A perfect example of why the electric chair is needed for some. (Arguments concerning criminal executions and methods)

[ParadiseLost]

The problem with private prisons is, because they are making profit from the government on a per-prisoner basis and profit from prisoners on a per-prisoner basis, there is absolutely incentive for them to maximize the number of people in prison.

This is self evidently a terrible idea. It's literally a business model where the win condition necessitates wasting the maximum possible amount of public resources.

 

[Bear Ribs]

But if its A) publicly owned B) only for people who have been convicted by their peers of a very violent crime and C) the "profit" goes to the prison (with excess even going into education or as a Georgist style dividend) I don't think we'd have this problem. Especially since this is a one time thing, repeat violent offenders don't exist here.

A) Publically owned entities are just as, if not more, corrupt than privately owned ones. While it might be a close thing, I might actually trust Apple more than I would the ATF.

B) There's a million and seventy ways for a corrupt judge, system, and lawyers to lead the jury by the nose. Just off the top of my head it's pretty well known that both will actively select for jury members who don't understand the legal system even today, if you want to get out of Jury Duty just let the lawyers or judge know you're aware of what Jury Nullification is.

C) The fact that the prison keeps the profit just means the prison has money to bribe judges to give more and longer sentences for more profit now. If it's a Georgist style dividend you'll have politicians running on ever-longer-prison-sentences platforms in order to give money back to their donor class... that is the prisons that sponsor them. That already happens now, scratch a politician who's "Tough on crime" and you'll find a prison in his donor list.

Private Prison Companies Use Political Influence to Increase Incarceration | Prison Legal News

 

[King Arts]

But if its A) publicly owned B) only for people who have been convicted by their peers of a very violent crime and C) the "profit" goes to the prison (with excess even going into education or as a Georgist style dividend) I don't think we'd have this problem. Especially since this is a one time thing, repeat violent offenders don't exist here.

Ear

A) Publically owned entities are just as, if not more, corrupt than privately owned ones. While it might be a close thing, I might actually trust Apple more than I would the ATF.

B) There's a million and seventy ways for a corrupt judge, system, and lawyers to lead the jury by the nose. Just off the top of my head it's pretty well known that both will actively select for jury members who don't understand the legal system even today, if you want to get out of Jury Duty just let the lawyers or judge know you're aware of what Jury Nullification is.

C) The fact that the prison keeps the profit just means the prison has money to bribe judges to give more and longer sentences for more profit now. If it's a Georgist style dividend you'll have politicians running on ever-longer-prison-sentences platforms in order to give money back to their donor class... that is the prisons that sponsor them. That already happens now, scratch a politician who's "Tough on crime" and you'll find a prison in his donor list.

Private Prison Companies Use Political Influence to Increase Incarceration | Prison Legal News

Umm I disagree the reason the ATF is untrustworthy is not because it's a powerful central law enforcement agency it's because it's entire purpose is illegitimate it is there to regulate firearms which should not be infringed. It's the Gestapo the whole point of the agency was to hunt down Jews and other enemies of the Nazis. The problem is not the secret police of Germany a Jew would be fine with Imperial Germany's version of the secret police unless they were a communist. It's that the Gestapo was made to specifically go after Jews.

 

[Stargazer]

As a general principle I think death is an appropriate punishment for extreme crimes, like taking the life of another human. The value of human life is such that if you take the life of another human, justice demands your life in return. I agree with Val that the good old firing squad is a better, more dignified method than the chair.

 

[ShieldWife]

I don’t agree about drinking, but flogging is an absolutely appropriate punishment for shoplifting. Civilization can’t exist when people can steal from each other without consequence and we’re just about there in some of these left wing big cities. Look at some of the flash mobs to witness a collapse of law and order.

The punishment for shoplifting needs to be something that criminals actually fear. Flogging would be that. Many times, modern thieves don’t even get a slap on the wrist.

A prison sentence that would actual cause fear would be, in many ways, more harmful than a flogging. Being removed from society for 6 months would cause you to lose your job, would be a huge academic setback, would expose you to hardened dangerous criminals, or even subject you to victimization by the other inmates. Flogging is at once scary and actually potentially less cruel and unusual than time in prison.

 

[King Arts]

The near totality of death penalties levied in U.S. history have been for murder or treason; while some states did make rape a capital offense, this was relatively rare and most states de facto only imposed the death penalty if the rapist was a black male. After the Supreme Court's landmark 1972 decision restricting the death penalty, 37 out of 50 states enacted new death penalty statues but only Georgia retained the death penalty for rape. This was then struck down by SCOTUS in a 1977 ruling which held that the death penalty for rape was categorically unconstitutional on the basis of being "grossly disproportionate" punishment for this offense.

Note that this was not a liberal SCOTUS roster; 1977 was five years into the highly conservative Nixon appointee Warren Burger's stint as chief justice.

Sorry I'm responding so late. But yes I consider those Justices liberals. I also don't respect their ruling. First they banned the death penalty for rape of an adult in Coker. Then in Kennedy they banned it for those who rape children. Here is the case:

Kennedy v. Louisiana - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The "man" raped an 8 year old girl so badly that her vagina and anus were torn and she became infertile. If impalement is not a poetic and Just crime for this then I don't know what is.
I think that rape like this is worthy of impalement, and if the constitution really says that impalement is cruel and unusual in this case then fuck the constitution.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Sorry I'm responding so late. But yes I consider those Justices liberals. I also don't respect their ruling. First they banned the death penalty for rape of an adult in Coker. Then in Kennedy they banned it for those who rape children. Here is the case:

Kennedy v. Louisiana - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even Obama spoke out against the ruling.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Sorry I'm responding so late. But yes I consider those Justices liberals. I also don't respect their ruling. First they banned the death penalty for rape of an adult in Coker. Then in Kennedy they banned it for those who rape children. Here is the case:

Kennedy v. Louisiana - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The "man" raped an 8 year old girl so badly that her vagina and anus were torn and she became infertile. If impalement is not a poetic and Just crime for this then I don't know what is.
I think that rape like this is worthy of impalement, and if the constitution really says that impalement is cruel and unusual in this case then **** the constitution.

I don't think I feel comfortable throwing away an entire code of law over a single issue I don't agree with that could easily be solved with an amendment. or heck just make dueling legal again.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

If guillotine, firing squad, etc have too high a risk of the person surviving even for a couple seconds, why not the shotgun helmet? 9 12 gauge in different angles has the be about the quickest (and messiest) ways to go.

 

[King Arts]

Even Obama spoke out against the ruling.

I mean I wonder how much of that is just politics. As no one seems to want to change that.

I don't think I feel comfortable throwing away an entire code of law over a single issue I don't agree with that could easily be solved with an amendment. or heck just make dueling legal again.

You can still retain parts of it that you still like, for example the 1st and 2nd amendments. Liberals claim to support many parts of the constitution except the 2nd amendment for example. Why can't those on the right do the same for the 8th?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I mean I wonder how much of that is just politics. As no one seems to want to change that.


You can still retain parts of it that you still like, for example the 1st and 2nd amendments. Liberals claim to support many parts of the constitution except the 2nd amendment for example. Why can't those on the right do the same for the 8th?

First of all. The left lies all the time. you really want to take their word for it. 2nd you don't think they wouldn't love to remove the 8th? " Gas chamber for the bigoted colonizer for"hate crimes "

If you really are going to remove all sense of restraint from the powers that be at least people give the right to fight.

 

[King Arts]

First of all. The left lies all the time. you really want to take their word for it. 2nd you don't think they wouldn't love to remove the 8th? " Gas chamber for the bigoted colonizer for"hate crimes "

If you really are going to remove all sense of restraint from the powers that be at least people give the right to fight.

Umm from what I have seen the left(except for actual Stalinists with Gulags and such) actually are opposed to the government making cruel and unusual punishments they don't mind if Antifa attacks you but actual prisons for rapists and murderers are comfy look at Sweden.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Umm from what I have seen the left(except for actual Stalinists with Gulags and such) actually are opposed to the government making cruel and unusual punishments they don't mind if Antifa attacks you but actual prisons for rapists and murderers are comfy look at Sweden.

IF you have are of the right political affiliation. But people like you and I oh no we're evil.

 

[King Arts]

IF you have are of the right political affiliation. But people like you and I oh no we're evil.

Umm I would point to Breivik he is to the right, a terrorist who killed many people yet he was put in a regular comfy prison.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Umm I would point to Breivik he is to the right, a terrorist who killed many people yet he was put in a regular comfy prison.

I'm talking strictly America here dude not Sweden or Norway. And I already have made post about how the Norsemen have lost their spines.

 

[King Arts]

I'm talking strictly America here dude not Sweden or Norway. And I already have made post about how the Norsemen have lost their spines.

Oh, I just see how American leftists always idolize Sweden and the Nordic nations and treat them as perfect paradises to copy.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Oh, I just see how American leftists always idolize Sweden and the Nordic nations and treat them as perfect paradises to copy.

Leftist tend to be bipolar when it comes to Nordic Nations. They idolize them, until they don't for some reason.

 

[King Arts]

Leftist tend to be bipolar when it comes to Nordic Nations. They idolize them, until they don't for some reason.

Ahh one of the reasons I myself have a big dislike towards the Nordic nations and sometimes bitch about them here. Is for two reasons one they have liberal policies(I don't live there so it doesen't affect me so I can ignore it), but the second is that liberals here always praise the Nordics.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Ahh one of the reasons I myself have a big dislike towards the Nordic nations and sometimes bitch about them here. Is for two reasons one they have liberal policies(I don't live there so it doesen't affect me so I can ignore it), but the second is that liberals here always praise the Nordics.

They love the healthcare but they tend to change the tune when they realize they aren't as anti-white as the US Is

I miss what the Nordic countries were. Much of what made the British (and by extent America) what they were was built by the decedents of vikings.

 

[King Arts]

They love the healthcare but they tend to change the tune when they realize they aren't as anti-white as the US Is

I miss what the Nordic countries were. Much of what made the British (and by extent America) what they were was built by the decedents of vikings.

Umm I'm pretty sure the Nordics are anti white. Well I mean I guess it depends on if you count Arab's as white or not. But the Nordics are just as bad as the British with them allowing foreign rape gangs to hurt the locals.