VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Nah, China and North Korea make up the bulk of Asian Human Trafficking.I would presume that American Xing would supply a lot of cute Asian waifus to the rest of the US, right?
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I meant a legal supply of cute Asian waifus to the rest of the US.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
maybe? I presume that there will be a decent pop swap over the years. I originally was going with a lower 7 for white americans, but I forgot that alot of us tend to lust for asian women, and bumped it up.
Lower 7?
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
22>7
What's the 22 reference for?
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
It's a number, on the graph of population. I am referencing how 22 is greater; I.E larger than the number seven.
Depends on the circumstances. Such factors were more important in 1914 to most powers, when faced with the tensions between the two alliances than in 1938 when the two western democracies, still deeply traumatized by WWI and thinking - or at least hoping - that Hitler might actually mean it when he said it would be his last demand. After all if he had then Chamberlain might have gone down as a great PM. We know in hindsight Hitler was never going to keep his word but it was still unclear at the time,
Not sure about if a surviving Kennedy had deserted S Vietnam in say 1965. It did hurt the US's diplomatic position and also their own self estime when Nixon did it in the early 70's.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Map of Europe 1914 of the Central Powers vs Entente after British and French relations sour following the Fashoda Incident
What about if Russia will seek to restore its glory in some other way in due time, such as through a rematch with Japan in the Far East? Let's face it, Russia can be a winner by accepting an unlimited number of Serbian refugees who are not terrorists, similar to how the US has accepted a huge number of Afghan refugees over the last year, while also seeking to recover its glory by aiming to expand in the Far East and securing Inner Manchuria, Mongolia, and Xinjiang for itself while letting Japan keep Korea, of course. Are these Far Eastern territories really worth less than Serbia itself is worth? Hell, all of Serbia can relocate to Russia, in which case Austria-Hungary will be left with nothing other than an empty husk/shell of a state.
Map of Europe 1914 of the Central Powers vs Entente after British and French relations sour following the Fashoda Incident
In such a TL, both Italy and Romania might not break their alliances with the CPs. After all, the CPs' odds of victory in this TL are much higher and thus they would want to be on the winning side here. Also, why exactly does the Ottoman Empire decide to ally with Russia here rather than with the Anglo-Germans?
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
I wouldn't say that, Italy stands to gain more if it goes against the CP, and that in of itself is not a guarantee, as there is more land to account for in this war, it's likely to be more 'World' in this war as Africa will be a larger front. Also, note this is a map of the pre-war, there will likely be new nations that join (I.E. Denmark and Sweden, who I think might be able to be persuaded). If this war was to happen, Europe as it stands would be vastly depopulated, as will Africa, especially in Africa, as I wouldn't put it against either side to massacre a shit ton of villages (especially the French).
This war would last at least until 1921, if not lasting longer.
Depends on whether the Anglo-Germans can get the US to enter this war on their side.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
IDK, it's still kinda iffy, I'm sure many americans at the time would jump at the chance of annexing the north american british holdings.
WB
I think its less a question of glory than prestige and the feeling, especially after Austria's behaviour with Bosnia in 1908 and Bulgaria being alienated after the Balkan wars that Serbia was their last ally in the region and they couldn't really suffer the loss of face in deserting them when the hostile CP alliance sought to destroy the nation.
In terms of turning back to expansion in the Far East I think it would be a matter of timing. By the time that Russia has recovered from the 1905 revolution and started to rebuild its military it had signed the entente with Britain, Japan's primary ally. As such turning eastwards after that would mean further tension with Britain and would also upset France. Furthermore IIRC - although could be wrong - part of the Russian rail supply to Vladivostok in 1904 was via a railway in N Manchuria which of course is now under Japanese control so it would be some time before they completed a totally Russian controlled railway eastwards to enable maintaining a strong military there for a probably somewhat longer campaign. Furthermore with both their Pacific and Baltic fleets destroyed there's no way in the foreseeable future they could oppose the IJN in the region so it will be able to supply its forces on the mainland and at least threaten landings and coastal bombardments.
The other problem of course is Germany. Its known by this time that the German war plan is an attack into France via Belgium, albeit the full details of the course and size of the offensive is unclear. As such France is depending on major Russian relief via counter attacks into Germany and A-H. Russia can't afford to have too much of its army tied up deep in the Far East, let alone in a shooting war there or risk losing its only substantial ally. Or possibly if Germany, seeing large Russian forces far, far away from the borders decides to change its plans and strike east itself. Any success in Manchuria wouldn't match the loss of the Russian Polish provinces and neighbouring regions, let alone the huge losses the Russian army would be likely to suffer.
Steve
Map of Europe 1914 of the Central Powers vs Entente after British and French relations sour following the Fashoda Incident
I would agree with WolfBear's comments about the Ottomans, Italy and Romania especially. Its highly unlikely that the Ottomans would ally with Russia against Britain [their traditional protectors against the Russians] or Germany which was the only other realistic ally. Italy going to war with Britain leaves its coastline and overseas trade very vulnerable given that the central powers are going to have naval superiority. [Especially if the Anglo-Japanese alliance is in place and the Russians have lost their war with the latter in 1904-05]. Romania wants Transylvania but it also wants Bessarabia and it has a Hohenzollern monarch. Plus if Bulgaria is still alienated from Russia here [and Greece is friendly with Bulgaria rather than Serbia both Serbia and Romania are distinctly exposed.
There are also some questions about the map. Such as Britain's possessions in Aden and the Gulf are missing and the Ottomans didn't have full control of central Arabia let alone Oman. Also Britain wouldn't have full control of Iran in this scenario. Plus with a 1898 POD as proposed then I wonder if France would have control of the bulk of Morocco. If Britain and Germany are friendly and Britain and France are at odds then the First Moroccan Crisis is likely to end differently as Britain is likely to support Germany rather than France - both on principle and to prevent an hostile power being established so close to Gibraltar and British access to the Med. In fact that could be a trigger for an earlier war ~ 1905-06 which the CPs are likely to win fairly quickly - although this might depend on German plans. Thinking here especially of a) lack of a Haber process and b) the gravely weakened state of Russia after the defeat by Japan. - Also just noticed you seem to have Belgium on the CP side rather than neutral, which seems highly unlikely to me.
If somehow those borders - or something close to them - came into existence and then a war started in 1914 I would expect a CP victory and probably by 1917-18 unless them make some serious mistakes and possibly get a US dow against them - which is unlikely however. Even if Germany has a east 1st strategy - which would save France a lot of economic losses but would keep Belgium neutral France is likely to be isolated by CP naval domination while Germany is freely able to trade with both Britain and the rest of the wider world. Russia has massive forces but their poor quality and have problems going anywhere other than the eastern front. Serbia, with an hostile Bulgaria and Greece is dead meat very shortly and then those powers are a major threat to the Ottomans, especially once Romania is under CP control. I don't think France had any Haber capacity at the time - Germany was only just developing it - so its going to have even greater problems with cordite production.
France could do a Germany and develop a USW policy but Britain is going to have more capacity to deploy
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If this will cause the US to enter the war on the CP side, then we'll go back to my previous Germanic Supremacy meme here!
A map of Europe on January 1, 1921 in a TL where there is no Bolshevik coup in Russia in 1917 and where Germany decides to fight on in 1919 and subsequently gets crushed and partitioned by the victorious Allies:
Feeble Constitution - A Red-and-Green Russia 1917 Timeline
Greece, under the leadership of Venizelos, on the other hand, is very much disposed to commit these resources. Venizelos has two very good years in 1919 and 1920, with much less Greek refugees to accommodate and much more EFP help in doing so, with his army encountering much less resistance in...
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