Alternate History Map Thread
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VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Why did you post a map of asia? this is suppose to be an alternative map thread.
Stormaktstiden
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It is alternate history, Bulgaria and Romania switched places!
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
No, now that I think about it, greece has been renamed Gregge
Stormaktstiden
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The Neusiedlersee is also now the Neusiedler sea! I'm taking that as Hungary kept Croatia!
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
This was a proposed Greater Greece Map at the Congress of Berlin showcasing Greece's territorial claims prior to the Treaty of Berlin. Honestly had Greece better managed its independence and not barely avoiding total collapse due to infighting and political incompetence (they had a civil war in the middle of their war for independence against the Ottomans), they probably could have gained a lot more territory.
Had the Phanariotes been more successful, they could have provoked a Russo-Ottoman War over the issue of the Danubian Principalities, and this could have boosted Greece's standing at the peace table with Russia now intervening on their side. Greece which has much more territory and is thus less poorer will have a much better head start on all its neighbors in the Balkans and probably could claim much more land in the fight against the Ottomans in future wars. Even in otl they had some basis for claiming these territories in Eastern Rumelia due to the large greek population (majority if not a large plurality) in places like Philippopolis (Plovdiv) and other urban centers. There's also the culture influence Greece would have thanks to the Patriarchate of Constantinople over the old Rumelia Eyalet in the balkans.
I'm actually thinking of exploring something like this in my alternate history timeline: Imperator Francorum
Stormaktstiden
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This was a proposed Greater Greece Map at the Congress of Berlin showcasing Greece's territorial claims prior to the Treaty of Berlin. Honestly had Greece better managed its independence and not barely avoiding total collapse due to infighting and political incompetence (they had a civil war in the middle of their war for independence against the Ottomans), they probably could have gained a lot more territory.
It looks like the Bulgarians and Serbians got screwed over pretty badly, although Albania got Kosovo, and southern Serbia, did Austria and Albania partition Serbia between themselves?
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
Its more of an ethnographic map showing potential theoretical claims. The red dashed line pattern for example indicates the various Turkish settlements presents in the Balkans.
I don't think Albania would ever be that powerful considering that Serbia existed as a semi-independent tributary state from 1817. Though Albania on the other hand was a pretty loyal Ottoman province which only really declared independence once it became clear that the Ottomans were poised to firmly lose control over the Balkans.
Not only Bulgaria and Romania!
Here are the fixed links for these maps:
The Republic Of Intermarium - Pilsudski's Dream by OrbisRyu on DeviantArt
www.deviantart.com
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
A map of the Roman world during the Anarchy of the 13th Century. This is basically an updated version of the maps I'm using for my Second Komnenian Restoration Timeline: The House of Komnenos - Like a Phoenix From the Ashes. The map here is more detailed, than the other maps I've posted, thanks to the research I've done during the hiatus period of this tl that I was forced to go on due to irl circumstances. I've added some other post-Roman successor states and corrected some of the errors I made on the old map.
Some of the corrections include Trebizond, which whose borders weren't exactly the most accurate. Another correction I added was in the Aegean islands where I drew added in the Duchy of the Archipelago. I also added the areas in Morea that historically were in control of Leo Sgouros who led a resistance against the Crusaders from within his stronghold: the Acrocorinth.
As for the Venice's holdings, I added in Gallipoli which the Venetians did briefly hold, until it was later reconquered by the Empire of Nicaea in otl. I also added illustrated the situation in Crete which the venetians despite being purchasing it from Boniface of Montferrat, only partially controlled as the Eastern and Central portions of the island were held by the Genoese. Venetian Crete was also which was ruled as the Kingdom of Candia was quite unstable as it faced numerous Roman revolts. I also removed Negroponte (Euboea) from Venetian control as this region during the Early 13th Century was actually under the control of Boniface of Montferrat. Bonficace divided the land here among three barons who were sworn to him as their feudal lord. Its for this reason that Negroponte would be referred to as the Triarchy of Negroponte.
I added in the lordship of Rhodes and the Cyclades as that was an other 13th Century Roman splinter state which emerged after the fall of the Constantinople in 1204. It was ruled by Leo Gabras and nominally swore fealty to the Nicaean Emperors, though it for all intents and purposes was an independent polity with its ruler Leo Gabras adopting the title of Caesar for himself.
Another addition I made was the County Palatine of Cephalonia and Zakynthos. This polity was technically given to the Venetians but they weren't able to really assert control over it until much later. Its ruler after the Fourth Crusade instead, recognized Pope Innocent III as his overlord to legitimize his ruler.
History Learner
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This was a proposed Greater Greece Map at the Congress of Berlin showcasing Greece's territorial claims prior to the Treaty of Berlin. Honestly had Greece better managed its independence and not barely avoiding total collapse due to infighting and political incompetence (they had a civil war in the middle of their war for independence against the Ottomans), they probably could have gained a lot more territory.
Had the Phanariotes been more successful, they could have provoked a Russo-Ottoman War over the issue of the Danubian Principalities, and this could have boosted Greece's standing at the peace table with Russia now intervening on their side. Greece which has much more territory and is thus less poorer will have a much better head start on all its neighbors in the Balkans and probably could claim much more land in the fight against the Ottomans in future wars. Even in otl they had some basis for claiming these territories in Eastern Rumelia due to the large greek population (majority if not a large plurality) in places like Philippopolis (Plovdiv) and other urban centers. There's also the culture influence Greece would have thanks to the Patriarchate of Constantinople over the old Rumelia Eyalet in the balkans.
I'm actually thinking of exploring something like this in my alternate history timeline: Imperator Francorum
Please, tell me more? This is something I've always wanted to incorporate into one of my own timelines. One thing I remember is that the Bulgarian national revival came in the late 1870s, and before there more emphasis on Byzantine history and connections due to the Greek influence in the Orthodox Church.
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
Yeah I plan on incorporating this into some of my own tl as well. Greece with these sorts of borders would definitely be the hegemon of the Balkans, and would probably be capable enough to gain the Anatolian coastline on the Eastern side of the Hellispont.
As for Constantinople, I'd say that there would probably be an international zone, mediated by the other Great Powers which would eventually probably fall into Greek influence and then annexation later down the line.
Well yes and no. As @WolfBear said the real Bulgarian revival started in the late 18th century. Though during that era the Bulgarian language almost went extinct, with it largely being preserved thanks to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church.
Yeah this part is true thanks to the Rumelia Eyalet being under the influence of the Patriarchate of Constantinople.
History Learner
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Do you think it was possible for all or most of Bulgaria to be absorbed into Greece and assimilated?
What was going to replace it?