Arch Dornan

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Because Arizona's election system is fucked up and stupid in ways that seem custom made to cause delays in counting and create questions about vote irregularities.

This article goes over it in some detail. Seriously their entire system is stupid and needs to be reformed from the ground up.
I read it was because of McCain. After he croaked Hobbs inherited the election system he set up.
 

Sergeant Foley

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Because Arizona's election system is fucked up and stupid in ways that seem custom made to cause delays in counting and create questions about vote irregularities.

This article goes over it in some detail. Seriously their entire system is stupid and needs to be reformed from the ground up.
I thought Ducey and the Republican-controlled Arizona State Legislature took care of that with the Election Integrity legislation in 2021?
 

strunkenwhite

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You don't see how subpoenas being put after the thing they're trying to investigate is a problem?
An hour before, an hour after, I don't see how that would have an impact on the certification. I was imagining that the meeting where certification happened was also being used to double check that they were actually in compliance with the subpoena, hence the moving it to before the deadline.

If there were actually shenanigans, it would make more sense to ride it out. Having the certification 30 minutes past the deadline, I just don't think it makes a difference. Nobody's going to be able to use that small a window. You just draw attention to it.
 

Vyor

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An hour before, an hour after, I don't see how that would have an impact on the certification. I was imagining that the meeting where certification happened was also being used to double check that they were actually in compliance with the subpoena, hence the moving it to before the deadline.

If there were actually shenanigans, it would make more sense to ride it out. Having the certification 30 minutes past the deadline, I just don't think it makes a difference. Nobody's going to be able to use that small a window. You just draw attention to it.

And then something comes out that shows they knew the machines were faulty and oh look they already certified oh well.
 

strunkenwhite

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And then something comes out that shows they knew the machines were faulty and oh look they already certified oh well.
But this has nothing to do with whether the meeting happened 30 minutes before the deadline vs 60 minutes after, IMO. If they are crooked, I am entirely unconvinced that the change in the meeting time is evidence of it. I'm not here arguing over whether they are crooked. I'm here arguing over whether the schedule shift is evidence of it.
 

Vyor

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But this has nothing to do with whether the meeting happened 30 minutes before the deadline vs 60 minutes after, IMO. If they are crooked, I am entirely unconvinced that the change in the meeting time is evidence of it. I'm not here arguing over whether they are crooked. I'm here arguing over whether the schedule shift is evidence of it.

It's not "meeting time" it's "certification time"
 

49ersfootball

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Depends on how early. A couple of weeks before is fine; my parents used it this year because they were out of town the week of the election. I used it the week before because I figured it would be one less thing to have to worry about. ID I’m fine with as well, though that means also reforming state level processes so people can get free non-driver IDs; that’s much less of a challenge than people make it seem sometimes, but adding that stipulation would head off legal challenges (even if certain people will still scream bloody murder…)

As for mail-in voting, as said above, there are people who genuinely need it (for example, military personnel deployed overseas); however, I do agree that the whole “Send them out even if people don’t actually request them” or “no questions asked” for mail ballots needs to be axed. It may be legal by the letter of the law, but it goes against the spirit. Especially since your right to vote also means you have a responsibility to know who and what you’re voting for beyond just party or whatever.
Speaking of Election Integrity: I've heard about the PA Dems flipping the PA House of Representatives narrowly.

Yet the PA GOP still controls the PA State Senate.
 

Airedale260

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Speaking of Election Integrity: I've heard about the PA Dems flipping the PA House of Representatives narrowly.

Yet the PA GOP still controls the PA State Senate.

Part of that is how PA structures their legislative elections: the whole House is up every two years but for the Senate it’s only half.

It’s not necessarily *that* big a challenge to overcome, though the PA GOP is a dumpster fire in terms of its leadership generally, and it doesn’t help when their nominees suck. Hopefully they remember that for 2024 and 2026.
 

49ersfootball

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Part of that is how PA structures their legislative elections: the whole House is up every two years but for the Senate it’s only half.

It’s not necessarily *that* big a challenge to overcome, though the PA GOP is a dumpster fire in terms of its leadership generally, and it doesn’t help when their nominees suck. Hopefully they remember that for 2024 and 2026.
How big is the PA House of Representatives & PA State Senate & when's the last time the PA Dems controlled both chambers of the PA General Assembly ?
 

Airedale260

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The County should issue arrest warrants for whoever issued the threats and instruct the Sheriff and deputies to arrest anyone who attempts to enforce this threat.

That tweet is about a week old; Mohave did certify it three days ago, after the county attorney explained that, yes, they can’t go making a political statement about what goes on in another county*.

The legal authority tasked with enforcing the law sending a reminder someone that a failure to carry out a constitutional and legal duty carries penalties up to and including jail time is not a criminal act. Especially since neither Mohave (nor Cochise County, which has also been in the news about this) actually had any issues with their voting.

Bonus stupid points could have be awarded because of Cochise *hadn’t* certified their results then their votes wouldn’t counted, and at least two races (including one of Arizona’s House seats) would have flipped from Republican to Democrat.
 

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