Yinko

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'bout negative two decades. I can recall family talking about strategizing to avoid cartel kidnappings in their business trips between California and Mexico a solid fifteen years ago so it was probably going on steadily well before that.
Checks out. Five years ago I was in Mexico City for a bit and the cartels ensured that their crucifixion of some dissenters was on the front page of every paper in the city, for a bit. Blood and gore pasted in full color while I tried to but my de-la-rosa and coffee.
 

DarthOne

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The Machine needs to put out as much chaff as possible.

Edit: which isn't to say we should all ignore this or not be angry about it, just that with other recent current and ongoing events the Machine needs to distract us from, this is a sufficiently terrible happening to dangle before us all.
A Machine for Pigs.
 

Bear Ribs

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Then idk what made the recent one so brazen besides the fact it was plain as day and didn't try to make it not obvious.
It's nothing new, this one's just getting more press. Maybe because the victims were black, maybe it's being boosted as a smokescreen for some other scandal, maybe just that it's relatively rare that the victims are killed because Mexico's turned kidnapping into a fine science and dead victims don't bring in money. Check out this article from twelve years ago:


Mexico's been the kidnapping capital of the world since around 2005.
 

Sergeant Foley

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It's nothing new, this one's just getting more press. Maybe because the victims were black, maybe it's being boosted as a smokescreen for some other scandal, maybe just that it's relatively rare that the victims are killed because Mexico's turned kidnapping into a fine science and dead victims don't bring in money. Check out this article from twelve years ago:


Mexico's been the kidnapping capital of the world since around 2005.
Mexico becoming the new Venezuela very quickly.
 

Blasterbot

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Belive or not mexicos actually improving, seriously.


Mexico is now the 15th largest economy by gdp passing up their former colonial master spain. The cartels do need to be crushed well their most violent aspects but the country has a lot going for it right now.
TBF that might just be at least in part a bunch of people fleeing from Cali and the rest of the world getting fucked economically
 

Sergeant Foley

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No, no just a reference to a game.




My only issues with law enforcement revolves around their increasing militarization, being under trained, how much they are protected from their own screw ups and the fact that they are so disconnected from the communities they are supposed to be protecting that they almost worship Law/Order.

What's your home state again?
 

49ersfootball

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Checks out. Five years ago I was in Mexico City for a bit and the cartels ensured that their crucifixion of some dissenters was on the front page of every paper in the city, for a bit. Blood and gore pasted in full color while I tried to but my de-la-rosa and coffee.
Mexico has been a dumpster fire since the late 1980s.
 

Yinko

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Mexico has been a dumpster fire since the late 1980s.
Since they got rid of the old Federales (who acted as an organized crime outfit who also had badges) and thus created a massive power vacuum that was then occupied by the gangs, who evolved into the cartels.

The Federales were originally the losers of the Mexican Civil War, mixed in with some bandits, anyone the central government at the time could not control, they were pacified and wrapped into the government by making those forces into federal police and giving them semi-autonomy in their own regions. They basically immediately went full mafia, but it was a form that severely limited any other group, and they didn't need to use fear to maintain order because they also had the authority to arrest people. Then in the late 80's and early 90's there were some big scandals that showed that a crime wave in the US was being perpetrated by the Federales. The US leaned on the Mexican government to deal with it, and their solution was to decree that anyone who had ever been in the Federales could never work in law enforcement again.
 

49ersfootball

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Since they got rid of the old Federales (who acted as an organized crime outfit who also had badges) and thus created a massive power vacuum that was then occupied by the gangs, who evolved into the cartels.

The Federales were originally the losers of the Mexican Civil War, mixed in with some bandits, anyone the central government at the time could not control, they were pacified and wrapped into the government by making those forces into federal police and giving them semi-autonomy in their own regions. They basically immediately went full mafia, but it was a form that severely limited any other group, and they didn't need to use fear to maintain order because they also had the authority to arrest people. Then in the late 80's and early 90's there were some big scandals that showed that a crime wave in the US was being perpetrated by the Federales. The US leaned on the Mexican government to deal with it, and their solution was to decree that anyone who had ever been in the Federales could never work in law enforcement again.
You've got family members living in Mexico 🤔
 

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