The Americas 'Anti-racist grading' coming to a school near you

ShadowLord

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Turn & Talk / "Antiracist" Grading Starts with You


Cornelius Minor is a grading equity advocate and author of We Got This. Equity, Access, and the Quest to Be Who Our Students Need Us to Be (Heinemann, 2018). A former middle school teacher, he is a lead staff developer with the Teachers College Reading and Writing Project at Columbia University.

How can grading practices support students who fell behind during the recent closures?

First, I want to challenge the assumption of your question—the term "fall behind" is a social construct. This idea of where a person should be is not a naturally occurring thing. We know from child development psychologist Jean Piaget that all people develop differently and grow at different paces.
Essentially, powerful teaching and learning are based on two things: assessment and intervention. When we meet students this fall, how will we most honestly and mindfully assess them and understand where they are? And then how will we move kids forward at a rate that's developmentally appropriate to them?

What are the most pernicious grading practices in use today?
Pernicious grading practices start out as pernicious pedagogy. I cannot separate grading practices from pedagogy, and I cannot separate pedagogy from the history of classism, sexism, racism, and ableism in the United States. The idea of what is successful at school is still very much constructed through an able-bodied, monied, aggressively competitive white male lens.

You've argued that when left unchecked, the attitudes behind grading policies can be traumatizing
Everybody wants to blame it on the practice. But even if we change practices, if we still believe certain kids are just more worthy and smart, grading will remain traumatizing. I'll give you one example, and we've all seen this happen: A teacher calls roll and then goes down the rows of desks collecting homework. Part of that ritual is public shaming. The kids who do not have homework to hand in are often given a mean look or a negative comment: "Oh, not again, Johnny." That communicates the message to all the other kids that this child is not as worthy. Kids pick up on that and start building social hierarchies as young as 1st grade. And to be clear: this happens disproportionality to children of color.

Is there such a thing as antiracist grading?
Absolutely. But again, I want to be very careful because one thing that's happening right now is that people almost want an antiracist activity playbook. You can't say, "I've adopted these three antiracist grading policies and now I'm antiracist." Antiracism is addressing the ideologies that govern schools. There absolutely is such a thing as antiracist grading, but it starts with me examining the biases that I bring into school and the discriminatory ideologies and structures that lead to the types of pedagogy I engage in. It's about me disrupting the very curriculum that I teach, and then it gets to the grading. Think of grading as the output: If your programming code is bad, the output of the program will always be bad.

How would doing that inner work change grading practices?
One thing we understand from Universal Design for Learning is that there are multiple ways a kid can express their knowing. And so if you know 2+2=4, one way you can express your knowing is by writing it. Another way you can express your knowing is by discussing it. A third way is by creating a model that shows it. A fourth way is by illustrating it and a fifth way is by performing a play. But in too many schools, only one way is considered legitimate. So if you write it, you get an A and that's it. There might be 100 kids in the school who know 2+2=4, but if only two of those kids can write it, then only two of those kids will receive As. That is profoundly discriminatory.

One of the first aspects of truly inclusive grading is understanding that the assignment doesn't matter, the learning outcome does. At the end of the week, all I care about is, did the kid meet the learning outcome? I don't care about how they got there.

If the ultimate goal is more equitable grading, where can teachers start?
If I were to give teachers a starter kit, it would be to examine the ideologies that you bring into classrooms—the bad code, to repeat the computer metaphor. Three particularly pernicious ideologies show up in grading. The first is the ideology of should know. There's this false belief that if a 2nd grader walked into my classroom, there are certain things she should know. Rather, it's our job as teachers to discern what students do know and then move them forward.

The second thing I would eliminate is the ideology of transactional gratitude. In most academic spaces, there is a silent pact that teachers make with students: I will agree to teach you well if you demonstrate to me that you are thankful for it. And if you do not demonstrate to me that you are thankful for it, I will withhold quality teaching from you. A teacher will be in the lounge and say something like, "You know, I've done everything to make sure that McKibben kid understands how to add. But all she does is yell. She's not thankful. So I'm not doing it no more." Or, "Can you believe I stayed after school for two hours to help Sarah with her essay and she still didn't turn it in? That kid can forget about it from me." We expect students to show up with gratitude because we do our jobs.

The third is the ideology of deservedness. Even though grading is about proficiency, it often gets conflated with behavior. You can have a student who is proficient at calculus, but if the teacher doesn't like the fact that they are consistently late to class, that kid gets marked down. Again, there's an unspoken pact teachers have with their children: I will agree to teach you well if you demonstrate to me that you deserve it.
If teachers start by examining—and eliminating—those three ideologies, then the grading that will come out on the other end of the system will be far better for children.

—Sarah McKibben

the term "fall behind" is a social construct. This idea of where a person should be is not a naturally occurring thing. We know from child development psychologist Jean Piaget that all people develop differently and grow at different paces.

Yes, you fucking moron. That's what 'fall behind' means. It means you're not as smart / educated as most students are.

And so if you know 2+2=4, one way you can express your knowing is by writing it. Another way you can express your knowing is by discussing it. A third way is by creating a model that shows it. A fourth way is by illustrating it and a fifth way is by performing a play. But in too many schools, only one way is considered legitimate.

:rolleyes:

I'm sure my employer, who wants some calculations done, will be very happy with an interpretive African dance. Who the fuck needs spreadsheets? Lots of white cells - reeks of white supremacy.

In short, top fucking clown world.
 

Buba

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Wasn't something like this predicted by Heinlein (?) 50 or 60 years ago?
As the poow leedle darlings (yet who have the vote) who couldn't be arsed to study feel hurt at not having a college degree with everything which this entails, so the State of California passes ordinance that everybody gets a College Degree?
 
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What this will likely amount to in practice is more covering up actual academic performance, and will create even more of an activist-educator industry, to hand out blame whenever things don’t work.

I do agree-at some level, that being on the lower pecking order is emotionally bad for children and teachers shouldn’t go out of their way to ensure a student feels worthless.

But expectations are expectations, and they have to be met.
 

Buba

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TBH, I've only still read just two of his works. Starship Troopers & The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.
Exactly what are you referring to?
Sorry, I don't remember which of his books it might had been in. I'm not really sure it was Heinlein - yet I'm sure that I've read of such an idea and somehow I associate his name with it.
Hopefully a well read member with better memory than mine will identify the source.
:)
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
Wasn't something like this predicted by Heinlein (?) 50 or 60 years ago?

Kinda, sorta. It's part of the fictional backstory of Starship Troopers, that Western society collapsed worldwide after being taken over by self-styled intellectual elites. . . only he bizarrely insisted that the root cause of this was, in turn, the abolishment of corporal punishment.
 

Buba

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It's part of the fictional backstory of Starship Troopers, that Western society collapsed worldwide after being taken over by self-styled intellectual elites. . . only he bizarrely insisted that the root cause of this was, in turn, the abolishment of corporal punishment.
Nothing bizarre about such a view ...
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
Nothing bizarre about such a view ...

The idea that corporal punishment is the foundational key to Western civilization such that it inevitably falls into complete and absolute collapse if you use any other form of discipline is pretty bizarre.
 

ShieldWife

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If you religiously fanatically believe that 2 + 2 = 5, then it won’t just be that single equation that is wrong, soon the entire universe must conform. Subtract 2 from both sides, then 2 = 3. Subtract 2 again, 0 = 1. Multiple both sides by any number, 0 = n where n is any real number. All numbers are zero, nothing makes sense.

So the religion of equality distorts the entire way people deal with reality and this religion is followed so devoutly that any other consideration must be ignored.

So because blacks and whites don’t have equal educational outcomes, then there is no such thing as knowledge or learning, hard work is just systematic oppression. All numbers equal zero.
 

LordsFire

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The idea that corporal punishment is the foundational key to Western civilization such that it inevitably falls into complete and absolute collapse if you use any other form of discipline is pretty bizarre.

It isn't 'foundational,' but basic physical punishment as a matter of discipline is one of the first building blocks on top of the foundation.

Some children will not learn unless you actually make them experience physical pain. Careful measured use of discipline so that it doesn't cross the line into abuse is important, but discarding physical discipline altogether is ensuring that a significant percentage of every generation will grow up as self-centered entitled brats. Some will grow out of it later in life, but not all, and even those that do will cause a lot of suffering in the meantime.

It's similar to how no civilization can exist without law enforcement.
 

ShieldWife

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There are some good arguments for corporal punishment, but the problems with Western civilization and our educational systems in particular go way way beyond that and it would take far more than introducing paddling to save our current mess of an education system, which is probably too corrupt to save anyway.
 

CarlManvers2019

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It isn't 'foundational,' but basic physical punishment as a matter of discipline is one of the first building blocks on top of the foundation.

Some children will not learn unless you actually make them experience physical pain. Careful measured use of discipline so that it doesn't cross the line into abuse is important, but discarding physical discipline altogether is ensuring that a significant percentage of every generation will grow up as self-centered entitled brats. Some will grow out of it later in life, but not all, and even those that do will cause a lot of suffering in the meantime.

It's similar to how no civilization can exist without law enforcement.
There are some good arguments for corporal punishment, but the problems with Western civilization and our educational systems in particular go way way beyond that and it would take far more than introducing paddling to save our current mess of an education system, which is probably too corrupt to save anyway.

I recall that part of the problem there that aside from lacking corporal punishment, they barely did stuff like a stern talking to, even when they were younger or really did much to stop them from doing what they did to begin with
 

Cherico

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Having fathers involved in anything is problematic for the powers that be, as they pave the way for the post-patriarchal future of atomized individual economic units.


His short story Harrison Bergeron. Although Idiocracy works as well

Any system that doesn't let human beings be human is doomed to failure.

Granted they will cause a whole lot of pointless suffering, death and destruction trying to impose their stupidity on every one and sadly most of them will get away with it.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Some children will not learn unless you actually make them experience physical pain. Careful measured use of discipline so that it doesn't cross the line into abuse is important, but discarding physical discipline altogether is ensuring that a significant percentage of every generation will grow up as self-centered entitled brats. Some will grow out of it later in life, but not all, and even those that do will cause a lot of suffering in the meantime.

I agree that the bottom line of punishment is using force to cause negative feedback, but Heinlein pretty much assigns inherent moral value to corporal punishment. Even though it's only a background reference, the way he frames the history of his society pretty much argues that even when children are well-raised with adequate discipline, this is magically insufficient if corporal punishment is not just used, but heavily used as the primary method of discipline at all times.

It reminds me -- although obviously far less explicitly -- of that one group of Christian fundamentalists that literally teaches that proper Christian discipline means parents should carry short lengths of flex-hose so they can beat their children at all times, and that children should be subjected to corporal punishment for doing anything that so much as irritates their parents, because this is lovingly teaching them proper respect and obedience.
 

Bear Ribs

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There are some good arguments for corporal punishment, but the problems with Western civilization and our educational systems in particular go way way beyond that and it would take far more than introducing paddling to save our current mess of an education system, which is probably too corrupt to save anyway.
It's been a couple of decades since I read the book but as I recall it wasn't specifically paddling but a loss of discipline in general, with with corporal punishment being the queen of the set. Another major one in the story is traditional schools, which didn't teach useful life skills but rather feel-good pap and rote-learning and a tendency of the schools to constantly bloat and expand themselves to get more funding and add more things to coddle student's feelings. Rico notably comes out of public school having been what appears to be an average student and is completely useless, he tests out of something like 27 military jobs before getting into the Mobile Infantry (He was close to getting a K-9 MI slot but failed the recruiters character test for how much he loved dogs). This is contrasted with the MI's "On the Spot" training where Rico shines and picks up skills rapidly because they're not worried about his feelings but bout making sure he knows how to do the job right and showing him the practical aspects. Rico gets physical discipline only one time (a simulated nuclear launch drill where he would have nuked his own team due to negligence) but otherwise learns mainly from being kept "on the bounce" and given on the spot training rather than being whipped regular.

Physical discipline is also contrasted with the prison system, where a person who performed a minor criminal act can be flogged, hopefully learn their lesson from the pain, and be back in the workforce in a couple of days rather than spend five years being housed by the state at ruinous expense. Capital punishment is extolled in cases where the criminal is a clear danger to society such as the MI member who murders a baby girl in the book and is hung for it.

Heinlein tended to think a lot about how governments and societies could work. His politics in-universe ranged from ultra-liberal (Stranger in a Strange Land) to arch-conservative (Starship Troopers) to downright weird (All you Zombies is... um...). It's always funny to see somebody trying to explain that Heinlein was really politically X (and thus you shouldn't pay attention to his writing of course) because it pretty much guarantees they haven't actually read his work and they're going to crash and burn amusingly once you start going Socrates on them.
 

ShadowArxxy

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I think we should have corporal punishment. It make consequences mean something

You can impose meaningful consequences on children without resorting to corporal punishment, so I'd argue that the idea that no corporal punishment equals no discipline at all is a complete strawman.

I generally oppose corporal punishment not because I think children are "entitled" to act as they please, but because developmental psychology studies consistently show that corporal punishment causes increased aggression, antisocial behavior, and long term mental health issues. I think it should be *at most* a last resort for the most severe situations, and certainly never applied by anyone other than parents.
 

Bear Ribs

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I generally oppose corporal punishment not because I think children are "entitled" to act as they please, but because developmental psychology studies consistently show that corporal punishment causes increased aggression, antisocial behavior, and long term mental health issues.
This is incorrect. A large number of studies show the exact opposite, it's just surprisingly hard to find them.

Baumrind did a study and 10 year followup in which she divided parents into three styles: Authoritarian, Permissive, and Authoritative parents. The 10 year followup revealed that Authoritative parents, who combined positive feedback with corporal punishment, had better life outcomes for children than either permission parents or authoritarian ones indicating that a mix is best.

Guarendi's study is a reverse of the usual, rather than spend decades waiting for children to grow up and see what resulted, he investigated already highly successful "outstanding" people to see what kind of discipline they had as children. 70% of the outstanding group were regularly spanked.

Roberts did a short-term study that found that when used in conjunction with encouragement, spanking was more effective than time-outs.

Lazalere and Kuhn's Meta-analysis of 25 years revealed that conditional spanking had better life outcomes than 10 of 13 other discipline options... and the remaining 3 were no better and no worse than spanking.

A lot of the anti-corporal punishment studies are based on extremely flawed and skewed use of data, as shown in the Roberts link. Gershoff, f'rex, lumped in "a single swat on the buttocks to a 5 year old" with "A teenager getting beaten to unconsciousness by their drunken father." The authors essentially started from the position that spanking is child abuse and so had no problem lumping child abuse in with it to get the results they wanted. Sifting actual abusive behavior out from corrective spanking shows that the spanking, used in moderation and combined with positive feedback, has a better outcome than removing corporal punishment entirely. Beating the hell out of a teenager in a drunken rage obviously does not.
 

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