"A Product of an Overwhelmingly White, Straight European and Male Cadre"

[The Name of Love]

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Yale Plans to Ditch an Art-History Class Because It’s Too Straight, White, and Male | National Review

This is nothing more than a close-minded, limiting outlook parading as the opposite.

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Yale University is set to cancel a popular introductory art history class after this spring’s session, citing department concerns that its focus was too Western, straight, white, and male.

According to an article in the Yale Daily News, “Introduction to Art History: Renaissance to the Present” was once “touted to be one of Yale College’s quintessential classes.” Now, the college is canceling it over what it calls “student uneasiness over an idealized Western ‘canon’ — a product of an overwhelmingly white, straight European and male cadre of artists.”

(Note: The claim that there had been “student uneasiness” about the class is not further detailed anywhere else in the article, nor could I find any other material regarding it. The article does, however, report that demand for the course “skyrocketed” in its final semester — with 400 students vying for one of its only 300 seats. Although I can’t be sure, this leads me to suspect that, if there had been any complaints, it seems more likely that “uneasiness” represented the views of a small group of students rather than a campus-wide, or even majority, attitude.)

Tim Berringer, the chair of the art-history department and the course’s instructor, explained the decision to discontinue the course this way:

“I want all Yale students (and all residents of New Haven who can enter our museums freely) to have access to and to feel confident analyzing and enjoying the core works of the western tradition,” he wrote in an email to the Daily News. “But I don’t mistake a history of European painting for the history of all art in all places.”

Unlike previous versions of the course, the Daily News explains, its final installation “will seek to question the idea of Western art itself.” According to the syllabus, it will also examine art as related to “questions of gender class and ‘race’” as well as Western capitalism. Its relationship to climate change will also be a “key theme.”

Instead of one single survey class, the art-history department reportedly plans to offer various others, including “Art and Politics,” “The Silk Road,” and “Global Craft,” and plans to offer a replacement “Introduction to Art History” class within a few years. The new class, however, as Barringer puts it, “will be a course equal in status to the other 100-level courses, not the introduction to our discipline claiming to be the mainstream with everything else pushed to the margins.”

This follows the trend of Humanities Courses being cancelled at another college for similar reasons.

At this rate, I think the far right is going to lay claim to all of the classics of the Western Canon. Yay?

 

[Cherico]

And once again why would you want to pay millions of dollars to send your child there?

 

[The Name of Love]

And once again why would you want to pay millions of dollars to send your child there?

Because of the institution's prestige.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I mean, if that is the complaint then they should find African, Asian and female artists of equal caliber and teach them.

Or does everyone think they will still complain?

 

[Cherico]

I mean, if that is the complaint then they should find African, Asian and female artists of equal caliber and teach them.

Or does everyone think they will still complain?

Finding Asian artists of equal caliber is easy, east asia has thousands of years of history, has written documents going back centuries. India like wise has the documentation that you can spend a life time working through. The current middle east is a disaster but there were times where they produced really great art and philosphy. Expecially Persia.

With africa the problem is that a lot of their stuff is based on oral tradition and a lot of stuff doesnt get written down so stuff just gets lost. I mean there are exceptions egypt, Ethiopia, some other countries but a lot of what was probally truely great didn't get written down and just got lost because of that.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Finding Asian artists of equal caliber is easy, east asia has thousands of years of history, has written documents going back centuries. India like wise has the documentation that you can spend a life time working through. The current middle east is a disaster but there were times where they produced really great art and philosphy. Expecially Persia.

With africa the problem is that a lot of their stuff is based on oral tradition and a lot of stuff doesnt get written down so stuff just gets lost. I mean there are exceptions egypt, Ethiopia, some other countries but a lot of what was probally truely great didn't get written down and just got lost because of that.

Like yeah if they wanted to an east Asian cultural class-and talk about Japanese and Chinese literature and stuff I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But I doubt the people who do this kind of stuff are interested so much in teaching/getting exposure to other cultures as they are in tearing down western civilization.

Well I don't doubt it, I know it.

Egypt sure, Ethiopia yeah.

Most of sub saharan Africa though doesn't have much in the way of written language. Art yes, and oral traditions and mythology, but not books.

 

[The Name of Love]

To the above, I only quote Saul Bellows: "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus? The Proust of the Papuans? I'd be glad to read them."

Some peoples simply do not produce works of art or philosophical rigor of the quality reached by Europeans. Them's the breaks.

I mean, just look at this nonsense.

“Objectivity, as found through rational thought, is a Western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text.”

Dr. Jordan Peterson consoles two professors who are waking up to the anti-reality dogma of the post-modernists. The redpilling is quite a sight. Video in a moment… David Haskell: “I&#82…

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Objectivity, as found through rational thought, is a Western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

To the above, I only quote Saul Bellows: "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus? The Proust of the Papuans? I'd be glad to read them."

Some peoples simply do not produce works of art or philosophical rigor of the quality reached by Europeans. Them's the breaks.

I mean, just look at this nonsense.

“Objectivity, as found through rational thought, is a Western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text.”

Dr. Jordan Peterson consoles two professors who are waking up to the anti-reality dogma of the post-modernists. The redpilling is quite a sight. Video in a moment… David Haskell: “I&#82…

nonvenipacem.com

This is just so objectively twisted, they literally think that trying not to be subjective and being unbiased if somehow biased or something, lol what? If they are claiming that this is a Western and Masculine concept, aren't they accidentally saying that the West and Men are then objectively better? Since, it takes maturity as a civilization and as a person to be objective... So wait aren't they also calling women and non-Westerners children?

Hmm, how regressive. I therefore must object to their arguments.

 

[The Name of Love]

This is just so objectively twisted, they literally think that trying not to be subjective and being unbiased if somehow biased or something, lol what? If they are claiming that this is a Western and Masculine concept, aren't they accidentally saying that the West and Men are then objectively better? Since, it takes maturity as a civilization and as a person to be objective... So wait aren't they also calling women and non-Westerners children?

Hmm, how regressive. I therefore must object to their arguments.

Well, Jordan Peterson implies that they're postmodernists trying to destroy the idea of "objectivity" altogether.

My theory? I believe that the ethnic activists/third-worldists have been, for years, trying to argue against the "white supremacist" claim that non-Europeans have naturally inferior intellects by pointing to their intellectual accomplishments. The problem is that, when you actually look at the history of the accomplishments, you find that the emperor has no clothes. So they resort to what they always do when they are embarrassed: shout "RACIST!" and try to shut it down.

 

[Cherico]

To the above, I only quote Saul Bellows: "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus? The Proust of the Papuans? I'd be glad to read them."

Some peoples simply do not produce works of art or philosophical rigor of the quality reached by Europeans. Them's the breaks.

I mean, just look at this nonsense.

“Objectivity, as found through rational thought, is a Western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text.”

Dr. Jordan Peterson consoles two professors who are waking up to the anti-reality dogma of the post-modernists. The redpilling is quite a sight. Video in a moment… David Haskell: “I&#82…

nonvenipacem.com

That wasn't an insult, wha Saul Bellows meant was.

If you find some one as good as those guys I will gladly read them. He wasn't insulting the Zulu's or the Papauns he was asking to read the works of their greats.

 

[The Name of Love]

That wasn't an insult, wha Saul Bellows meant was.

If you find some one as good as those guys I will gladly read them. He wasn't insulting the Zulu's or the Papauns he was asking to read the works of their greats.

I don't think it was an insult to the Zulus or the Papauns either. But I don't think it was sincerely asking to read their greats either. I think he was insulting the very idea of multiculturalism by pointing out that not all cultures are equal.

 

[Deleted member]

Part of it is that your appreciation of cultural works and their aesthetic virtues is inherently grounded in your culture. A Westerner will never be able to appreciate the Rabinal Achí as much as Tolstoy, but nor should a Mayan be expected to think the western canon superiour to the Dance of the Trumpet.

 

[Deleted member 88]

So does that mean SJWs are basically deculturated?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I don't think it was an insult to the Zulus or the Papauns either. But I don't think it was sincerely asking to read their greats either. I think he was insulting the very idea of multiculturalism by pointing out that not all cultures are equal.

Doesn’t mean that all cultures can’t eventually produce their own works

Try basing stuff off your distant pasts, all those tribal carvings are pretty beautiful and can be used in new ways combined with modern works

Even if your past wasn’t much or is long forgotten, doesn’t mean you can’y build a new future in-regards to aesthetics and history and art

 

[CarlManvers2019]

So does that mean SJWs are basically deculturated?

To begin with, I don’t think most even enjoy modern culture and entertainment, they’re mostly around for getting likes on twitter for associating themselves with things like “nerd culture” and trying to appear all “intellectual” by being extremely critical and demeaning towards it while saying that they enjoyed the stuff BUUUUUTTT

HP Lovecraft was a White Supremacist!!!!

And this comic art is sexist to women

And there aren’t enough POC’s or LGBT around amongst the protagonists!!! This stuff isn’t trying to be deep, it’s maker is Right Wing and is a gun nut!!! And so on

Point is SJWs look to mostly be in a way Outsiders to Culture and are made up of guys from said Culture who hate themselves and want to suck up to said Outsiders and appear virtuous or NEW

I doubt many even know much regarding non-european mythologies or even european mythologies themselves

Best or most known people responsible for literature being White is not the result of people being bigoted, it’s mostly them being the best by their own merits and being within most recorded memory

 

[Deleted member 88]

Well, Jordan Peterson implies that they're postmodernists trying to destroy the idea of "objectivity" altogether.

My theory? I believe that the ethnic activists/third-worldists have been, for years, trying to argue against the "white supremacist" claim that non-Europeans have naturally inferior intellects by pointing to their intellectual accomplishments. The problem is that, when you actually look at the history of the accomplishments, you find that the emperor has no clothes. So they resort to what they always do when they are embarrassed: shout "RACIST!" and try to shut it down.

Exactly! I have long contemplated much the same.

Do Africans have a Plato or a Tolstoy? Do Aborigines have an Einstein or a Wright?

I think at some level there is a sense of envy and an inferiority complex as well, especially with the "Black Egypt" nonsense, they know deep down their ancestral cultures don't have the sort of accomplishments European cultures do, but to admit that fact would mean that their cultures are inferior, at least as far outstanding cultural production is concerned(but most definitely in other ways as well). And to do that would defeat their whole political raison de'etre.

Amongst white liberals and SJWs who believe similar sorts of BS-I think its guilt. They feel guilty their civilization is so much more culturally blessed, advanced and prodigious(technologically and politically as well). So seeing western works and what not makes them feel guilty and bad, they feel that these works perpetuate injustice and unfairness because one culture has them and a claim to them, and others do not.

 

[Deleted member]

So does that mean SJWs are basically deculturated?

Yes. Bongos, as I prefer to call them for a few admittedly long-winded reasons (but if you think about it, it really fits, and I detest acronyms in regular speech, it sounds too much like work for me), are most assuredly deracinated, uprooted from their local environment, culture, and society.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Yes. Bongos, as I prefer to call them for a few admittedly long-winded reasons (but if you think about it, it really fits, and I detest acronyms in regular speech, it sounds too much like work for me), are most assuredly deracinated, uprooted from their local environment, culture, and society.

By their own choice though, so not much pity there

 

[Deleted member 88]

I don't actually like the epithet "SJWS" either to be honest. Its used too liberally(even when used accurately) and isn't necessarily accurate as to what the people with the designation want or believe. Also the internet's endless culture wars and twitter battles have made me recoil from slinging around these sorts of insults, even if I agree with the people slinging them.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't actually like the epithet "SJWS" either to be honest. Its used too liberally(even when used accurately) and isn't necessarily accurate as to what the people with the designation want or believe. Also the internet's endless culture wars and twitter battles have made me recoil from slinging around these sorts of insults, even if I agree with the people slinging them.

Bongo is such a nice term for it because it is short, pithy, and expresses a sort of wild disorder, which is really at the heart of their beliefs. They are grinning idiots who reverse all that is good about the world into what is evil to them, and promote what is sick and perverse and ugly as what is beautiful to them. That is the chaos of a disorderly, banging drum without a rhythm, the insensibility of a soul unchained from beauty. A person making themselves a fool while being very serious. Bongo.

To use a WH40K explanation of the Aristasian critique of Bongos, it's highly focused on their aspect as Nurgle cultists, whereas most other conservatives are focused on critiquing their aspect as Slaanesh cultists. But Bongos very much manage to be both, so both critiques are applicable.