughter of Władysław "Good, Good" Kazimierzowic Jagiellon. Which, BTW, takes us to Kazimierz III - through a line of three girls and one boy (not in such order) - descending from his eldest daughter and by way of Grifittes, Luxemburgs and through Elisabeth von Habsburg who married Kazimierz IV, the last Piast king was an ancestor of Mary too.
Although, to be honest, the Hohenzollerns are descended from an elder daughter and trump the Habsburgs
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@TheRejectionist
The best "legal" claim to the Polish throne is that of the ... Romanovs
But otherwise all lines are extinct in male line.
So, according to the Constitution of 3.V.91 (of dubious legality TBH) it is up to the Sejm to chose the Monarch.
There is some ordinance of the Duchy of Warsaw which can be interpreted as making Wettings hereditary - but sure what applies to a Duchy of Warsaw need not apply to a Kingdom of Poland, no?
Probably all German Princely Houses have a claim through Piast brides - half a thousand years of marital matches with the Silesian and Mazovian branches ...
I'm ignoring the Sobieski (some German Houses, like Wittelsbachs and Winsdors?) and Poniatowski upstarts
By distaff all House Habsburg-Lothringen members have a claim through Mary of Czechia-Hungary, daughter of Władysław "Good, Good" Kazimierzowic Jagiellon. Which, BTW, takes us to Kazimierz III - through a line of three girls and one boy - descending from his eldest daughter and by way of Grifittes, Luxemburgs and Habsburgs he was an ancestor of Mary too.
How about the... Hohenzollerns?
(ducks and runs)
Buba
A total creep
I did some checking and added a line to my previous post.
Yes, the Hohenzollern claim through daughters of Mary of Hungary daughter of Sigismund trumps the Habsburg claim as the latter is through the younger daughter.
Too long for me translate - run some bot over the text quoted in the first post:
historycy.org -> Kto Ma Prawo Do Tronu Polski?
historycy.org -> Kto Ma Prawo Do Tronu Polski?
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I did some checking and added a line to my previous post.
Yes, the Hohenzollern claim through daughters of Mary of Hungary daughter of Sigismund trumps the Habsburg claim as the latter is through the younger daughter.
Too long for me translate - run some bot over the text quoted in the first post:
historycy.org -> Kto Ma Prawo Do Tronu Polski?
historycy.org -> Kto Ma Prawo Do Tronu Polski?www.historycy.org
@Buba I am actually writing a small section dedicated to the Galician Hasburgs thanks to @Batrix2070
Buba
A total creep
Good for you! 💋
If you are using the branch I suspect you are using, then Żywiec Habsburg would be a more precise term, I think.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Good for you! 💋
If you are using the branch I suspect you are using, then Żywiec Habsburg would be a more precise term, I think.
I only "Polonized" their full names. I don't intend to go like The New Order modders and have to give myself headaches for a in deep research. Not only because I went already off topic on a timeline that was suppose to concentrate on Italy, Brazil and the "Southern" emisphere globe.
Roter Rhein , Krasnyy Reyn - What If The Axis Members Called It Quits In Early 1943?
And I am still writing about the US to make the timeline seem a tiny bit logical...
49ersfootball
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Staunch monarchist!