Honestly, the only way Democrats can win is if they cheat, and they know it themselves, which is why they've put so much effort into making it happen.
United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread
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Well there is another way for them to win.
Go back to the drawing board purge the crazies and the most corrupt members of their party. Take their urban strongholds and invest in making them better places to live with policies that work. Focus on basic good governance and fundamentals. Then take the improvements in these strongholds and use them as a way to rebuild the party.
Its not easy but if you want a comeback that works that's the way to do it.
Good call their bluff and insitute a whole bunch of security measures to ensure transparency and safe elections. Get rid of electronic ballots too, make it strictly paper. If their going to do it use it as an excuse to find ways to make cheating that much harder for everyone.
Well, sure...but that ain't gonna happen.
Crazy is gonna crazy.
Powermad gonna keep eating their kids.
And stupid is as stupid does.
@Spartan303 has said some parts of the GOP are hiring election police to secure things, which seems like it's...the bare minimum that should have already been SOP, and beyond that, I haven't seen anything from the Right that actually sounds like it has any idea how to secure the ballot box in an effective manner.
Because we won't be able to get rid of the electronic voting machines, as there is too much money involved, plus political connections to DC in things like Dominion.
So do not count on a Red Wave, and if one does happen, do not count on all of them getting to go to DC until after the Dems cry foul and demand an audit or rejection of every race they lose.
The public trust in our election systems and civil institutions is only getting worse, not better, and the Desm feel they have enough power that they can do whatever they want politically without truly fearing consequences for it.
Terthna
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Part of that is because the establishment Republicans don't actually want to secure the ballot box; that would screw things up for their Democrat comrades. They just want to pretend to do so, so that the average citizen will stop paying attention. Progress is only being made thanks to the small, but growing, minority who aren't interested in being controlled opposition for the establishment.
its a political realinment, Biden's one success looking back on things will be concentrating the establishment into the democratic party. Trump is the birth of the american populist movement this is going to be the idiological fighting ground for the rest of our lives. Its going to suck.
Not sure I agree with this since they are running SO FAR to the extreme. They're actually pushing some of their moderates AWAY. Cue Princess Leia and her speech to Tarkin on the Death Star...
This is probably true, and once it gets deep enough INTO the Republican Party...boy howdy.
The problem is, they were smart enough to try biowarfare, instead of outright destruction; they looked at the krogan genophage and Rainbow Six and went "Maybe they are onto something." and got away with it because of media control and political corruption allowing a stolen election due to hate for Trump.
I mean back when I still had my blinders on, I believed that they're might be justification for it, due to 'exponential reproduction' fears mixed with overblown environmental issues.
However, a growing pop needs 4 kids to family, not the replacement 2.1, in case something happens to one or two and they don't reproduce themselves. We are gunning to start running out of people once the younger gens hit their 50s, and those of us in our 30s are likely going to be looking at a 'Children of Men' mixed with 1984 type world at the end of our lives, if things don't seriously change course, or get worse in a different fashion.
Yep; if we are lucky, the populist movement will be as strong as the pre-Bush JR GOP was, and America that strong again.
Conservatism is a dead end in modern politics. It offers no new answers to new, out-of-context black swan events/problems, and nothing that the Left doesn't really have a counter for already.
But melding conservatism with populism and libertarianism might create something that can fight toe-to-toe with the Far-Left, if the egos of those in charge of the movements, and the corrupt powers in DC, do not get in the way.
However, it will mean the tradcons will need to give up on trying to get the drivers seat. They've clearly lost the ablility to drive the political vehicle the rest of us are stuck in; it's time to pull grandpa's license.
Xi Jinping would literally turn into Winnie the Pooh before that happens
I worked in the recent Ontario election and I was in charge of a ballot machine.
The machines are the ones by Dominion voting, same ones used in USA.
Difference is that Voter ID is mandatory and that the ballot machines were not hooked up to the internet or any sort of whatnot.
After using the machine, I believe the steal occurred after the ballots had been tallied and the poll workers (all of which were commiecrat agents or bribed, cockless cunts) frantically phoned in Commiecrat HQ and told them about the situation.
Then, they fed in a bunch of fake ballots (it's a secret vote so there's no info on the ballots themselves) and got the fake numbers
that's why there was a 3 hour pause in the live results (which were a bad idea in itself, too many opportunities) as the traitors scrambled to commit treason
This is funny to me because Conservatism is Libertarian.
We've historically failed at outreach. That's our bad, but it's changing. Not necessarily b/c we've (Conservatives) done anything, but b/c the Left has also pissed off many of it's own members.
You aren't a tradcon or RINO though, from what I've seen.
Looking at the Right as somebody not born to it and steeped in it's internal propaganda, there is a big difference between Libertarians and 'traditional conservatives'; Libertarians do not feel the need to rely on any religious appeals or 'this is what Reagan thought' talking points.
And yes, the conservatives have failed at outreach, because conservatism is innately reactive, not proactive, in it's politics and political platforms. It never tries to innovate, or being on the leading edge of anything, or get ahead of problems instead of react to them, it just tries to reign in what it sees as the excesses of people who aren't conservative and react to changing social trends by often just trying to ignore the as 'unimportant till very important' (like with conservative politicians and Twitter, before Trump) or 'moral decay that must be stopped' (conservatives and same sex marriage, till SCOTUS ruled).
Frankly if it wasn't for an increasing number of Latinos, blacks, and Asians coming to the GOP, or at least not voting straight D anymore simply because the Dems have gone insane, the American Right and conservatism would have no future at all. The WASPy old shits who control the GOP are fossils of a different and dying era, who should be put out to pasture politically and told we don't need to see them at party conventions either.
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This is so fundamentally untrue that frankly I find it insulting and wish you'd go back to being a leftist because you'd do more good with your idiocy there.
Reagan and the later 1994 "Republican Revolution" were founded on being proactive, innovative, and on the leading edge of governmental reform. The Contract With America pushed by the 1994 Republican Party was full of ideas that had not been tried in government before and that saw massive success at reforming serious problems in government when they managed to get through. That many of these reforms were shot down in a narrowly GOP controlled Congress due to RINO defections or due to the Democratic President Bill Clinton isn't something you can hold against the Conservatives.
Let me make this abundantly clear to you: Conservative reforms have never really had success in getting passed, in large part due to establishment Rinos sabotaging the bills in the Senate. There have been constant efforts at Conservative reform in every Congress that has seen a Republican majority since 1994, with new ideas on how to handle things constantly put forward. These ideas are almost never reported on by the media due to their innate biases (or if they are they are demonized) and then they often are killed or rendered moot due to Rinos in the Senate going against the Conservatives specifically to preserve the establishment. You're new to paying attention to the non-mainstream media and hearing about these things, but the inability of getting any real reforms through the Congress due to Rinos was not a new thing during Trump, that has been the NORM for Conservative Republicans for the last 30 years and is why so many turned against the Establishment and TO TRUMP in the first place.
So spare me your winging about the Social Conservatives and the Traditional Conservatives not having any ideas. We HAVE ideas, we've been TRYING to implement them for decades but constantly were stymied by the very same people you hate... yet it's US who are the problem?
Get off your high horse and actually go learn some legislative and court history rather than the "bothsame" propaganda you seem to still think has been the norm.
The uniparty is doing everything it can to weaken the religious right, the social and paleoconservative movements and the actual growth of the American Right.
Including end running around democracy and weaponizing red flag laws.
They RINOs and neocucks are outright trying to tank the midterms out of spite.
Naahhh, the religious right had so much traction in the 80's and 90's that you guys launched a near successful editing of the First Amendment to preclude violent music and tv shows
Looking at it from South America our right...which had just got done overthrowing entire countries were looking at you guys in muted awe...The RR, the true conservative movement did whatever the fuck it wanted and even had moderate to slightly far left dems seal clapping along.
The problem was the RR did this incredibly dumb thing where they allowed the Bush and McCain families to gain the traction that they gained within the party. It was these guys and Gerald Ford Republicans like McConnell and his drug running CCP thot wife and her entire fucked up family of old school Coastal kingpins that sowed the seeds of party defeat.
Gotta remove those guys. Get your balls back, it'll be glorious to see again.
@S'task made a point in another thread that your opposition certainly don't remember the 90's the way I do..but I'd add most of you guys don't either.
You forgot when you guys were a patriotic wolf pack, claimed and took what you wanted and the country was better for it when you did..minus the American version of the video nasty nonsense. Though to be fair...Al Gore was also involved in that but fuck him.
strunkenwhite
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As I said, I don't plan to be in the business of trying to predict whether candidates will win or lose in '24 when we haven't even seen the back of '22. Much depends on the national mood. The list I gave was meant as relatively vulnerable, not actually vulnerable: that is, I think it's more likely that Casey loses in PA than that Klobuchar loses in MN, and so on for all the D-held seats in states I did not list compared to the states I did list.