AHC: Catholic majority, Catholic socio-political superiority or full civic equality for duration of colonial Maryland’s history

raharris1973

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How do we achieve what is on the tin?

Maryland was founded by the Calverts as a refuge for English Catholics and this was reflected in early settlers and place-naming from the the 1600s. But no later than 1700, even though the Calverts remained lord proprietor, Protestants (Many puritan migrants either direct from England or New England or people who followed Methodism or others who followed CoE) collectively made up the majority of the white population, had gained a superior control over colonial political institutions and had relegated the Catholic Church and Catholics to a second-class civic status.

Catholicism did not disappear in the colony, Some remained. A few were very wealthy, like John Carroll, a founding father.

But how could we forestall the trend toward that turned the the haven for Catholic owned by a Catholic proprietor into a place of Catholic numerical and political inferiority?

The easiest suggestion would seem to be increasing Catholic numbers/ share of population. Given the population of Britain to the colonies in 1700 was in the ballpark of 6 million to under a million, I would think adequate numbers of English and Scottish Catholics shouldn’t have been had to find, and that’s even before you take Ireland into account, which should open up an en bigger pool.

What was the class and occupational distribution of English and Scottish and Welsh Catholics in the 1600s between the upper classes, middle classes, and poor? Was it for some reason more poorly suited for trans-Atlantic migration than Protestant dissenters or CoE populations because of its class or occupational profile? Did Crown or Parliament or Admiralty actively impede Catholic migration through policy? Did the Catholic Church discourage it?
 
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WolfBear

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Maybe you could get a good number of German Catholics to move to Maryland? A more decisive Protestant victory in the Thirty Years' War has a chance of accomplishing this, at least if German Catholics will actually be given enough incentives to relocate all of the way to Maryland. Maryland Colony was apparently founded in 1632, so it already existed back then.
 

raharris1973

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Maybe you could get a good number of German Catholics to move to Maryland? A more decisive Protestant victory in the Thirty Years' War has a chance of accomplishing this, at least if German Catholics will actually be given enough incentives to relocate all of the way to Maryland. Maryland Colony was apparently founded in 1632, so it already existed back then.

I don't know what ties or logistical or trade links they would have had with England though.
 

WolfBear

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I don't know what ties or logistical or trade links they would have had with England though.

England can still make it clear that it is offering free land to anyone who wants to move to Maryland. That should get the attention of at least some of them if this message will be widely broadcast throughout Germany.
 

raharris1973

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England can still make it clear that it is offering free land to anyone who wants to move to Maryland. That should get the attention of at least some of them if this message will be widely broadcast throughout Germany.

If not England, the Calverts could advertise, and if Westphalia shook any area in the north out of Catholic control out of the regio religio principle [a lot of Catholic-Protestant sorting happened in 1500s wars and the peace of Augsburg], the displaced may be up for it. Other Catholics besides the obvious English, Scots, and Irish could be Flemings, Walloons, Catholic Dutch, and maybe some Poles or Bohemians. There were small numbers of Bohemian and Polish craftspeople even in the Jamestown colony. Early Virginia even had a few Armenians!
 

WolfBear

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If not England, the Calverts could advertise, and if Westphalia shook any area in the north out of Catholic control out of the regio religio principle [a lot of Catholic-Protestant sorting happened in 1500s wars and the peace of Augsburg], the displaced may be up for it. Other Catholics besides the obvious English, Scots, and Irish could be Flemings, Walloons, Catholic Dutch, and maybe some Poles or Bohemians. There were small numbers of Bohemian and Polish craftspeople even in the Jamestown colony. Early Virginia even had a few Armenians!

I would presume that in this TL, we'll see funny jokes like "Go Czech out Jamestown's Bohemian Quarter lol!" :D ;)
 

ATP

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If not England, the Calverts could advertise, and if Westphalia shook any area in the north out of Catholic control out of the regio religio principle [a lot of Catholic-Protestant sorting happened in 1500s wars and the peace of Augsburg], the displaced may be up for it. Other Catholics besides the obvious English, Scots, and Irish could be Flemings, Walloons, Catholic Dutch, and maybe some Poles or Bohemians. There were small numbers of Bohemian and Polish craftspeople even in the Jamestown colony. Early Virginia even had a few Armenians!
Poles even made first strike in America in Jamestown to get full rights!/and get them!/

So,if you only get more catholics,Maryland would remain in catholics lands - after 1660 many poles could want go there.Poles was in times of trouble,and do not look line safe place to live.

So,except normal settlers,catholics would get polish calvary,too/not winged hussarls - but pancerni,wołosi and tatarzy would be enough/
Then,in 1688 protestant would try take over,get kicked - and we could have either independent catholic state,or one allied with France.
And,catholics side in America with polish style medium and light calvary would be tougher opponent then in OTL.
Of course,if England agree leave Maryland to catholics,those calvary would fight for England.
 

WolfBear

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Poles even made first strike in America in Jamestown to get full rights!/and get them!/

So,if you only get more catholics,Maryland would remain in catholics lands - after 1660 many poles could want go there.Poles was in times of trouble,and do not look line safe place to live.

So,except normal settlers,catholics would get polish calvary,too/not winged hussarls - but pancerni,wołosi and tatarzy would be enough/
Then,in 1688 protestant would try take over,get kicked - and we could have either independent catholic state,or one allied with France.
And,catholics side in America with polish style medium and light calvary would be tougher opponent then in OTL.
Of course,if England agree leave Maryland to catholics,those calvary would fight for England.

Why can't a Catholic Maryland remain an English colony? Catholic Quebec managed to do it, after all.
 

ATP

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Why can't a Catholic Maryland remain an English colony? Catholic Quebec managed to do it, after all.

Of course,that it could remain british colony.Depend on how new England Kings would act after 1688.If they let catholics rule there,they would not join french.

P.S and if they take polish gentry catholics,they would get polish medium and light calvary! combined with dragoons acting as mounted calvary.
 

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